Mafia Town - GAME OVER (Town Wins)

[CrimsonFox]

vote ragone

[Autumn]

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Votes

8 required to put someone up for lynch.

Ragone 1 - CrimsonFox (151)

[Shoveler]

Perfect, thanks autumn

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Interesting... I did have night actions and I learned some items. I'll make sure they are in my will with EF. I think it may help us on future days.

Did I mention I love the use of wills!

Note to all: Make sure you utilize your will. I assume that evil could try to fabricate things but it should be possible to verify claims if the information included is accurate enough.

[britrock88]

Thumbs up, Autumn.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Thumbs up, Autumn.

Any news from last night on your side brit?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by timmae

Any news from last night on your side brit?

Nothing noteworthy.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

[cheekimonk]

Sorry, all. I've been tied up in work all morning and will be for a few more hours at least. Trying to read and catch up.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by timmae

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

Today is day 2/night 2. There was no day 1.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Today is day 2/night 2. There was no day 1.

Thanks boss.... where's that BMS time machine?

[timmae]

Hey jackal... what's up bro? Whatcha thinking so far?

[timmae]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

vote ragone

Meta?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by timmae

Also remember that the Jailor can start executing on Night 2. I guess tonight will be night 1, right?

That's right.

So is Autumn still in jail? Do we get some sort of notice of him staying or leaving?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by timmae

Meta?

I think it's a summoning vote.

[Zinto]

I need to catch up but I am here!

[Ziiggy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Good result. We need all the help we can get with so much scum running around. Seems a stretch to think anybody had an inkling about who to protect at this point and that they could have guessed right, but that's what appears to have happened. Most of you have played together and some of us have no meta-history here, does it make sense that Autumn would be double targeted on night zero? Does she draw that kind of attention in fofc ww games? Not doubting the veracity of her claim, just thinking out loud as a successful protection the first night isn't a typical outcome (but I don't think this ruleset will be typical in any way). How does a jailing work? Do either the jailor or the jailed learn each other's identity when someone is locked up? Also, maybe I missed it, but do we know for sure that the mafia can attempt a night kill on night zero? Who else could have attacked besides mafia? Just the serial killer right?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

Hey jackal... what's up bro? Whatcha thinking so far?

I'm not familiar with this ruleset nor have I played it before, so I'm going to have to keep re-reading the rules. Seems like we've got some hesitancy to nominate people going on here, or maybe it's just inactivity? I'll check in as I can, the other two managers on my team are out this whole week so I won't be as active as sometimes

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Ziiggy

does it make sense that Autumn would be double targeted on night zero? Does she draw that kind of attention in fofc ww games? Not doubting the veracity of her claim, just thinking out loud as a successful protection the first night isn't a typical outcome (but I don't think this ruleset will be typical in any way).

*he

And yes, it makes sense. Autumn is a respected vet so I could see the jailor wanting to protect and/or getting an early read if he put in a will. Autumn is also a very believable N1 kill target.

[The Jackal]

There are so many roles and possibilities in this game, good lord - should be fun.

I think we're just going to need to force some action to get reveals/night actions/etc. No one has said anything particularly questionable thus far so I'm probably leaning mostly random with my vote here.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by britrock88

I think it's a summoning vote.

CF... why ragone?

[timmae]

I am waiting for a few more individuals to show up before voting. Stay tuned..

[Chief Rum]

So we're approaching the nomination deadline (yes, I'm aware it's a moving target) and we're nowhere near an actual nom candidate. And it was suggested, I believe, that in these games, that does happen, and that several days can pass before we get enough information that people feel strongly enough to do the nomination. Is that correct?

And if so, is that the best strategy for us here? We always say here that we want a vote history, and this game doesn't really encourage heavy voting. Is there good reason to adjust our approach to this game, or do we start putting it on ourselves to vote regardless, and let the chips fall where they may?

[The Jackal]

Hm, what happens if we don't have someone meeting the nomination criteria by the deadline? Is there no lynch?

[The Jackal]

Bit of a double post there with CR, but it's something we should discuss. Vote history is always useful, but we do have a bunch of roles with night actions that are going to lead to claims as well.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Hm, what happens if we don't have someone meeting the nomination criteria by the deadline? Is there no lynch?

Correct

[The Jackal]

Bring on the bull mooses, I say

[timmae]

vote thejackal I think you know more than you are letting on. Evil would hide any information learned last night while good would come out and explain that you know some information but that it isn't privy to the discussion right now. That and wanting to extend the process is giving me some pings.

[Ziiggy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So we're approaching the nomination deadline (yes, I'm aware it's a moving target) and we're nowhere near an actual nom candidate. And it was suggested, I believe, that in these games, that does happen, and that several days can pass before we get enough information that people feel strongly enough to do the nomination. Is that correct?

