NCAA Infractions Committee Report on USC - Ghosts of infractions past haunt SC - Page 4

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 01:43 AM

According to Fox News, Kiffin is meeting with the players in the morning to explain the penalties.

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

According to Fox News, Kiffin is meeting with the players in the morning to explain the penalties.

Are you sure the players won't be explaining the penalties to him?

Poli · 06-10-2010, 05:47 AM

Fair point.

Ksyrup · 06-10-2010, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

The only time it's ever had any teeth, it's been fought tooth and nail but still seems to be sticking, at the moment. And that's when Bowden was forced to vacate FSU wins that probably cost him the career coaching wins record.

SI

Blessing in disguise for FSU fans. Bowden had no reason to keep fighting for his job once that happened. And there were plenty of people (outside of FSU) who didn't want to include his Stamford years as part of his victory total anyway. I wasn't too torn up about it.

sterlingice · 06-10-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Are you sure the players won't be explaining the penalties to him?

SI

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 07:51 AM

Can't take credit for this but I got a kick out of it.

Apparently the USC defections have begun:

Noop · 06-10-2010, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Then what is the violation? Considering FSU, Oklahoma and Alabama all got slaps on the wrist (2 of those programs were even on probation at the time). If the smoking gun isn't there a 2 year bowl ban and 20-30 scholarships isn't going to hold up.

That was a university issue that involved non-athletes as well as athletes. If Florida State had stonewalled the NCAA nothing would have happened to them. #Fact

fantom1979 · 06-10-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

According to Fox News, Kiffin is meeting with the players in the morning to explain the penalties.

Maybe he can get Al Davis to explain it to them with an overhead projector.

digamma · 06-10-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Then what is the violation? Considering FSU, Oklahoma and Alabama all got slaps on the wrist (2 of those programs were even on probation at the time). If the smoking gun isn't there a 2 year bowl ban and 20-30 scholarships isn't going to hold up.

Lack of institutional control?

That has actually been the crime for some of the NCAA's harshest penalties in recent years. Granted these are still small potatoes compared what we'd see in the late 80s and 90s, but that's the catch all.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 10:46 AM

The great thing is that with the scholarship losses, Kiffin has taken 7 WR's and 3 QB's in the last two classes

SnDvls · 06-10-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

The great thing is that with the scholarship losses, Kiffin has taken 7 WR's and 3 QB's in the last two classes

what?? Mr great coach can't convert them all to OTs and LBs

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:02 PM

USC just got fucked. 2 year bowl ban, limited recruited contact and 10 schollies a year for three years.

Poli · 06-10-2010, 02:06 PM

I'm really upset here.

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:07 PM

Also 4 years probation for USC. I wonder how Lane and Bebe will be able to get around that.

Logan · 06-10-2010, 02:08 PM

That kind of punishment at a premier program must mean some bad shit went down.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:09 PM

Lane Kiffin could turn out to be a great coach, but most fans (well everyone but USC fans) dont think Kiffin and O can go 4 years with probabtion. Thats more important then even a bowl ban

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:10 PM

So over the next three years USC will basically sign 45 scholarship players. That is brutal.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

So over the next three years USC will basically sign 45 scholarship players. That is brutal.

They'll probably be able to spread them out over a few years.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:12 PM

DanWetzel The 30 lost scholarships is an absolutely massive total. That's a behind the woodshed type punishment. Also, two year bowl ban

BryanDFischer USC Penalties: 4yr probation, vacate wins in bball in 09-10, 2yr bowl ban fball, w tennis vacate wins, fine of $5,000

BryanDFischer COI considered imposing TV bans but decided penalties were enough, decision was “a very tough call.”

BryanDFischer Failure of USC was to recognize warning signs, b proactive in monitoring, didn't follow through on things, found lack of instit. control

BryanDFischer OJ Mayo violations: received cash, electronic devices, services, meals, transportation and a TV

BryanDFischer Case centered on agent and amateurism violations involving student athlete 1: (Reggie Bush) and student athlete 2 (OJ Mayo)

BryanDFischer Reggie Bush violations: received a vehicle, rent free home for parents, airline tickets, hotel room, cash, limo, furniture, appliance.

USC will DEFINITELY appeal this. This thing is harsh.

wade moore · 06-10-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

I'm really upset here.

