GAME OVER POST 733 - WW - The Jihad of Muad'dib - Page 4

The Jackal · 01-19-2011, 09:38 AM

Mahdi! My water in service to you!

The Jackal · 01-19-2011, 09:40 AM

My guess is that they had to choose who would attempt the night attack, and only one of them would possibly be successful in defeating CW. Fedaykin, you know what to do from now on. There must be other ways for our enemies to go about assaulting CW though, so let us focus on removing their water.

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 10:33 AM

All right, so I take it CW is Paul. As would be expected, a normal night kill can't take him out though of course there must be some way to remove him from the game. Very nice to not only not lose someone night 1, but to gain a cleared player.

My kid was up all night sick so I'll be resting and trying to catch up, but should be on in a bit.

Coffee Warlord · 01-19-2011, 10:55 AM

I will delve into things a little more later, but all Fremen take note. I am not only the Prophet of Shai Hulud, I am also the Duke of House Atreides, the rightful ruler of this planet. If I see the future you have chosen leading down poor paths, I will not hesitate to choose a different path for you.

(In plain English, one of my abilities is the duke role.)

saldana · 01-19-2011, 11:21 AM

just so everyone knows i am on it...i pinged schmidty in OT and sent him a PM..if i dont hear from him soon, i will try to get a replacement.

Coffee Warlord · 01-19-2011, 11:51 AM

By the by. I'm giving an early pass on (heh) Pass. There was plenty of time left, and forcing a tie there had the potential to see if anything fell from the trees...if there were any trees on Arakis. An off-worlder doing such a thing on the first night would be odd.

ntndeacon · 01-19-2011, 01:29 PM

Vote Autumn

This is not a vote claiming Autumn himself is an enemy of the Fremen but rather if he is opposing us it makes several members in the Sietch more suspicious.

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Vote Autumn

This is not a vote claiming Autumn himself is an enemy of the Fremen but rather if he is opposing us it makes several members in the Sietch more suspicious.

I can see your reasoning. I've done the same many times.

My kid not only didn't sleep all night, but is now throwing up, so my time on here is going to be sketchy at best. I don't have anything particularly to say in defense of myself. And I don't off the top of my head know who to vote, so I'm going to hope I get a chance to check in again later.

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

By the by. I'm giving an early pass on (heh) Pass. There was plenty of time left, and forcing a tie there had the potential to see if anything fell from the trees...if there were any trees on Arakis. An off-worlder doing such a thing on the first night would be odd.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there ten minutes left? I'm not sure I would call that plenty of time. Forcing a tie at that point usually leads to several people switching their votes at the last moment, the site clogging up since everybody's trying to post at once and in the end nobody knows what the vote is and everybody has a good excuse for their crazy ass vote. I'm not a fan of the move that close.

Darth Vilus · 01-19-2011, 03:20 PM

Well that was pretty sweet me thinks, no night kill and CW is clear! So we're in good shape :-) I'm heading out to work in a few and won't be back til after deadline (my work schedule always sucks for WW). I'll get my vote in there before i leave

PackerFanatic · 01-19-2011, 03:26 PM

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

Seems to me the best option at this point - his vote last night jumps out as me as the fishiest so far.

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

Seems to me the best option at this point - his vote last night jumps out as me as the fishiest so far.

Probably because I've been reading a lot of "Fish Kisses" to my son.

Darth Vilus · 01-19-2011, 03:30 PM

heading out now people

Vote Raider's Army

I think his switched vote yesterday might have been an attempt to hide behind a candidate later in the day. Honsetly I could be wrong though, I don't usually get reads on people til a few days in.

I'm out until after deadline

Coffee Warlord · 01-19-2011, 03:51 PM

I have delved into the future, and seen many possibilities. Some lines see good Fremen turning against their own, and serving the vile Harkonnen. One possible future sees Darth Vilius as a traitor among us. I say we take his water and close off that future.

We're getting spread out again, but I'm going to go this route: Choosing the person who added the second vote onto MartinD, pushing him directly into the forefront.

Vote Darth Vilius

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 04:36 PM

Well, I can't spend a great deal of time on this. Pass's vote seems odd to me on several levels, and he voted against me, so two great reasons for me to pick him. It's probably not the vote I would make if I had more time, but I'll make it now just in case I don't get back before deadline.

