WW XCI: Office Space, the TPS Edition - GAME OVER - Insiders Win

[Lathum]

dola- If lerriuqs feels I was bullying him I apologize. The last thing I want to do is turn off new players.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- If lerriuqs feels I was bullying him I apologize. The last thing I want to do is turn off new players.

You won't scare me off...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Lathum

gimme a break, obviously our definition of bullying is very different.

YOu should know me well enough to know that when I get early votes day 1 I try and put a little preassure on the person/ peoples voting me.

What's your definition of bullying?

I know you well enough to know your style, sure. But lerruiqs might not, and he was the one I was asking anyway! :P

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

You won't scare me off...

thats good!

[Chief Rum]

Lathum was bullying, and he's allowed to defend himself in whatever way he sees fit. It did seem a bit over the top, even more than usual, though, for Lathum. I'll keep that in mind, under the category "outside of normal behavior" for Lathum.

Glad to see lerriuqs won't be shaken by a pronounced attack on his stance, although I will also note he quite willingly put out the first "second vote" (followed shortly by USFLTecmo). Here at FOFC WW, we don't always look so kindly on second votes on Day One, particularly without good reason. Fortunately for lerriuqs, we usually tend to give newbies a pass early on, too, so I guess if you have to make that play sometime, might as well be first game.

Anyone got a list of who hasn't checked in?

I will be in and out, as I am at work, and am not inclined to post much from here (here to work, after all). Improvement on the past, of course, when I couldn't even reach here from work. I plan to cast a late vote, to get more info, so don't expect a vote from me before late afternoon.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

. It did seem a bit over the top, even more than usual, though, for Lathum. I'll keep that in mind, under the category "outside of normal behavior" for Lathum.
.

is there such a thing as "normal Lathum behavior?"

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Lathum

actualy that is the second vote on Abe, I think

Ah, it is. I misread the previous vote tally post. I was so distracted by the awesomeness of the coversheet on the TPS report.

[Passacaglia]

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

VOTE ABE

Merely to narrow down our options than anything in particular.

I feel like Blade. I'm getting multiple voters Day One every game ever. WTF?

[Passacaglia]

Hi Narcizo! Stop lurking, and start playing (next game)!

[Abe Sargent]

Heya Narcizo!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Long time no see!

[MartinD]

Checking in - will vote in a wee while once I've had a chance to look through the thread.

[MartinD]

VOTE CARTMAN

No real reason - it's day 1, so no information to work with. I went with a random someone who hadn't already received a vote...

[The Jackal]

Well, I'll just go ahead and vote for the person that voted me. Few people with 2+ votes now, right?

VOTE HOOPS

[claphamsa]

Wow, the one day im not an aggressive asshole day one... and im getting voters

[cartman]

No reason to vote for me, I'm a simple cube dweller.

Going to add another name to the pile

VOTE LERRIUQS

[Autumn]

I'll make clear that I think what I will do is hold on until later this evening. If no one has drawn any clear suspicion I'll probably vote someone who hasn't shown up yet. I hate to randomly lynch someone who's actually been here playing, so that seems fairest to me.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

VOTE CLAPHAMSA

any reason?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

any reason?

I think something is up in the voting between you, Lathum, and lerruiqs. Not sure what yet, but I want to see what if anything happens there.

[Schmidty]

I'M HERE!!!

[Schmidty]

Vote Poli

Because I have to.

[claphamsa]

ok, so we have 15 people with one vote on them.... we need some consolidation of some kind!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

ok, so we have 15 people with one vote on them.... we need some consolidation of some kind!

15, really? I know there's been a lot, but that can't be right.

[claphamsa]

I didnt count..... thers been WAAAAY too many people voted.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

is there such a thing as "normal Lathum behavior?"

I'd say the way you defended yourself was WAY over the top considering the situation. Day one, really not in any danger at the moment. You were over the top given the situation. That is something for the rest of us office workers to keep in mind.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I'd say the way you defended yourself was WAY over the top considering the situation. Day one, really not in any danger at the moment. You were over the top given the situation. That is something for the rest of us office workers to keep in mind.

I don't really think I was over the top, I was genuinly curious about his voting me.

I am a firm believer day 1 discussion is good. I could just as easily sit idley by but there is no fun in that.

[dubb93]

Current vote count:

Abe 2: (Barkeep, USFLTecmo)
Claphamsa 2: (Lathum, Pass)
Hoopsguy 2: (PurdueBrad, TheJackal)
Lathum 1: (Claphamsa)
The Jackal 1: (Hoops)
Barkeep 1: (Abe)
Autumn 1: (Lerriugs)
Cartman 1: (MartinD)
Lerriugs 1: (Cartman)
Poli 1: (Schmidty)

Unvotes: Lathum unvoted Pass, Lerriugs unvoted Lathum

[dubb93]

I'm going for a smoke to think about my vote. Should have a vote when I get back.

[claphamsa]

Dont burn down the building!

