Werewolf XXXIX: The Lady of La Rochelle–GAME OVER.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Cronin, all we have about you being around at night is your word. IF I had your role I would have made sure I posted at night so people were fully aware of all the mechanics of my role. The fact that you didn't publish the fact you could communicate at night actually ratchet my suspicoun of you up even more, it just seems sneaky. Add to that the fact that you made a grand announcment when you returned which may have cost us a block that night from our bodyguard.

Do you really believe that the mechanism for my role had me absent for 2 days and 1 night? That wouldn't make any sense.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Do you really believe that the mechanism for my role had me absent for 2 days and 1 night? That wouldn't make any sense.

what doesn't make sense about it? There have been quiet a few strange roles in this game including some powerfull ones on the side of good, maybe your dissapearing act is part of the balance.

I'm willing to look elsewhere today if a strong case is presented. I am still suspicous of LSG and DT but for now something about you doesn't sit well with me.

[Lathum]

dola- The fact that you voted for me first is also a contributing factor

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what doesn't make sense about it? There have been quiet a few strange roles in this game including some powerfull ones on the side of good, maybe your dissapearing act is part of the balance.

I'm willing to look elsewhere today if a strong case is presented. I am still suspicous of LSG and DT but for now something about you doesn't sit well with me.

I think it would be pretty strange if LSG were bad. I mean, she challenged Blade to a duel, early in the day, before the majority of us were clamoring for Blade's head.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I think it would be pretty strange if LSG were bad. I mean, she challenged Blade to a duel, early in the day, before the majority of us were clamoring for Blade's head.

I already pointed that out in post #1945.

IMO it's you or DT today with LSG a distant third.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I already pointed that out in post #1945.

IMO it's you or DT today with LSG a distant third.

Why DT and not ntndeacon?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why DT and not ntndeacon?

The day we had CW nailed DT voted early for me when all the evidence was on CW and never switched over.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The day we had CW nailed DT voted early for me when all the evidence was on CW and never switched over.

But you have nothing positive on ntn?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

But you have nothing positive on ntn?

I really have nothing on NTN at all.


I have been suspicous of DT since he voted for me in post 1643. Right after that there was a CW vs. Blade run yet DT kept his vote on me the whole time. It was a classic throw away vote.

[LoneStarGirl]

How am i suspicous? As soon as i got online yesterday i chose to duel blade. I didn't even read the thread before i challenged him to a duel. Lathum I trust you about as much as I can throw you, and part of me wants to duel you... but i think we should focus more on cronin. Fouts, should I duel anybody?

[LoneStarGirl]

we have learned that daddy is good at being bad, and he has nothing really to save him... so for now

vote daddy torgo

[Lathum]

LSG. I said you were a DISTANT third. You will not be getting a vote from me today no matter what happens.

[ntndeacon]

Since it is late in the game, i do not have a problem stating my role. I am a swashbuckler. I am somewhat hotheaded, and like LSG I cannot duck a duel.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Daddy Torgo

I can't see any reason to change yesterday's vote. So I will stay the course.

[LoneStarGirl]

hmmmm now i want to duel ntn deacon

but i wont unless I am instructed to

[Lathum]

Instructed by who?

fouts?

[Lathum]

what does everyone thing about an LSG vs. NTN duel and lynching DT?

It could potentiely win us the game.

[DaddyTorgo]

home and catching up. looks like it's maybe been quiet so far...?

[DaddyTorgo]

ugh. i explained my vote on you from the other night TWICE now lathum. it would have cast me in a worse light to move than to stay the course on you, especially as you were in no danger. then i would have been called out for switching off CW (a known bad guy now) onto you? So dammed if I do and dammed if i don't pretty much??

CW was dammed at that point, my vote wasn't going to make a difference and I did/do have legitimate questions regarding you, that's all.

But I'm really glad to see that people are taking a closer look at Cronin...let's not forget that it seems we have two evil sides still active in this game, a poisoner and a brutalizer, for lack of a better term. Musketeers and Chevaliers I woud assume. So not only is there a musketeer in our midst, but there's also a Chevalier.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

what does everyone thing about an LSG vs. NTN duel and lynching DT?