VOTE PASSACAGLIA

The Jackal · 01-19-2011, 04:41 PM

Between his hesitance early in the day and a potentially questionable late tying vote, I will turn to this one as well for now, though I see the merit in the other candidates as well.

VOTE PASS

Coffee Warlord · 01-19-2011, 05:30 PM

Think we're 3 on pass, 1 on autumn, 1 on dv, 1 on RA

Telle · 01-19-2011, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Think we're 3 on pass, 1 on autumn, 1 on dv, 1 on RA

That's what I have.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2011, 06:22 PM

I would go Darth V again, but I haven't had much luck on putting a second vote on someone and also being accused of being bad.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2011, 06:23 PM

Telle actually looks fishy to me. I'll put my vote on her for now.

VOTE TELLE

Chief Rum · 01-19-2011, 07:13 PM

I have to put in a vote before I leave for the day.

I'm uncertain on Pass's vote as well, but I see the merit in what CW (our only trusted player, to boot) is saying in giving him a pass for now (pun intended).

Plus, a vote on Pass turns this into a runaway, which doesn't help us.

Autumn hasn't done anything to really merit consideration, IMO, but other than maybe Pass, no else has either. So I am going to vote for Autumn on the same theory already thrown out, that at least if we lynch Autumn, we learn something (else) about the Day One vote.

VOTE AUTUMN

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:40 PM

I crashed early yesterday and just got home from work. I'll be around now through deadline.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:43 PM

It was about as good a night 1 as you can have without actually getting a wolf. We have a cleared player and only lost one vanilla villager.

Raiders Army · 01-19-2011, 07:43 PM

Won't guarantee that I will be back before the deadline. Good luck everyone.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:46 PM

Looks like

3 Pass
2 Autumn
1 Darth
1 Telle
1 Raiders Army

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:46 PM

Barring anything pinging me and all else being equal, I am highly unlikely to vote Autumn.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:51 PM

Day 1 Results

5 - MartinD - Autumn (62), Darth Vilus (86), Danny (110), Raiders Army (117), Packer Fanatic (123)
4 - Autumn - Coffee Warlord (58), MartinD (74), Telle (112), Passacaglia (120)
2 - Schmidty - The Jackal (59), Chief Rum (90)
1 - PackerFanatic - ntndeacon (45)
1 - Chief Rum - cougarfreak (91)

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:52 PM

Just looking there, the group of Autumn voters isn't a bad place to look. A lot of them depends upon Autumn being a wolf, but I think with him having suspicion and being a strong player, he would have made a good scan target as well.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:54 PM

Regarding the wolves, I'd say it's a toss up between there being three and four total wolves. I'd lean towards their being three, but all of them knowing each other and the not PMing wolf not being in the game.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:56 PM

Regarding Autumn, I tend to think he would have been hesitant to kill off and clear a second of his voters if he was a wolf. It also makes me think perhaps there is not a wolf on him, as limiting down his voters to only two uncleared players is risky if one of them is a wolf.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 07:58 PM

For example, I think if there was a wolf on Autumn or if Autumn was a wolf, I would have killed off a MartinD voter. This leads me to think there is at least one, perhaps two wolves on MartinD. I think I would prefer to vote there

Danny · 01-19-2011, 08:01 PM

And since Darth and Raiders Army each have a vote already, I will place a vote between the two.

Vote Darth Vilus

I am choosing him over Raiders because he was the 2nd vote.

cougarfreak · 01-19-2011, 08:06 PM

Vote Pass

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 08:07 PM

That makes some good sense, Danny, I always appreciate seeing your thoughts written out.

If there are only three wolves I think it will be difficult to narrow things down to find them, particularly if Schmidty were one of them (and didn't vote). Given how the voting went down, with so many candidates and Martin and I both villagers, I'm guessing the wolves would have voted early to mid and then just camped where they were. Somewhere in the range of The Jackal, Darth, and Chief. That's where I would have wanted to vote if I was a wolf.

Danny · 01-19-2011, 08:08 PM

Also, one thing to consider is that in this game, unlike the last several games we have had, there is a separate day and night deadline. This gives the wolves final vote information and time to consider who to kill.

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 08:26 PM

VOTE COUGARFREAK

Danny · 01-19-2011, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

VOTE COUGARFREAK

This vote seems out of no where?

