FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[Logan]

There's some real crazy shit visible on Twitter.

[JPhillips]

SWAT just invade McDonald's where I'm working/recharging. Asked for ID when I took photo. pic.twitter.com/FOIsMnBwHy

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 13, 2014

Police come into McD where me and @ryanjreilly working. Try to kick everyone out.

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 13, 2014

"We cannot guarantee your safety. We will not be answering 911 calls"

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 13, 2014

Was arrested

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Officers decided we weren't leaving McDonalds quickly enough, shouldn't have been taping them.

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Released without any charges, no paperwork whatsoever

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Officers slammed me into a fountain soda machine because I was confused about which door they were asking me to walk out of

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Well, @WesleyLowery and I have been released. That was an experience.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 14, 2014

Police now say there might be a report available to Ryan and I in "a week or two"

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

[panerd]

Gotta love the liberals. Been talking about the militarization of the police on here for years and was laughed at and called a loon but now that it's a racial thing they suddenly have found Jesus.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

SWAT just invade McDonald's where I'm working/recharging. Asked for ID when I took photo. pic.twitter.com/FOIsMnBwHy

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 13, 2014

Police come into McD where me and @ryanjreilly working. Try to kick everyone out.

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 13, 2014

"We cannot guarantee your safety. We will not be answering 911 calls"

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 13, 2014

Was arrested

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Officers decided we weren't leaving McDonalds quickly enough, shouldn't have been taping them.

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Released without any charges, no paperwork whatsoever

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Officers slammed me into a fountain soda machine because I was confused about which door they were asking me to walk out of

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

Well, @WesleyLowery and I have been released. That was an experience.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 14, 2014

Police now say there might be a report available to Ryan and I in "a week or two"

— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) August 14, 2014

August 14? Am I missing something?

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by Shepp

I wonder what Mr. Brown or his friend did or said that prompted the officer to back up after driving away?

Could have been anything. I could easily see a case where a cop goes to drive off, the kids either yell an expletive or flip the cop off, and then the cop goes back to teach them a lesson. Easily. Cops don't like taking shit. You don't afford the wrong cop the "proper respect" and you're being combative, or resisting arrest, and cuffed or pressed down against the pavement.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by TroyF

August 14? Am I missing something?

My guess is GMT rather than Central.

[RainMaker]

It is kind of funny how they can afford all these weapons and tools but not a dashboard cam.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Logan

There's some real crazy shit visible on Twitter.

Nothing about this part surprises me. Happened every time they brought in outside riot police officers at UMass too. You have an us vs. them and a mob mentality on both sides, and the police find one or two dumb people and use it to crack down on everyone, including the 98% that is just standing around and posing no threat.

I've stayed out of the rest because we have no real idea what happened during the confrontation, but I completely believe the cop started it. Good cops can handle that situation easily - either ignore it or use a calm reasonable tone when telling the person to move to the sidewalk. Arrogant dicks who feel the need to assert their power will gun the engine back there and escalate the situation. Even if the kid did start a physical altercation then the whole situation was caused by a cop who felt he had to assert dominance.

[Logan]

Not a good look for the PD to order the media to turn off their cameras as they advance with a riot squad.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Logan

Not a good look for the PD to order the media to turn off their cameras as they advance with a riot squad.

Or arresting them at fast food joints.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by panerd

Gotta love the liberals. Been talking about the militarization of the police on here for years and was laughed at and called a loon but now that it's a racial thing they suddenly have found Jesus.

Well aren't you just so much better than all the rest of us.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Will you STFU now?

[panerd]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Well aren't you just so much better than all the rest of us.

Is that what you wanted to hear? Will you STFU now?

I thought I was on your ignore list?

I didn't even realize you even posted anything in this thread about police militarization at all but so sorry you took such great offense.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Logan

Not a good look for the PD to order the media to turn off their cameras as they advance with a riot squad.

Par for the course. I've seen plenty of cell phones/cameras "confiscated" and people threatened with arrest for recording police (and when the person actually knew their rights and refused they'd switch to the ubiquitous "Failure to Disperse")

Fact is, the police basically do have carte blanche to do what they want in the moment. Everything gets thrown out in court, but there's no punishment on the police side. Maybe some " extra training" or a paid suspension until the hearing clears them.