This was my initial reaction as well.

But, to be clear (and I think Poli is in the same boat), I have no malice towards USC. But I LOVE seeing this happen to Kiffin. It's part of why I said (I think I said it here) that the move made no sense for him in my opinion.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:14 PM

From ESPN

"The NCAA said its findings included "a lack of institutional control, impermissible inducements, extra benefits, exceeding coach staff limits, and unethical conduct by an assistant football coach.""

Im guessing the Dogfighter got busted

wade moore · 06-10-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

DanWetzel The 30 lost scholarships is an absolutely massive total. That's a behind the woodshed type punishment. Also, two year bowl ban

BryanDFischer USC Penalties: 4yr probation, vacate wins in bball in 09-10, 2yr bowl ban fball, w tennis vacate wins, fine of $5,000

BryanDFischer COI considered imposing TV bans but decided penalties were enough, decision was “a very tough call.”

BryanDFischer Failure of USC was to recognize warning signs, b proactive in monitoring, didn't follow through on things, found lack of instit. control

BryanDFischer OJ Mayo violations: received cash, electronic devices, services, meals, transportation and a TV

BryanDFischer Case centered on agent and amateurism violations involving student athlete 1: (Reggie Bush) and student athlete 2 (OJ Mayo)

BryanDFischer Reggie Bush violations: received a vehicle, rent free home for parents, airline tickets, hotel room, cash, limo, furniture, appliance.

USC will DEFINITELY appeal this. This thing is harsh.

Tennis team seems to fit in the "which one of these things is not like the other" game.

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

They'll probably be able to spread them out over a few years.

I am not sure. I am not sure on Pac 10 rules but the NCAA says you can sign 25 kids a class. If these 30 schollies are over 3 years, I don't see how they can spread it out.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I am not sure. I am not sure on Pac 10 rules but the NCAA says you can sign 25 kids a class. If these 30 schollies are over 3 years, I don't see how they can spread it out.

I must have read it wrong. That is a harsh penalty.

Basketball, Tennis, and Football means that the NCAA gave them the modern day death penalty

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I must have read it wrong. That is a harsh penalty.

Basketball, Tennis, and Football means that the NCAA gave them the modern day death penalty

I know all these recruits right now are sticking with USC (2011 kids) but give these other coaches a week to negative recruit and they will be singing new tunes.

Swaggs · 06-10-2010, 02:20 PM

I have nothing against USC, but I am glad to see that Reggie Bush (provided the findings are true) will likely have to vacate his Heisman Trophy. It seems like the athletes and/or coaches often get off without much of a penalty, but having to turn over the Heisman Trophy and possibly have the BCS come in and remove the BCS trophy (taking it away from him and all of his teammates on a championship team) has to hurt him a lot.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I know all these recruits right now are sticking with USC (2011 kids) but give these other coaches a week to negative recruit and they will be singing new tunes.

30 scholies total, but loss of 10 off both the regular yearly 25 against the cap (75 instead of 85) for three years is going to HURT. Far closer to what set back Oklahoma for a decade than what happened to Bama.

And USC basketball also received another 1 year ban for basketball

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:29 PM

So where does Seantrel end up?

DeToxRox · 06-10-2010, 02:52 PM

One aspect that makes this even tougher for ND is now there is no room for error with kids. They are going to not have typical USC classes as it is, but still probably decent but even in those loaded classes they had busts. Cannot afford that at all now.

DanGarion · 06-10-2010, 02:55 PM

GO UCLA!

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 02:58 PM

Oh Dan

DanGarion · 06-10-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Oh Dan

I got a big blue truck now too, (a Ford and I've always been a Chevy guy) so maybe it's time to convert...

Ksyrup · 06-10-2010, 03:21 PM

If it's any consolation, at least the scholarship restrictions will have ended by the time that 8th grader is ready for college...

Poli · 06-10-2010, 03:22 PM

Can the thread be edited to include Kiffin-hater chuckles as well?

Ksyrup · 06-10-2010, 03:29 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure who's happier about this news - UCLA fans or Tennessee fans. Is their home-and-home series concluded? Would have been funny to see all the anti-USC/Kiffin stuff between both of the fan bases next year.

