Werewolf LX - Dog Soldiers (Game over, wolves win) - Page 4

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Well good, then I don't have to try to be leniant and less likely to vote for you on day 1s anymore then. Glad you cleared that up for me!

I guess I always assumed that unless you have some devious underhanded reason for it, you don't kill a new person on day 1, you don't kill someone after they leave on day 1 and you give people a chance to defend themselves on day 1.

Later in the game, more has been established, and its all fair game, but on day 1, I just assumed everyone would follow the same "gentleman" rules so to speak.

I guess thats not the case. So be it

If you have had good reason to vote for me and did not because I wasn't going to be around, that's foolish of you. If you have several equally good candidates and vote for me, knowing I won't be around, that's a bit worse.

Generally, I abide by what you put there, except I would state the "after they leave on day 1" rule to only apply to someone who didn't spend much of the day here already. Such as people like myself who leave early, early in the morning and often can't post within 20 hours of deadline.

If people have good reason to vote for you, why should they not be allowed to vote for you?

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I think people would find it pretty unsporting to see someone lying about Real life stuff just because of a game. I am pretty sure most people don't do that. When Chief says he will be working, we assume he isn't just sitting at home refreshing this page laughing at us all.

Yeah I think that lying about RL stuff would be supabad and I just count on people not doing it. It is right up there, to me, with not PM'ing someone except as allowed, and only playing as 1 person.

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 08:49 PM

Chief: I think Alan's agreeing with you to some extent which is why he's critical of PB, but not schmidty or render for the vote.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I assume you know what i meant and are being overly difficult for dramatic effect.

No, actually, I legitimately wonder what you were getting at? How does anyone know they're doing that unless the seer outright reveals and they still come at them hard without good reason?

No one but the seer knows he is the seer at the start of the game.

Passacaglia · 11-13-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yeah I think that lying about RL stuff would be supabad and I just count on people not doing it. It is right up there, to me, with not PM'ing someone except as allowed, and only playing as 1 person.

not Pm'ing someone, eh?

hahahahhahahahaha

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If you have had good reason to vote for me and did not because I wasn't going to be around, that's foolish of you. If you have several equally good candidates and vote for me, knowing I won't be around, that's a bit worse.

Generally, I abide by what you put there, except I would state the "after they leave on day 1" rule to only apply to someone who didn't spend much of the day here already. Such as people like myself who leave early, early in the morning and often can't post within 20 hours of deadline.

If people have good reason to vote for you, why should they not be allowed to vote for you?

You either are purposely misconstruing my point or just missing it completely.

I never said people shouldn't vote for me. I said that all of the people who voted for me were around in the thread during the day while I was here and not a single one of them voted for me or even mentioned my vote as "suspicious" or in any other detail.. yet only after I left did they find it suspicious? Nothing changed in the 5 hours after I posted my vote and they posted their votes for me.. They should have brought it up earlier and not waited till after I left (as I had previously said I would)

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Chief: I think Alan's agreeing with you to some extent which is why he's critical of PB, but not schmidty or render for the vote.

He has a funny way of "agreeing" with me.

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

No, actually, I legitimately wonder what you were getting at? How does anyone know they're doing that unless the seer outright reveals and they still come at them hard without good reason?

No one but the seer knows he is the seer at the start of the game.

The wolves know who each other are, the villagers do not. Why would you want to randomly take a whack at someone who you know won't be there to defend themselves on day 1 in case they have some role that needs defense? You could take out a seer or bodyguard or something that could otherwise role reveal to save themselves.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Chief: I think Alan's agreeing with you to some extent which is why he's critical of PB, but not schmidty or render for the vote.

Render had plenty of time to vote for me and was around most of the afternoon. I didn't see Schmidty around after the game restart before I left.

st.cronin · 11-13-2007, 08:53 PM

This is what I have, with a bit more than five minutes to deadline:

PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88)
path12 - 3 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149)
Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90)
Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80)
Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84)
Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94)

Let me know if I have made an error, please.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

You either are purposely misconstruing my point or just missing it completely.