[PilotMan]

Here Are the Emergency Dispatch Calls From the Day Michael Brown Died

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Logan

Not a good look for the PD to order the media to turn off their cameras as they advance with a riot squad.

Jeopardizes the operation if they're tipping it ahead of time. (Sounds as they this occurred at the staging area, based on the McDonald's bit).

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by panerd

I thought I was on your ignore list?

I didn't even realize you even posted anything in this thread about police militarization at all but so sorry you took such great offense.

You are - occasionally I peek in on ignore-listed folks.

It's not even about me taking offense - I don't care what you think of me. It's just your whole shtick is so tired man. You never fail to take ANY current event, political or otherwise, and bend it to your standard "I'M A LIBERTARIAN...I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS...HAR HAR STUPID (R)'s AND (D)'s WHO ARE JUST SAYING IT NOW."

We all get it alright - you can stop, and maybe...idk - contribute something actually topical and useful instead of the same old cliched post by you.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

You are - occasionally I peek in on ignore-listed folks.

It's not even about me taking offense - I don't care what you think of me. It's just your whole shtick is so tired man. You never fail to take ANY current event, political or otherwise, and bend it to your standard "I'M A LIBERTARIAN...I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS...HAR HAR STUPID (R)'s AND (D)'s WHO ARE JUST SAYING IT NOW."

We all get it alright - you can stop, and maybe...idk - contribute something actually topical and useful instead of the same old cliched post by you.

Too bad I'm on ignore because I posted what the police statement is going to be a couple of pages ago and it got lost in the back and forth over some Internet article. Seems to happen to everyone I guess? Your problem is you take it so personal. I'd report you telling me to shut the fuck up but I don't care that much though you are the one way out of line in this thread.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

the whole situation was caused by a cop who felt he had to assert dominance

I think that's probably what it boils down to. For some cops, these aren't citizens. They're subjects. And if those subjects don't bow to their feudal masters, their betters, they get pissed.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by panerd

Too bad I'm on ignore because I posted what the police statement is going to be a couple of pages ago and it got lost in the back and forth over some Internet article. Seems to happen to everyone I guess? Your problem is you take it so personal. I'd report you telling me to shut the fuck up but I don't care that much though you are the one way out of line in this thread.

I already told you - I don't take it personally. I don't take anything on the internet personally at all. I just roll my eyes because you never miss an opportunity to toss in your cliched "Libertarian superiority" post. And every so often I think it's important that somebody calls you out on that - just as every so often I think it's important that somebody call out JIMGA for his stuff.

Go ahead and report it - If I get boxed for saying STFU that would be...unprecedented.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Jeopardizes the operation if they're tipping it ahead of time. (Sounds as they this occurred at the staging area, based on the McDonald's bit).

No it didn't occur there. And it didn't "jeopardize" anything; it was just illegal.

[panerd]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I already told you - I don't take it personally. I don't take anything on the internet personally at all. I just roll my eyes because you never miss an opportunity to toss in your cliched "Libertarian superiority" post. And every so often I think it's important that somebody calls you out on that - just as every so often I think it's important that somebody call out JIMGA for his stuff.

Go ahead and report it - If I get boxed for saying STFU that would be...unprecedented.

You responded in anger to something I wrote to another board member and not to you. Seems to be the definition of taking something personally.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Logan

No it didn't occur there. And it didn't "jeopardize" anything; it was just illegal.

I got no further on this (non) story than the Twitter stream posted here.

I was strictly making a stab at it based on a) how often I've seen/known of operations being staged from places such as McDonald's and b) the phrasing that made it sound like the encounter was pre-operation.

[Subby]

In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest - The Washington Post

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Subby

In Ferguson, Washington Post reporter Wesley Lowery gives account of his arrest - The Washington Post

I'm claiming half credit at least

For the past week in Ferguson, reporters have been using the McDonald’s a few blocks from the scene of Michael Brown’s shooting as a staging area

[Subby]

keithlaw 11:15pm via Twitter for iPhone

I'm guessing Vladimir Putin and Bashar al-Assad are thinking, "Oh, sure, but when WE do this stuff..."

[Subby]

mattdpearce 11:45pm via Twitter for iPhone

STL County Police Chief Belmar: "We've done everything we can to demonstrate a remarkable amount of restraint."

Right - aside from shooting the unarmed teenager. And the full-scale military response. But yeah - everything SINCE then...