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 08:28 PM

I think he's playing off of Cougar's vote, which was similarly structured and defended ;-)

Coffee Warlord · 01-19-2011, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think he's playing off of Cougar's vote, which was similarly structured and defended ;-)

My sentiments exactly. They have been driven mad by the spice.

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

This vote seems out of no where?

I wouldn't say that. It actually came from me.

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 08:34 PM

Now that my household has calmed down some and I can ponder it, I'm thinking of moving off of Pass. He's a better vote than some, but I would guess he's not a traitor. Looking over the votes I would probably go Jackal before anyone else, just based on vibe. But as I said above Jackal, Darth and Chief are both in my wolf zone in the vote yesterday. I may switch to Darth since I don't want to spread the vote any more here with a Jackal vote.

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think he's playing off of Cougar's vote, which was similarly structured and defended ;-)

It sorta was, but now I just saw his off-topic thread, and now I feel bad. No big, since I'll probably end up switching my vote anyway....TO YOU!!!

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It sorta was, but now I just saw his off-topic thread, and now I feel bad. No big, since I'll probably end up switching my vote anyway....TO YOU!!!

um ... great lol

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Now that my household has calmed down some and I can ponder it, I'm thinking of moving off of Pass. He's a better vote than some, but I would guess he's not a traitor. Looking over the votes I would probably go Jackal before anyone else, just based on vibe. But as I said above Jackal, Darth and Chief are both in my wolf zone in the vote yesterday. I may switch to Darth since I don't want to spread the vote any more here with a Jackal vote.

Whatchoo think of PF?

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Whatchoo think of PF?

Well, I left him off my list because I was going with the theory that on day one, with lots of suspects getting votes, and two villagers in the lead (as I am privy to know) that the wolves would just vote early and stay out of the limelight. If I was bad, yeah PF would look bad. But knowing that I'm good I can't see a wolf sticking their neck out there like that. Similarly RA took the effort to unvote and vote on one of the leaders - I don't see bothering to do that if you're a wolf, most likely.

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 08:47 PM

You, however, Pass, could have the same argument - except that if you got online fairly late you had a tough choice - you can't just leave your vote somewhere innocent. Anything you do late is going to draw attention. Tying it with 10 minutes though seems a bit over the top, but maybe you're a wolf hoping to see if we both get killed if it's a tie. Rather risky day one though, which is why I tend to think you're not our best guess.

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Well, I left him off my list because I was going with the theory that on day one, with lots of suspects getting votes, and two villagers in the lead (as I am privy to know) that the wolves would just vote early and stay out of the limelight. If I was bad, yeah PF would look bad. But knowing that I'm good I can't see a wolf sticking their neck out there like that. Similarly RA took the effort to unvote and vote on one of the leaders - I don't see bothering to do that if you're a wolf, most likely.

I can see that. My thoughts on PF definitely had you as his accomplice. Reading back through the thread, though, I'm not looking at you, and probably not looking at PF as a result. Maybe The Jackal? There's a post at the end of Day 1 by someone, let me see if I can find it.

And honestly, 10 minutes is a lot of time. Look how many posts were made just by me before the deadline.

Autumn · 01-19-2011, 09:07 PM

I'll be interested in what you find if it's on Jackal as he's the one who's pinged me most. I actually hate to start a run on someone new though if he's not going to be around tonight.

Passacaglia · 01-19-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I don't want to save anyone, I think it likely they are both vanilla.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Still think it likely that Autumn was also vanilla, but PF's late vote should be remembered, at least.

Here's the posts, it was The Jackal. The first post was before the deadline, the second one was after results. I don't know that Autumn is a vanilla villegar, but I'm definitely leaning that way. This makes me think this is a wolf move by The Jackal to push toward PF today, which ended up being unnecessary since with me and Autumn in the lead, no wolves are in danger.

UNVOTE COUGARFREAK
VOTE THE JACKAL

The Jackal · 01-19-2011, 09:18 PM

Spurious reasoning. I didn't want to vote for Martin because I didn't feel he was a wolf and he wasn't around to defend himself, and I felt similarly about Autumn on top of which voting for him would have made it a tie after what Pass/PF did.