I never said people shouldn't vote for me. I said that all of the people who voted for me were around in the thread during the day while I was here and not a single one of them voted for me or even mentioned my vote as "suspicious" or in any other detail.. yet only after I left did they find it suspicious? Nothing changed in the 5 hours after I posted my vote and they posted their votes for me.. They should have brought it up earlier and not waited till after I left (as I had previously said I would)

Actually, you have been suggesting that very thing. That people not vote for you because you were going to be away.

I see your point, though, about it being more suspicious to lay that vote down after you leave, stating you would not be back for some time. I still think you came on way too strong, though, and now we have an outed BG.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The wolves know who each other are, the villagers do not. Why would you want to randomly take a whack at someone who you know won't be there to defend themselves on day 1 in case they have some role that needs defense? You could take out a seer or bodyguard or something that could otherwise role reveal to save themselves.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.

Same point though, why take a whack at someone when you aren't around to hear their defense? That makes about as much sense. Wouldn't no lynch have made more sense? If forced to reveal and you aren't there, what good does that do?

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Actually, you have been suggesting that very thing. That people not vote for you because you were going to be away.

I see your point, though, about it being more suspicious to lay that vote down after you leave, stating you would not be back for some time. I still think you came on way too strong, though, and now we have an outed BG.

Show me where I suggested that once. I said it was very suspicious that they waited until after I left to blindside me. I never once said they shouldn't vote me at all. . I said many many times that my issue was them waiting until I left.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

The wolves know who each other are, the villagers do not. Why would you want to randomly take a whack at someone who you know won't be there to defend themselves on day 1 in case they have some role that needs defense? You could take out a seer or bodyguard or something that could otherwise role reveal to save themselves.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this.

You have to vote for someone, Alan. There are no guarantees that any one player will be around to see a vote against them.

If the reason is good enough, I don't see a problem with voting for someone, even after they say they will be gone. The quality of the reason, though, is subjective.

No one should get an automatic free pass on any day in WW unless they are absolutely proven.

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Same point though, why take a whack at someone when you aren't around to hear their defense? That makes about as much sense. Wouldn't no lynch have made more sense? If forced to reveal and you aren't there, what good does that do?

I agree fully. Glad you see my side of this. That is why I placed my vote a good 4 - 5 hours before I left to see any response or defense.. to which there was none, zero, zilch..

I purposely voted early just for that reason, I wanted time to hear any response before I left. Glad you finally see my side of the story and I expect you will vote yourself now for such a horrible offense!

path12 · 11-13-2007, 08:57 PM

Don't have time to catch up. Do I need to move my vote for any reason?

path12 · 11-13-2007, 08:58 PM

Nice. Whassup, BK and Pass?

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 08:59 PM

Alan, did you miss when I asked the logic on voting me based on the previous game? What other defense is there that early?!?! There was no logic to that.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 08:59 PM

That was asked before you left btw but I won't patronize you by time-stamping it. I really hope you are BG since I moved my vote because I will be kicking myself for many games if not.

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Nice. Whassup, BK and Pass?

Sorry. I think Alan and PB are both villagers and you were the only other person around.

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Alan, did you miss when I asked the logic on voting me based on the previous game? What other defense is there that early?!?! There was no logic to that.

I actually have things against people with P names. After you, I am coming after Path and Passacaglia.

path12 · 11-13-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Sorry. I think Alan and PB are both villagers and you were the only other person around.

Cool. Real bad call though.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Show me where I suggested that once. I said it was very suspicious that they waited until after I left to blindside me. I never once said they shouldn't vote me at all. . I said many many times that my issue was them waiting until I left.

So your sarcastic posts about the "gentlemanly" way to play Day One WW were disingenuine then? You actually believe that people who say they will be gone for the day should get voted for, that new people should be killed on Day One and that people who can't defend themselves should be voted for?

st.cronin · 11-13-2007, 09:01 PM

deadline

st.cronin · 11-13-2007, 09:02 PM

So, this is what I still have:

PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88)
path12 - 3 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149)
Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90)
Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80)
Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84)
Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94)

You all have a few more seconds to correct me, then it becomes final.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I actually have things against people with P names. After you, I am coming after Path and Passacaglia.

Hehe, now that's a reasoning I'll take! Alan, I stand by the fact that I believe (despite the one post that I had issue with) that you are a villager and more than likely your reveal is true but I am too. I understand that you'll be going after me all day tomorrow if I make it through this vote and the night so I guess more fun tomorrow, yay.

