The Democrat Party Headquarters Thread (No Repubs Allowed!!)

[henry296]

I'm extremely popular so I would make a good candidate, however, my last post in the general thread indicates that might not be interested.

[Chubby]

I think KWhit still needs to pick a whip as well.

We should throw support power behind our bill and our presidential candiate at the very least. If we're going with myself as speaker than I would be a support power option as well.

For slurry I think the 2 most centrist repubs and possibly their most conservative member. my $.02

[KWhit]

Henry said he is out for leadership positions. So we've got Chubby and Packerfan that will likely be 'electable.' And maybe Eaglefan.

I'm assuming anyone else will be too liberal to get elected. So of those guys, who do you think should be Speaker and who Presidential Candidate?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by henry296

I'm extremely popular so I would make a good candidate, however, my last post in the general thread indicates that might not be interested.

Just saw that.

Everyone's thoughts on PackerFanatic as presidential nominee?

[PackerFanatic]

We still need a liaison too - someone that is a good sweet-talker that can convince the repubs

[Chubby]

I'm open to both, my name got brought up for speaker so I already kinda put myself out there for that. I think both myself and PackerFanatic are electable for prez. Whatever is best for the party is what I say we do.

[Chubby]

are we going with 33% chance for bill?

[henry296]

Do we think the president role requires a high level of activity? I see the speaker role as much more involved during the day and the president has more responsibility during the evening when I have a little more time. I could re-position my time committment in the general thread if needed.

Do we worry about how PakerFanatic would do against a centrist republican. However, if we have the speaker that should help with our popularity.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I'm open to both, my name got brought up for speaker so I already kinda put myself out there for that. I think both myself and PackerFanatic are electable for prez. Whatever is best for the party is what I say we do.

I'd be fine either way. Since you have already put you name in for Speaker, why don't we do this:

PackerFan - Presidential Candidate
Chubby - Speaker Candidate
KWhit - Dem Leader
mccollins - Dem Whip (he expressed interest in this earlier)

So that leaves Liason. I could see Path, chesapeake, or maybe Lathum here.

We need a liason who will be on often and someone we can trust (which is really no one at this point).

[henry296]

33% is good. I think I've seen some games with 50%.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Just saw that.

Everyone's thoughts on PackerFanatic as presidential nominee?

I'm fine with that setup.

Earlier, Mrs. Schmidty nominated / voted Cronin for speaker - I wonder if that is how they're going? If so, Packer is still more centrist than him and could probably get elected, but Heinz would have to cross over.

What are the rules on a tie for the speaker vote?? (Looking it up now...)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'd be fine either way. Since you have already put you name in for Speaker, why don't we do this:

PackerFan - Presidential Candidate
Chubby - Speaker Candidate
KWhit - Dem Leader
mccollins - Dem Whip (he expressed interest in this earlier)

So that leaves Liason. I could see Path, chesapeake, or maybe Lathum here.

We need a liason who will be on often and someone we can trust (which is really no one at this point).

I'm behind this 100%.

As you said, there's not really anyone we can trust so I'd say go with who is online the most for liason.

[Chubby]

If this is the route we are going, make sure you officially vote. I think henry threw his support my way earlier but it wasn't a bolded vote. Just trying to make sure we don't get caught on a technicality

[KWhit]

Here's what I have for the bill so far:

NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL

WHEREAS, our country is faced with a security threat from within in the guise of the so-called "Wolf Party":

BE IT RESOLVED:
The role of Bodyguard is hereby established. The Bodyguard may protect either him or herself or one other member of Congress from harm once per year. The Bodyguard may guard the same person in consecutive years if deemed necessary. The Bodyguard shall notify Chief Rum of who he or she intends to protect prior to passage of the daytime deadline.

Should the person under the Bodyguard's protection be attacked by wolves, there is a 33% chance that the attacker is killed by the Bodyguard. Should the attacker survive, there is a 33% chance that the identity of the attacker will become known to the Bodyguard.

The Bodyguard will be chosen randomly by divine providence (aka Chief Rum) from among the living Members of Congress who are not wolf party members.

Is that good?

[Chubby]

kwhit - i think so

[mccollins]

I don't see anything breaking down how we vote for the Speaker.
Perhaps we just need to get our nomination and votes in.