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Subby

And the full-scale military response.

If only.

Oh, if only.

[Subby]

Michael Ian Black @michaelianblack · 2h

People confused about the right wing's lack of solidarity with #ferguson, you may not have taken racism into account.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by Subby

mattdpearce 11:45pm via Twitter for iPhone

STL County Police Chief Belmar: "We've done everything we can to demonstrate a remarkable amount of restraint."

Right - aside from shooting the unarmed teenager. And the full-scale military response. But yeah - everything SINCE then...

It probably took a ton of restraint to only use one canister of tear gas on these reporters.

Seriously. The fuck is wrong with America? How does an image like this ever make sense? pic.twitter.com/EQzV9YNn3V

— Chris Kluwe (@ChrisWarcraft) August 14, 2014

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by mckerney

It probably took a ton of restraint to only use one canister of tear gas on these reporters.

Given the typical media bias (and I've been on both sides of that don't forget), it's an enormous amount of restraint.

[RainMaker]

If your officers require that kind of response they are colossal pussies.

[Groundhog]

Clip of that image.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Clip of that image.

Is that caption (identifying Al-Jazerra as the source) for real?

[Groundhog]

The camera crew were Al-Jazeera, yes. The source of the particular video, no.

[Groundhog]

People in Gaza tweeting tips to Ferguson locals on how to handle tear gas... what an interesting day.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

The camera crew were Al-Jazeera, yes. The source of the particular video, no.

Yeah, I got that (sorry if my question wasn't clear), it was just so ... "you gotta be kidding me" that I couldn't be sure if it was p'shopped.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Huffington Post Reporter Arrested In Ferguson

Two reporters arrested in Ferguson.

This escalated quickly.

[Neon_Chaos]

I guess this shit doesn't just happen in third world countries like mine.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by panerd

Gotta love the liberals. Been talking about the militarization of the police on here for years and was laughed at and called a loon but now that it's a racial thing they suddenly have found Jesus.

Which of us liberals laughed at you and called you a loon about this issue?

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Here Are the Emergency Dispatch Calls From the Day Michael Brown Died

Wow, the police dept. did not even know it was a shooting until the news called them and let them know? Why would a seasoned police officer not immediately call dispatch and advise of the shooting?

[Lathum]

I am almost always going to side with the police, but the longer this drags on the harder it is to give them any benefit of the doubt in this situation.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, I got that (sorry if my question wasn't clear), it was just so ... "you gotta be kidding me" that I couldn't be sure if it was p'shopped.

Al Jazeera America has been operating here for about a year and has 12 bureaus across the country in addition to its NYC HQ.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Which of us liberals laughed at you and called you a loon about this issue?

+1

I've given him hell about other things, but I'm with him about the militarization of police forces.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Which of us liberals laughed at you and called you a loon about this issue?

Seriously. Last time I checked, the "liberals" have been concerned about the militarization of police forces for a good long time now.

[Klinglerware]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

Here Are the Emergency Dispatch Calls From the Day Michael Brown Died

Anonymous is on the case.

If these are legit, this also demonstrates the futility and counter-productiveness (at least from a PR perspective) of the police attempts to impede communication flow. The ability of hackers to obtain these files along with the ability of the press and the general public to easily document and disseminate information to the outside world really should make the police leadership think carefully about the implications of their decision-making. Regardless of police intent, attempting to discourage press coverage and arresting reporters are going to have consequences--at the very least, giving the leadership yet another headache to deal with that could have easily been avoided.

[Klinglerware]

Speaking of anonymous...

Anonymous launches cyber attack on Ferguson after teen shooting | WTVR.com

It looks like they have been successful in their threats to compromise the City government's communications infrastructure and the security of its employee's personal information.

[Groundhog]

Anonymous have leaked the shooter's identity, too.

[cuervo72]

I'm not a liberal (though I've certainly become less conservative the past few years), but I'm pretty sure I voiced reservations concerning the lockdown of Boston last year.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by panerd

You responded in anger to something I wrote to another board member and not to you. Seems to be the definition of taking something personally.

Nope - not at all. I just think it's important that people call you out on your tired constant refrain from time to time, and since nobody else was, I decided to.

There was no anger. You haven't seen my anger if you think that was "anger." I don't get "angry" at internet stuff.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Clip of that image.