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 09:03 PM

Didn't PB vote for path?

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

So, this is what I still have:

PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88)
path12 - 3 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149)
Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90)
Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80)
Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84)
Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94)

You all have a few more seconds to correct me, then it becomes final.

I voted Path unless I forgot to bold it (which I understand)

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 09:04 PM

In post 131 PB voted for path. That's why I voted for him, since it gave him a second vote.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:04 PM

Post 131 is my vote for Path12

st.cronin · 11-13-2007, 09:06 PM

path12 - 4 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149), PurdueBrad (131)
PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88)
Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90)
Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80)
Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84)
Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94)

Ok, my apologies, this is what I have then. Give me a few minutes and I'll have results.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:08 PM

Don't suppose there is any chance path is a wolf, is there?

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

So your sarcastic posts about the "gentlemanly" way to play Day One WW were disingenuine then? You actually believe that people who say they will be gone for the day should get voted for, that new people should be killed on Day One and that people who can't defend themselves should be voted for?

Now I know you are being difficult on purpose.

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I guess I always assumed that unless you have some devious underhanded reason for it, you don't kill a new person on day 1, you don't kill someone after they leave on day 1 and you give people a chance to defend themselves on day 1.

Once again, my only beef is that it all happened after I left while they sat around all day with the opportunity to do so. If they wanted to vote me before I left, then hey its part of the game, and I've said that I have no problems with people day 1 voting me in the past many times.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:09 PM

I'm hoping since if he's not, I'm likely the next one to go.

Alan T · 11-13-2007, 09:10 PM

Now I guess the wolves get to wonder if I protected myself or someone else.

path12 · 11-13-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Don't suppose there is any chance path is a wolf, is there?

Nope. I'm the duke. As we'll soon see.

st.cronin · 11-13-2007, 09:11 PM

Path12 CHANGES THE VOTE!

Today's lynch victim is Barkeep49.

Barkeep49 is a wolf!

Pms going out, day 2 will begin in a few minutes.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:11 PM

Christ, two reveals...

path12 · 11-13-2007, 09:11 PM

Hmm. How 'bout that?

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Now I know you are being difficult on purpose.

Once again, my only beef is that it all happened after I left while they sat around all day with the opportunity to do so. If they wanted to vote me before I left, then hey its part of the game, and I've said that I have no problems with people day 1 voting me in the past many times.

And MY beef is that you came out so strong, you attracted even more attention to yourself and got yourself outed. So I guess we both have our beefs to spit.

st.cronin · 11-13-2007, 09:12 PM

Alan T has been killed by wolves - he was the bodyguard.

Day 2 has begun - deadline Wednesday 9:00pm Eastern.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:12 PM

Nice job Path12! I think between this and the game were AE duked off of Hoops are the only two times I've seen a duke nail a wolf. WTG.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Path12 CHANGES THE VOTE!

Today's lynch victim is Barkeep49.

Barkeep49 is a wolf!

Pms going out, day 2 will begin in a few minutes.

Wow, way to go path. And I voted for a wolf. Well, then, two of us are right, at least.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan T has been killed by wolves - he was the bodyguard.

Day 2 has begun - deadline Wednesday 9:00pm Eastern.

I guess Alan didn't protect himself. I probably wouldn't have either if I were in his shoes. Hard to make a right call; just ends up being 50-50.

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan T has been killed by wolves - he was the bodyguard.

Day 2 has begun - deadline Wednesday 9:00pm Eastern.

Ha! At least I called that one right!

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:17 PM

A shame. Barkeep voted for path. If he had voted somewhere else, we might have had another data point toward building an early COT, which is even more important now that we have lost the BG (and the duke, technically).

Barkeep49 · 11-13-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Wow, way to go path. And I voted for a wolf. Well, then, two of us are right, at least.

I was amazed that you were the only who did that after my initial goof.

PurdueBrad · 11-13-2007, 09:17 PM

This was a pretty high cost day but we got a wolf, which has been rare on day one. Path is obviously our one COT and Chief Rum is probably second so I'll be following your leads. Nice job gentlemen.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ha! At least I called that one right!

lol...I was about to say, "Well, duuuh, he came out and said it", when I realized you meant the 50-50 shot, not that he was the BG.