[henry296]

Originally Posted by Chubby

If this is the route we are going, make sure you officially vote. I think henry threw his support my way earlier but it wasn't a bolded vote. Just trying to make sure we don't get caught on a technicality

Thanks for the reminder. Once we have agreement within the party, I'll make an official vote.

[chesapeake]

The bill looks good.

I am happy to serve in whatever capacity my party needs. But my work schedule will take me out of circulation from about 1 PM to 5:30 PM tomorrow and most of Thursday until roughly 4 PM. I may be able to check in from time to time during those periods, but I can't promise anything.

[henry296]

I like the bill.

[KWhit]

Now we need to discuss who gets sponsorship credit for the bill.

[Lathum]

Jesus Christ, this thread had 12 posts when I went to bed...

going to catch up now

[KWhit]

If PF is going to be our Pres candidate he should be on it I think.

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I'd be fine either way. Since you have already put you name in for Speaker, why don't we do this:

PackerFan - Presidential Candidate
Chubby - Speaker Candidate
KWhit - Dem Leader
mccollins - Dem Whip (he expressed interest in this earlier)

So that leaves Liason. I could see Path, chesapeake, or maybe Lathum here.

We need a liason who will be on often and someone we can trust (which is really no one at this point).

Sounds good, let's get it on out there so we can vote on it? Or is there a need to wait?

Path, do you think you have the most open schedule to be the liason?

[mccollins]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Now we need to discuss who gets sponsorship credit for the bill.

Path wanted (and deserves) one spot so we just need to pick another.

Should it be middle of the road or left-winger? This is the "most left-winger" role so it might be a negative on a centrist.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

If PF is going to be our Pres candidate he should be on it I think.

He's a good option, along with Lathum and chesapeake as the 2 next most heavily dems)

[Chubby]

looks like repubs want us to make the 1st move, this could benefit the party if we're the 1st to propose a bill (at least I hope CR gives us a benefit)

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Path wanted (and deserves) one spot so we just need to pick another.

Should it be middle of the road or left-winger? This is the "most left-winger" role so it might be a negative on a centrist.

Yeah, that's true. Do we think this bill would help or hurt PF? I think it can only help, but YMMV.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by mccollins

Path wanted (and deserves) one spot so we just need to pick another.

Should it be middle of the road or left-winger? This is the "most left-winger" role so it might be a negative on a centrist.

I say we go with path and packer, but am certainly open to ideas.

Lathum, have you caught up yet? any thoughts on the bill or sponsorship?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Yeah, that's true. Do we think this bill would help or hurt PF? I think it can only help, but YMMV.

I think it would help him nationally but possibly hurt him locally. As our goal should be to get him elected to president (which ensures local reelection) I would be in favor of having him sponsor the bill.

[henry296]

It will help if it gets passed.

[KWhit]

I just noticed something in the bill:

NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL

WHEREAS, our country is faced with a security threat from within in the guise of the so-called "Wolf Party":

BE IT RESOLVED:
The role of Bodyguard is hereby established. The Bodyguard may protect either him or herself or one other member of Congress from harm once per year. The Bodyguard may guard the same person in consecutive years if deemed necessary. The Bodyguard shall notify Chief Rum of who he or she intends to protect prior to passage of the daytime deadline.

Should the person under the Bodyguard's protection be attacked by wolves, there is a 33% chance that the attacker is killed by the Bodyguard. Should the attacker survive, there is a 33% chance that the identity of the attacker will become known to the Bodyguard.

The Bodyguard will be chosen randomly by divine providence (aka Chief Rum) from among the living Members of Congress who are not wolf party members.

Shouldn't that be prior to the passage of the night-time deadline? BG is usually a night action, correct?

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by henry296

It will help if it gets passed.

Right. And I'm confident it will get passed.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by henry296

It will help if it gets passed.

I think the odds of either bill failing are slim unless one side puts something silly in it to benefit their party or CR strikes it down. I think our bill is safe on both counts.

[chesapeake]

I am fine with Path and PF getting sponsorship credit. Do we have to wait for CR to ratify KWhit before submitting the bill?

We have 3 Supports and 3 Slurrys to decide on using.
My suggestions for Supports:
Our Bill
PF
(one left) Potentially KWhit since he may be unpopular for being in the pocket of special interests

Slurrys:
GOP Bill
(still thinking)
(Still thinking)

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I just noticed something in the bill:



Shouldn't that be prior to the passage of the night-time deadline? BG is usually a night action, correct?