It could potentiely win us the game.

i think you should stop trying to kill me lathum!

[st.cronin]

unvote Lathum
vote Daddytorgo

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin...my vote on you IS subject to change of course. I simply have no intention of letting us guards lynch another innocent man (myself) and so i had to vote for the person also getting votes. I wasn't sure if that was you or lathum. but if you want to vote lathum with me I am about equally as suspicious of him...

[DaddyTorgo]

actually cronin...there are two on me...if you and i vote lathum there will be two on him and I won't feel the headsman's axe breathing on my neck...and like i said, i find him suspicious too, so i'm open to voting for him.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

actually cronin...there are two on me...if you and i vote lathum there will be two on him and I won't feel the headsman's axe breathing on my neck...and like i said, i find him suspicious too, so i'm open to voting for him.

Did you ever say what your role is?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Did you ever say what your role is?

yep. way long time ago. i'm a charming young guardsman. i don't have any exciting night actions, i stay in my room and sleep the night away. i guess i'm supposta represent like "the new green recruit" basically

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE ST. CRONIN

might pay to check the voting totals before I vote.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yep. way long time ago. i'm a charming young guardsman. i don't have any exciting night actions, i stay in my room and sleep the night away. i guess i'm supposta represent like "the new green recruit" basically

Does "charming" indicate some ability you haven't used yet? And I would also be curious to hear your thoughts on the remaining players. I'm not sure which to go yet ... I could be persuaded to lynch just about anybody.

[LoneStarGirl]

A couple of days ago I said I suspected Cronin but nobody backed me up so I kind of let that theory go. Now its on Daddy or Lathum... but I am willing to duel anybody if it helps the villagers

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

How am i suspicous? As soon as i got online yesterday i chose to duel blade. I didn't even read the thread before i challenged him to a duel. Lathum I trust you about as much as I can throw you, and part of me wants to duel you... but i think we should focus more on cronin. Fouts, should I duel anybody?

What is your role?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Does "charming" indicate some ability you haven't used yet? And I would also be curious to hear your thoughts on the remaining players. I'm not sure which to go yet ... I could be persuaded to lynch just about anybody.

yes. i discussed my ability earlier in the game when i discussed my role.

as far as the remaining players let me rank them in order of most-trusted to least-trusted. brutally honestly, with a quick reason. I hope this doesn't turn anyone off to working with me because of my honesty.

DaddyTorgo - how could I not trust myself? And I think I've given solid reasons for actions that people see as questionable (my Lathum vote for instance). Viewed by BrianD asleep in my room.
Fouts - Lt. of the Cardinal's Guard. I have a hard time believing he'd be a musketeer or a Chevalier and would go to the mat so early with his power, drawing so much attention to himself.

BIG Drop down.

St. Cronin - Interesting role that you have had. I'm still not 100% trusting of you TBH. I think that you could easily be a Chevalier, as what I guess we assume is the Chevalier-type killings happened when you were out, and you were removing yourself as the first 2 Chevaliers were feeling the heat.
LSG & NTN - Putting these two in the same group because IMO both of them cannot be on the same side. I'm not entirely sure which direction we should look in, but maybe putting them both up to a duel and then killing the winner if the loser isn't bad? Or analyzing voting records?
Lathum - Has just kinda been "there." Used a fairly weak power early (weak visible power makes me think "highly skilled at fighting" to balance it out maybe?). Has really been farily non-commital about things, and has been all over me for a couple votes I placed on him when he wasn't even in danger (and I know I'm good so this is even more suspicious).

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

at this point I am willing to entertain any theories/directions for us to go in tonight, as long as they don't involve my beautiful young neck (obviously). I hope that my list proves helpful and sparks some discussion here so that we can get something going...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

M. Grenier dismisses the girl and says, “Oh, and M. st.cronin will not join us again today. He will be studying his Bible in the Church”. M. st.cronin stands and walks toward the Church. M. Grenier says to st.cronin, “Sir, I respect your theological studies, but you must join us upon the end of today”.