Okay, now get out of here, wolfy.

And speaking of wolfy, look, not trying to throw a mess into all this, but the rules state that the wolf lover has duke powers. It's not out of the realm of possibility that path is the wolf lover.

I strongly lean toward giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's important we don't forget that.

Chief Rum · 11-13-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I was amazed that you were the only who did that after my initial goof.

Well, it was technically a meta-game reason and I only coulda gotten away with it on Day One. I'm not surprised people with more scruples than me didn't choose to follow me on to you.

11-13-2007, 08:53 PM	#160
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	This is what I have, with a bit more than five minutes to deadline: PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88) path12 - 3 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149) Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90) Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80) Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84) Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94) Let me know if I have made an error, please. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-13-2007, 08:57 PM	#166
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Don't have time to catch up. Do I need to move my vote for any reason? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

11-13-2007, 08:58 PM	#167
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Nice. Whassup, BK and Pass? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

11-13-2007, 09:01 PM	#174
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	deadline __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-13-2007, 09:02 PM	#175
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	So, this is what I still have: PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88) path12 - 3 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149) Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90) Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80) Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84) Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94) You all have a few more seconds to correct me, then it becomes final. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-13-2007, 08:49 PM	#153
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Chief: I think Alan's agreeing with you to some extent which is why he's critical of PB, but not schmidty or render for the vote.

11-13-2007, 08:59 PM	#168
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Alan, did you miss when I asked the logic on voting me based on the previous game? What other defense is there that early?!?! There was no logic to that.

11-13-2007, 08:59 PM	#169
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	That was asked before you left btw but I won't patronize you by time-stamping it. I really hope you are BG since I moved my vote because I will be kicking myself for many games if not.

11-13-2007, 09:03 PM	#177
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Didn't PB vote for path?

11-13-2007, 09:04 PM	#179
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	In post 131 PB voted for path. That's why I voted for him, since it gave him a second vote.

11-13-2007, 09:04 PM	#180
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Post 131 is my vote for Path12

11-13-2007, 09:06 PM	#181
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	path12 - 4 - jeheinz72 (74), Passacaglia (147), Barkeep49 (149), PurdueBrad (131) PurdueBrad - 3 - AlanT (44), ntndeacon (72), path12 (88) Alan T - 2 - Schmidty (76), RendeR (90) Schmidty - 1 - Anxiety (80) Chief Rum - 1 - Thomkal (84) Barkeep49 - 1 - Chief Rum (94) Ok, my apologies, this is what I have then. Give me a few minutes and I'll have results. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-13-2007, 09:08 PM	#182
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Don't suppose there is any chance path is a wolf, is there? __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-13-2007, 09:09 PM	#184
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'm hoping since if he's not, I'm likely the next one to go.

11-13-2007, 09:10 PM	#185
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Now I guess the wolves get to wonder if I protected myself or someone else.

11-13-2007, 09:11 PM	#187
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Path12 CHANGES THE VOTE! Today's lynch victim is Barkeep49. Barkeep49 is a wolf! Pms going out, day 2 will begin in a few minutes. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

11-13-2007, 09:11 PM	#188
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Christ, two reveals...

11-13-2007, 09:11 PM	#189
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Hmm. How 'bout that? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

11-13-2007, 09:12 PM	#191
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Alan T has been killed by wolves - he was the bodyguard. Day 2 has begun - deadline Wednesday 9:00pm Eastern. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out Last edited by st.cronin : 11-13-2007 at 09:13 PM.

11-13-2007, 09:12 PM	#192
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Nice job Path12! I think between this and the game were AE duked off of Hoops are the only two times I've seen a duke nail a wolf. WTG.

11-13-2007, 09:17 PM	#196
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	A shame. Barkeep voted for path. If he had voted somewhere else, we might have had another data point toward building an early COT, which is even more important now that we have lost the BG (and the duke, technically). __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

11-13-2007, 09:17 PM	#198
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	This was a pretty high cost day but we got a wolf, which has been rare on day one. Path is obviously our one COT and Chief Rum is probably second so I'll be following your leads. Nice job gentlemen.

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