Yes. You might want to throw in there that he will be protecting at night. Don't need a CR curevball saying the BG guarded someone during the day when he wasn't needed to guard.

[Lathum]

Just starting page 3 but I like the idea of a BG bill.

In uber-complex games it takes me a few days to wrap my brain around the rules, so I would rather not be attached to any role ( speaker, whig, etc...).

If it is beneficial for us to have me sponser a bill then I will be happy to do so, I will just need help in what I need to do.

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by KWhit

I just noticed something in the bill:



Shouldn't that be prior to the passage of the night-time deadline? BG is usually a night action, correct?

Sorry if I made a mistake there. Glad you caught it.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

I am fine with Path and PF getting sponsorship credit. Do we have to wait for CR to ratify KWhit before submitting the bill?

We have 3 Supports and 3 Slurrys to decide on using.
My suggestions for Supports:
Our Bill
PF
(one left) Potentially KWhit since he may be unpopular for being in the pocket of special interests

Slurrys:
GOP Bill
(still thinking)
(Still thinking)

I don't think we should slurry their bill this time. I think we are better off slurrying 3 people (i still say their 2 most centrist and their most republican)

[Lathum]

another thought...

I am guessing the wolves have even numbers on each side, 2 and 2 ore something.

IT could be very beneficial if the wolves on our side could subtly persued the wolves to kill a republican first, giving us a numbers advantage

[chesapeake]

The bill helps the sponsors if 1) it passes; and 2) is popular. Ergo, we should spend at least 1 support allocation on the bill, if not 2.

That is also the value to using the slurry on the GOP bill, even if we ultimately want it to get passed. It will mitigate some of the boost the GOP members that sponsor it get if they pass an unpopular measure.

[EagleFan]

I don't like the laissons knowing who have the roles. It just takes one wolf being given that position to screw us big time. I will not put my constituents in jeopardy like that.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

I am fine with Path and PF getting sponsorship credit. Do we have to wait for CR to ratify KWhit before submitting the bill?

Good question. Do you guys want me to ask CR? Or should I just go for it and post it in the thread?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I don't like the laissons knowing who have the roles. It just takes one wolf being given that position to screw us big time. I will not put my constituents in jeopardy like that.

I'm petty sure that's not in the current version of our bill.

[chesapeake]

Originally Posted by Chubby

I don't think we should slurry their bill this time. I think we are better off slurrying 3 people (i still say their 2 most centrist and their most republican)

Slurrying their bill hits two of their members with one stone. Plus, since I and the more liberal folks in our caucus will be voting against it to appease our constituents, we may get a little benny for opposing a marginally unpopular measure.

I think our centrists should support the GOP bill because it is in all of our best interests; however, I'm not sure how much of a boost, if any, they will get because it is such a "conservative" measure.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by KWhit

Good question. Do you guys want me to ask CR? Or should I just go for it and post it in the thread?

ask CR but I think it would be fine to post it in the thread. Better safe than sorry tho

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by chesapeake

Slurrying their bill hits two of their members with one stone. Plus, since I and the more liberal folks in our caucus will be voting against it to appease our constituents, we may get a little benny for opposing a marginally unpopular measure.

I think our centrists should support the GOP bill because it is in all of our best interests; however, I'm not sure how much of a boost, if any, they will get because it is such a "conservative" measure.

I will be voting yes for both bills to balance out the affects for my centrist voters. (as long as there's no silly provision in the repub bill giving them too much power).

Keep in mind, if elected speaker I'll be able to propose a 3rd bill each year as well starting tomorrow.

[KWhit]

Originally Posted by Chubby

ask CR but I think it would be fine to post it in the thread. Better safe than sorry tho

email sent to him.

[EagleFan]

Trying to catch up, did I miss the part about laissons knowing the roles being taken out of the bill?

[Lathum]

whats slurry mean?

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by Lathum

whats slurry mean?

Party Powers

Each day cycle, each party has three Slurry powers, and three Support powers.

A Slurry power is the ability to throw money at a particular player to hurt their image within their own constituency and nationally, or to hurt the popularity of a bill.

A Support power is the ability to support a person or bill to raise their profile or increase their popularity.

These must be PM'd to me by the Leader or someone from the party prior to the Day Cycle deadline. If they are not elected to be used, they are not saved for the next cycle. The effects are cumulative. There are no political ramifications, as the efforts of the party in this regard is covert in nature.