01-19-2011, 03:20 PM	#160
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	Well that was pretty sweet me thinks, no night kill and CW is clear! So we're in good shape :-) I'm heading out to work in a few and won't be back til after deadline (my work schedule always sucks for WW). I'll get my vote in there before i leave __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

01-19-2011, 03:30 PM	#163
Darth Vilus College Benchwarmer Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: SoCal	heading out now people Vote Raider's Army I think his switched vote yesterday might have been an attempt to hide behind a candidate later in the day. Honsetly I could be wrong though, I don't usually get reads on people til a few days in. I'm out until after deadline __________________ "Two there should be; no more, no less. One to embody power, the other to crave it." ―Darth Bane "Tell me what you regard as your greatest strength, so I will know how best to undermine you; tell me of your greatest fear, so I will know which I must force you to face; tell me what you cherish most, so I will know what to take from you; and tell me what you crave, so that I might deny you…" ―Darth Plagueis the Wise

01-19-2011, 07:13 PM	#171
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I have to put in a vote before I leave for the day. I'm uncertain on Pass's vote as well, but I see the merit in what CW (our only trusted player, to boot) is saying in giving him a pass for now (pun intended). Plus, a vote on Pass turns this into a runaway, which doesn't help us. Autumn hasn't done anything to really merit consideration, IMO, but other than maybe Pass, no else has either. So I am going to vote for Autumn on the same theory already thrown out, that at least if we lynch Autumn, we learn something (else) about the Day One vote. VOTE AUTUMN __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

01-19-2011, 08:06 PM	#183
cougarfreak College Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Out of Grad School Hell :)	Vote Pass __________________ “I don’t like the Cubs,” Joey Votto said. “And I’m not going to pat anybody with a Cubs uniform on the back."

01-19-2011, 09:38 AM	#151
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Mahdi! My water in service to you!

01-19-2011, 09:40 AM	#152
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	My guess is that they had to choose who would attempt the night attack, and only one of them would possibly be successful in defeating CW. Fedaykin, you know what to do from now on. There must be other ways for our enemies to go about assaulting CW though, so let us focus on removing their water.

01-19-2011, 10:33 AM	#153
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	All right, so I take it CW is Paul. As would be expected, a normal night kill can't take him out though of course there must be some way to remove him from the game. Very nice to not only not lose someone night 1, but to gain a cleared player. My kid was up all night sick so I'll be resting and trying to catch up, but should be on in a bit.

01-19-2011, 10:55 AM	#154
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I will delve into things a little more later, but all Fremen take note. I am not only the Prophet of Shai Hulud, I am also the Duke of House Atreides, the rightful ruler of this planet. If I see the future you have chosen leading down poor paths, I will not hesitate to choose a different path for you. (In plain English, one of my abilities is the duke role.)

01-19-2011, 11:21 AM	#155
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	just so everyone knows i am on it...i pinged schmidty in OT and sent him a PM..if i dont hear from him soon, i will try to get a replacement.

01-19-2011, 11:51 AM	#156
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	By the by. I'm giving an early pass on (heh) Pass. There was plenty of time left, and forcing a tie there had the potential to see if anything fell from the trees...if there were any trees on Arakis. An off-worlder doing such a thing on the first night would be odd.

01-19-2011, 01:29 PM	#157
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Vote Autumn This is not a vote claiming Autumn himself is an enemy of the Fremen but rather if he is opposing us it makes several members in the Sietch more suspicious.

01-19-2011, 03:26 PM	#161
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	VOTE PASSACAGLIA Seems to me the best option at this point - his vote last night jumps out as me as the fishiest so far.

01-19-2011, 03:51 PM	#164
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	I have delved into the future, and seen many possibilities. Some lines see good Fremen turning against their own, and serving the vile Harkonnen. One possible future sees Darth Vilius as a traitor among us. I say we take his water and close off that future. We're getting spread out again, but I'm going to go this route: Choosing the person who added the second vote onto MartinD, pushing him directly into the forefront. Vote Darth Vilius

01-19-2011, 04:36 PM	#165
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, I can't spend a great deal of time on this. Pass's vote seems odd to me on several levels, and he voted against me, so two great reasons for me to pick him. It's probably not the vote I would make if I had more time, but I'll make it now just in case I don't get back before deadline. VOTE PASSACAGLIA

01-19-2011, 04:41 PM	#166
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Between his hesitance early in the day and a potentially questionable late tying vote, I will turn to this one as well for now, though I see the merit in the other candidates as well. VOTE PASS

01-19-2011, 05:30 PM	#167
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Think we're 3 on pass, 1 on autumn, 1 on dv, 1 on RA

01-19-2011, 06:22 PM	#169
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I would go Darth V again, but I haven't had much luck on putting a second vote on someone and also being accused of being bad.