Chief Rum · 06-10-2010, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Yeah, I'm not sure who's happier about this news - UCLA fans or Tennessee fans. Is their home-and-home series concluded? Would have been funny to see all the anti-USC/Kiffin stuff between both of the fan bases next year.

The home and home is done, but the opportunity may still come: they'll probably be in the same conference by 2020.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:29 PM

Another reason to question the assistant football coach's credibility in denying that he knew agency partner A is the fact that the two shared a close relationship with a mutual friend ("mutual friend"), a comedian and actor who has appeared in various roles in television and motion pictures. Agency partner A grew up with the mutual friend in the OC. The record in the case included a photograph of the assistant football coach together with agency partners A and B and the mutual friend.

Todd McNair, Rodney Guillory and....anyone have any guesses?

Chief Rum · 06-10-2010, 04:50 PM

Will Ferrell is my guess.

Chief Rum · 06-10-2010, 04:52 PM

Will Ferrell was born and raised in Irvine, CA, right in the heart of the OC.

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 04:56 PM

Yes, I believe so

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

I know all these recruits right now are sticking with USC (2011 kids) but give these other coaches a week to negative recruit and they will be singing new tunes.

Just saw that USC's scholarship limits do not count for last year. So with their 19 scholarships last year, you add, 15, 15, 15 for the next 3 years. That's actually a huge point in this.

If USC sues, it could possibly delay when the punishment will occur and if USC loses that lawsuit, they could very well sit their program back 5 years

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 05:18 PM

BC makes it official; released a statement a short time ago....in accordance with the NCAA findings, USC's 2005 BCS championship has been vacated.

Chief Rum · 06-10-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

BC makes it official; released a statement a short time ago....in accordance with the NCAA findings, USC's 2005 BCS championship has been vacated.

BC?

Bowl Committee?

MrBug708 · 06-10-2010, 05:28 PM

BCS...sorry

Pete Carroll's response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7RvG_FpBY

Chief Rum · 06-10-2010, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

BCS...sorry

Pete Carroll's response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7RvG_FpBY

Congratulations Oklahoma?

RainMaker · 06-10-2010, 06:16 PM

What about Auburn?

Chief Rum · 06-10-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

What about Auburn?

Hard to reward the undefeated team that wasn't invited to the game over the team that was, and was also undefeated, prior to playing what turned out to be an ineligible USC team.

Atocep · 06-10-2010, 06:30 PM

The speculation I had heard was that the title would be vacated and there would be no championship given out. No idea if the BCS has said otherwise today, though.

bronconick · 06-10-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

What about Auburn?

Well, Fox Sports Detroit did a replay of a 2000 High School hockey game that was suspended in the 3rd because of a nasty injury to a player a month or two ago, so I say we get the 2004 Auburn and Oklahoma teams to kickoff this year's college football season at the Rose Bowl (where said game would have occurred)

Minnesota wouldn't mind Peterson playing a meaningless exhibition, right?

Tigercat · 06-10-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Hard to reward the undefeated team that wasn't invited to the game over the team that was, and was also undefeated, prior to playing what turned out to be an ineligible USC team.

Agreed, but it is also problematic to reward the team (OU) that lost in their bowl game over the team they should have played (Auburn) had USC been taken out of the equation instantaneously. But if you have to award one team now in the record books, then OU is the best bet I guess. Co Champs between OU and Auburn is better. But perhaps the best move is just having a *Title Vacated* next to the year.

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Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Fair point. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-10-2010, 02:06 PM	#163
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06-10-2010, 02:20 PM	#176
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I have nothing against USC, but I am glad to see that Reggie Bush (provided the findings are true) will likely have to vacate his Heisman Trophy. It seems like the athletes and/or coaches often get off without much of a penalty, but having to turn over the Heisman Trophy and possibly have the BCS come in and remove the BCS trophy (taking it away from him and all of his teammates on a championship team) has to hurt him a lot. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

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06-10-2010, 03:21 PM	#183
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	If it's any consolation, at least the scholarship restrictions will have ended by the time that 8th grader is ready for college... __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-10-2010, 01:43 AM	#151
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	According to Fox News, Kiffin is meeting with the players in the morning to explain the penalties.