And if so, is that the best strategy for us here? We always say here that we want a vote history, and this game doesn't really encourage heavy voting. Is there good reason to adjust our approach to this game, or do we start putting it on ourselves to vote regardless, and let the chips fall where they may?

Pretty sure it was at least day 4 before anybody was put up for lynch the time I played Salem. I think that makes sense given the ruleset, even with the time difference.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Votes

8 votes required to put someone up for lynch.

Ragone 1 - CrimsonFox (151)
The Jackal 1 - timmae (180)

[Autumn]

I had forgotten the earlier nomination timeline, got busy working. I don't have anyone in mind at the moment, so not ready to throw someone under the bus in teh next few minutes, but I'll look back quickly.

[EagleFan]

Rule clarification.

Figured I would address this hear as I was asked via PM but just in case others had the same question.

Unvoting is allowed in all stages to cancel your vote.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That's right.

So is Autumn still in jail? Do we get some sort of notice of him staying or leaving?

I'm not in jail, it's a night-only thing, but it means the jailer can choose to execute me tonight if he or she chooses. Apparently you guys don't get any notice of the event, so it's a bit of info we have to be wary of being used as misinformation. Take my claim with a grain of salt at this point.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Curious... (and I am quoting Autumn, but this is more directed to our unknown Jailer), but I am guessing here we are viewing the jailer's decision to target you as a good thing?

He won't have any reason on a N0 to think you're evil, so doing this probably means he was trying to protect you.

Of course, down the road, I am guessing the jailer will be less about protecting and more about catching and/or stopping the mafia.

I would view it as mostly neutral. I assume I just drew someone's eye for being mouthy and they wanted to learn more about me if possible. People just like to use their abilities.

[EagleFan]

Nomination Deadline

[EagleFan]

No one has been nominated for lynch.

The next deadline is 9 PM. The jailer must submit who will be jailed for the night by that deadline.

Players that want a note to give the jailer should they be jailed should submit them by that deadline.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by timmae

vote thejackal I think you know more than you are letting on. Evil would hide any information learned last night while good would come out and explain that you know some information but that it isn't privy to the discussion right now. That and wanting to extend the process is giving me some pings.

I have information from last night but it's irrelevant at this point, will be happy to share if it becomes relevant

[lighthousekeeper]

how does the janitor know that a person is dying? how does he have enough time to help beofre the person dies?

[The Jackal]

Also, I'm definitely not advocating extending the process. I figured we didn't have nearly enough traction to lynch someone today, but as you know if you've played with me I'm a big believer in vote history so to stumble along without it for too long just means we'll be doing random things. What I do think is that with all the prevention/action roles at night, we're going to get candidates filtered that way moreso than votes. But if we're down to a few in the end, votes will always be good to look at.

[The Jackal]

But also, votes will pressure people to reveal. I'll definitely be voting tomorrow.

[Zinto]

What are the pros and cons of not voting someone out each day? I am not sure I get why we wouldn't have a vote go through everyday.

[CrimsonFox]

i'm never a fan of NOT voting someone out. That just gives control to other teams. And you learn nothing except night kill stuff.

the threeway thing does make this interesting but it's just as important to vote for people. plus the person majed will not necessarily die. we also learn from the guilty/innocent votes like in resistance/avalon

[CrimsonFox]

speak your wisdom, great jackal

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

i'm never a fan of NOT voting someone out. That just gives control to other teams. And you learn nothing except night kill stuff.

the threeway thing does make this interesting but it's just as important to vote for people. plus the person majed will not necessarily die. we also learn from the guilty/innocent votes like in resistance/avalon

True. We should have healthy discussions and nominate someone everyday. We don't have to lynch. But even lynches would give the group more information to narrow down the wide, wide realm of possibilities that exists at this point.

[timmae]

This may be taboo in this version of social deduction games but it had been too damn quiet. To hell with it...

I want to know why jackal, Brit and tdfs visited autumn in jail last night. My guess is there were some nefarious activities in mind. I see no reason not to start lynching into that group since it is the only solid evidence we have so far.

Discuss.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I can explain the lack of a kill in a way that I think only helps us. I was jailed last night, and I was also told that I was attacked but survived because I was in jail. it pays to be the mouthiest one in the village, as everyone just jotted me down as a target.

Of this is accurate then jackal, Brit or tdfs attacked autumn.

[timmae]

'if' not 'of'... Darn smartphone.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by Zinto

What are the pros and cons of not voting someone out each day? I am not sure I get why we wouldn't have a vote go through everyday.

I am not a fan of no lynches. The village gets zero info and evil gets an extra night of night actions.