01-19-2011, 06:23 PM	#170
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Telle actually looks fishy to me. I'll put my vote on her for now. VOTE TELLE

01-19-2011, 07:40 PM	#172
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I crashed early yesterday and just got home from work. I'll be around now through deadline.

01-19-2011, 07:43 PM	#173
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	It was about as good a night 1 as you can have without actually getting a wolf. We have a cleared player and only lost one vanilla villager.

01-19-2011, 07:43 PM	#174
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Won't guarantee that I will be back before the deadline. Good luck everyone.

01-19-2011, 07:46 PM	#175
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Looks like 3 Pass 2 Autumn 1 Darth 1 Telle 1 Raiders Army

01-19-2011, 07:46 PM	#176
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Barring anything pinging me and all else being equal, I am highly unlikely to vote Autumn.

01-19-2011, 07:51 PM	#177
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Day 1 Results 5 - MartinD - Autumn (62), Darth Vilus (86), Danny (110), Raiders Army (117), Packer Fanatic (123) 4 - Autumn - Coffee Warlord (58), MartinD (74), Telle (112), Passacaglia (120) 2 - Schmidty - The Jackal (59), Chief Rum (90) 1 - PackerFanatic - ntndeacon (45) 1 - Chief Rum - cougarfreak (91)

01-19-2011, 07:52 PM	#178
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Just looking there, the group of Autumn voters isn't a bad place to look. A lot of them depends upon Autumn being a wolf, but I think with him having suspicion and being a strong player, he would have made a good scan target as well.

01-19-2011, 07:54 PM	#179
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Regarding the wolves, I'd say it's a toss up between there being three and four total wolves. I'd lean towards their being three, but all of them knowing each other and the not PMing wolf not being in the game.

01-19-2011, 07:56 PM	#180
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Regarding Autumn, I tend to think he would have been hesitant to kill off and clear a second of his voters if he was a wolf. It also makes me think perhaps there is not a wolf on him, as limiting down his voters to only two uncleared players is risky if one of them is a wolf.

01-19-2011, 07:58 PM	#181
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	For example, I think if there was a wolf on Autumn or if Autumn was a wolf, I would have killed off a MartinD voter. This leads me to think there is at least one, perhaps two wolves on MartinD. I think I would prefer to vote there

01-19-2011, 08:01 PM	#182
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	And since Darth and Raiders Army each have a vote already, I will place a vote between the two. Vote Darth Vilus I am choosing him over Raiders because he was the 2nd vote.

01-19-2011, 08:07 PM	#184
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	That makes some good sense, Danny, I always appreciate seeing your thoughts written out. If there are only three wolves I think it will be difficult to narrow things down to find them, particularly if Schmidty were one of them (and didn't vote). Given how the voting went down, with so many candidates and Martin and I both villagers, I'm guessing the wolves would have voted early to mid and then just camped where they were. Somewhere in the range of The Jackal, Darth, and Chief. That's where I would have wanted to vote if I was a wolf.

01-19-2011, 08:08 PM	#185
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Also, one thing to consider is that in this game, unlike the last several games we have had, there is a separate day and night deadline. This gives the wolves final vote information and time to consider who to kill.

01-19-2011, 08:26 PM	#186
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	VOTE COUGARFREAK

01-19-2011, 08:28 PM	#188
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I think he's playing off of Cougar's vote, which was similarly structured and defended ;-)

01-19-2011, 08:34 PM	#191
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Now that my household has calmed down some and I can ponder it, I'm thinking of moving off of Pass. He's a better vote than some, but I would guess he's not a traitor. Looking over the votes I would probably go Jackal before anyone else, just based on vibe. But as I said above Jackal, Darth and Chief are both in my wolf zone in the vote yesterday. I may switch to Darth since I don't want to spread the vote any more here with a Jackal vote.