06-10-2010, 07:51 AM	#156
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Can't take credit for this but I got a kick out of it. Apparently the USC defections have begun:

06-10-2010, 10:46 AM	#160
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	The great thing is that with the scholarship losses, Kiffin has taken 7 WR's and 3 QB's in the last two classes

06-10-2010, 02:02 PM	#162
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	USC just got fucked. 2 year bowl ban, limited recruited contact and 10 schollies a year for three years.

06-10-2010, 02:07 PM	#164
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Also 4 years probation for USC. I wonder how Lane and Bebe will be able to get around that.

06-10-2010, 02:08 PM	#165
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	That kind of punishment at a premier program must mean some bad shit went down.

06-10-2010, 02:09 PM	#166
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Lane Kiffin could turn out to be a great coach, but most fans (well everyone but USC fans) dont think Kiffin and O can go 4 years with probabtion. Thats more important then even a bowl ban

06-10-2010, 02:10 PM	#167
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	So over the next three years USC will basically sign 45 scholarship players. That is brutal.

06-10-2010, 02:12 PM	#169
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	DanWetzel The 30 lost scholarships is an absolutely massive total. That's a behind the woodshed type punishment. Also, two year bowl ban BryanDFischer USC Penalties: 4yr probation, vacate wins in bball in 09-10, 2yr bowl ban fball, w tennis vacate wins, fine of $5,000 BryanDFischer COI considered imposing TV bans but decided penalties were enough, decision was “a very tough call.” BryanDFischer Failure of USC was to recognize warning signs, b proactive in monitoring, didn't follow through on things, found lack of instit. control BryanDFischer OJ Mayo violations: received cash, electronic devices, services, meals, transportation and a TV BryanDFischer Case centered on agent and amateurism violations involving student athlete 1: (Reggie Bush) and student athlete 2 (OJ Mayo) BryanDFischer Reggie Bush violations: received a vehicle, rent free home for parents, airline tickets, hotel room, cash, limo, furniture, appliance. USC will DEFINITELY appeal this. This thing is harsh.

06-10-2010, 02:14 PM	#171
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	From ESPN "The NCAA said its findings included "a lack of institutional control, impermissible inducements, extra benefits, exceeding coach staff limits, and unethical conduct by an assistant football coach."" Im guessing the Dogfighter got busted

06-10-2010, 02:29 PM	#178
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	So where does Seantrel end up?

06-10-2010, 02:52 PM	#179
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	One aspect that makes this even tougher for ND is now there is no room for error with kids. They are going to not have typical USC classes as it is, but still probably decent but even in those loaded classes they had busts. Cannot afford that at all now.

06-10-2010, 02:58 PM	#181
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Oh Dan

06-10-2010, 03:22 PM	#184
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Can the thread be edited to include Kiffin-hater chuckles as well? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

06-10-2010, 03:29 PM	#185
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah, I'm not sure who's happier about this news - UCLA fans or Tennessee fans. Is their home-and-home series concluded? Would have been funny to see all the anti-USC/Kiffin stuff between both of the fan bases next year. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

06-10-2010, 04:29 PM	#187
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Another reason to question the assistant football coach's credibility in denying that he knew agency partner A is the fact that the two shared a close relationship with a mutual friend ("mutual friend"), a comedian and actor who has appeared in various roles in television and motion pictures. Agency partner A grew up with the mutual friend in the OC. The record in the case included a photograph of the assistant football coach together with agency partners A and B and the mutual friend. Todd McNair, Rodney Guillory and....anyone have any guesses? Last edited by MrBug708 : 06-10-2010 at 04:38 PM.

06-10-2010, 04:50 PM	#188
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Will Ferrell is my guess. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-10-2010, 04:52 PM	#189
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Will Ferrell was born and raised in Irvine, CA, right in the heart of the OC. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-10-2010, 04:56 PM	#190
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Yes, I believe so

06-10-2010, 05:18 PM	#192
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	BC makes it official; released a statement a short time ago....in accordance with the NCAA findings, USC's 2005 BCS championship has been vacated.

06-10-2010, 05:28 PM	#194
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	BCS...sorry Pete Carroll's response http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT7RvG_FpBY

06-10-2010, 06:16 PM	#196
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	What about Auburn?

06-10-2010, 06:30 PM	#198
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	The speculation I had heard was that the title would be vacated and there would be no championship given out. No idea if the BCS has said otherwise today, though.

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