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Current vote count:

Abe 2: (Barkeep, USFLTecmo)
Claphamsa 2: (Lathum, Pass)
Hoopsguy 2: (PurdueBrad, TheJackal)
Lathum 1: (Claphamsa)
The Jackal 1: (Hoops)
Barkeep 1: (Abe)
Autumn 1: (Lerriugs)
Cartman 1: (MartinD)
Lerriugs 1: (Cartman)
Poli 1: (Schmidty)

Unvotes: Lathum unvoted Pass, Lerriugs unvoted Lathum

Umm, this vote spread is really bad for us. We really need to narrow this down if we are to learn anything from today's voting.

I'd prefer not to lynch someone who is in their first game on day 1, and I'd also prefer not to lynch Hoops day one since he is a extremely helpful villager and a will probably end up scanned anyway in case he is a wolf. So that puts it between Clap and Abe.

Vote Claphamsa

This vote is subject to change, and there's really no reason for this vote over Abe.

[Lathum]

Clap 2 Lathum ( 114), Passacaglia (158)
Hoops 2 PerdueBrad ( 115) Jackal (165)
Abe 2 BK (110), USFLTechmo ( 139)
Lathum 1 Clap ( 107)
Jackal 1 Hoops (109)
BK 1 Abe (122)
Autumn 1 lerriuqs ( 136)
Cartman 1 MartinD ( 164)
Lerriuqs 1 Cartman( 167)
Poli 1 Schmidty ( 172)


OK, vote count with who voted where.

A couple of things stick out for me. The first is Schmidty, Cartman and Martin introducing new candidates. I am a big fan of narrowing things down day 1. In the last 3 votes they bought in 3 more people. That really hurts our analysis down the road. The one that really stinks to me is Cartmans vote. Martin votes Cartman, then instead of voting back on MartinD, Cartman chooses to vote Lerriuqs. Either way a new candidate is being introduced, so why the vote for Martin?

Also, I know Schmidty is going to say he has a standing day 1 vote for Poli, IMO that doesn't buy him anything since he did the same thing last game and was a wolf.

[Lathum]

dola- that above doesn't include Danny's vote on Clap

[dubb93]

Vote Cartman

I agree with Lathum that Cartman's vote was odd.

[dubb93]

dola - Cartman's vote strikes me as trying to bury his vote and not draw any attention. Which as it goes is exactly what the vote ended up doing.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Which as it goes is exactly what the vote ended up doing.

Which as it goes is exactly the opposite of what the vote ended up doing.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Which as it goes is exactly the opposite of what the vote ended up doing.

huh

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Danny

huh

is there still a typo in there?

[cartman]

remember, I don't do these often, so there is no well developed strategy on my part. I was just trying to get another vote out there on on someone that didn't have a vote yet.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Also, I know Schmidty is going to say he has a standing day 1 vote for Poli, IMO that doesn't buy him anything since he did the same thing last game and was a wolf.

I do it every game, and I'm not stopping now, unless you can give me a good reason and a good target.

[cartman]

Dola,

So in my view, it wouldn't have mattered voting back at Martin, or voting for lerriuqs. Both would have had one vote.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by dubb93

is there still a typo in there?

It's ok, it just sounded fine when I read the original and then you changed it. I guess I read how it was supposed to read instead of what you actually typed.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cartman

remember, I don't do these often, so there is no well developed strategy on my part. I was just trying to get another vote out there on on someone that didn't have a vote yet.

and thats what makes it look so bad.

Day 1 the only people who have any information to vote with are wolves. The rest of us are flying blind.

There are about 8 people with votes on them right now, by introducing another one it muddies the waters further, making it harder to analyze later on.

Plus by you introducing a new candidate you are avoiding scrutiny. Odds are Martin won't be lynched so you face no questions tomorrow, in essence you are burying your vote as opposed to putting a vote on someone who already has a few votes.

I'm not going to vote for you today because I know you don't play ofter, but if it was someone who plays more they would be getting my vote.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

I do it every game, and I'm not stopping now, unless you can give me a good reason and a good target.

I understand that, but IMO that's going to open you up to scrutiny in my mind. Especialy since you were a wolf last game.

[hoopsguy]

OK, have a little time (probably about an hour) to play this afternoon after all. I'm willing to move my vote from Jackal if there is a good reason to either vote for someone or save someone.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cartman

Dola,

So in my view, it wouldn't have mattered voting back at Martin, or voting for lerriuqs. Both would have had one vote.

Right, so why not vote back at the guy who voted for you?

I know it isn't much but it looks to me like you are trying to bury your vote and disconnect yourself from Martin.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I understand that, but IMO that's going to open you up to scrutiny in my mind. Especialy since you were a wolf last game.

Actually, I've been a wolf the past two teams.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Actually, I've been a wolf the past two teams.

games, not teams

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Right, so why not vote back at the guy who voted for you?

I know it isn't much but it looks to me like you are trying to bury your vote and disconnect yourself from Martin.

To what end? Do you really think that a pair of (relative) newbie "wolves" would be casting D1 votes on each other, trying to avoid linkage, etc? For the most part, I would expect most new wolves to completely avoid each other on Day 1. No voting each other, no mentioning each other in thread, no responding to each other, etc.

I do not think that I'll be voting for Cartman today. And I'll accept whatever linkage that may or may not suggest. Bottom line, I do not think that this is your best argument.

[dubb93]

I have a RL company meeting at 5. I should make it back by the deadline but there are no guarantees. Its a little over a half hour drive from where I live so I am out for a while.