[b]St.cronin is absent for the day. Any votes caste for him will not be counted and he cannot vote.

I was not absent during ANY nights. The write-ups are clear. People need to stop spreading that particular lie.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I was not absent during ANY nights. The write-ups are clear. People need to stop spreading that particular lie.

fair enough. if i could edit that point i would. but the point that i said about you removing yourself when the chevaliers were under fire still stands. you do gain a little trust in my book by not being absent during the nights, but I wouldn't place you up on say...the Fouts level.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yes. i discussed my ability earlier in the game when i discussed my role.

Could you possibly point me to a post? I don't remember you talking about your role at all.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Could you possibly point me to a post? I don't remember you talking about your role at all.

aaargh? are you serious? I guess I could...if I went back and dug through all my posts in this thread. hang on

[DaddyTorgo]

cronin...it's post #1291 (sorry i am not cool enough to know how to do the linking posts thing)

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

can postpone for a day.

also can pick the method of combat (guns vs. swords) although with me being average on both it's a craphshoot more or less, unless i know about the other guy.

Here it is. Questions:

Does ntndeacon have an ability like this?
Do we think it's less likely that a mouseketeer would have an ability like this?

I think ntndeacon might be the way to go today.

[Lathum]

Unvote St. Cronin
Vote DaddyTorgo

This seems an obvious bad guy ploy to try and get St. Cronin to gang up on me. I recognize it because I have been there many times before.

I say we lynch DT, and LSG duels NTN and we double our chances to win tonight.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by BrianD

I can confirm that ntndeacon did get a female visitor last night, but I would point out that last night was the first night we only had one kill.

This looks important. This was the same night Blade was most likely converted.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Unvote St. Cronin
Vote DaddyTorgo

This seems an obvious bad guy ploy to try and get St. Cronin to gang up on me. I recognize it because I have been there many times before.

I say we lynch DT, and LSG duels NTN and we double our chances to win tonight.

This pushing for a duel makes me nervous. If you're the last badguy, you obviously would want as many duels between Cardinals as possible.

[st.cronin]

unvote DaddyTorgo
vote Lathum

[Fouts]

Night 1 - 2 deaths (throat slit & poison)
Night 2 - 3 deaths (sword hole, musketeer + vicious)
Night 3 - 1 death (multiple stab wounds, possible conversion) cw lynched next day
Night 4 - 2 deaths (dismembered, poison?) lynch blade next day
Night 5 - 1 death (beheaded... more wine mentioned)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This pushing for a duel makes me nervous. If you're the last badguy, you obviously would want as many duels between Cardinals as possible.

That would be an extremly stupid ploy on my part. I am just looking at the numbers.

Right now we are assuming we are at a 5-1 ratio.

If we lynch a good guy tonight we are at a 4-1 ratio

That leaves us 3-1 tomorrow and if we lynch the wrong person tomorrow then it's game over.

.............................................

Look at it like this...
5-1 today
We kill 2 tonight we are at 3-1
after a night kill it will be 2-1 and the game still ends tomorrow.


Either way the game ends tomorrow but with 2 kills today and only 3 people alive tomorrow it gives us a much better chance to root out the bad guy left.

It gives us a much better chance to end the game with a lynch instead of letting the last bad guy end it with his night kill...

[Lathum]

dola- I'm leaving in a few minutes for a christmas party and will be gone long after the lynch. In my own defense look at my record of voting and of going after Blade and CW. I have done nothing but help us the whole game.

And to everyone left, look at the numbers, If we do it my way we leave a MUCH better chance to nail the last bad guy before he nails us.

[DaddyTorgo]

Lathum...I freely admitted that I was being absolutely 100% honest and that people might not like it. Honestly I would be happy making a push at anyone down in that section of my list that you are in, so if you have any other suggestions I am more than open to them.

For the time being though, to support St. Cronin and so we can hopefully get something going in the < 3 hours till lynch...

VOTE LATHUM

I don't know that you are bad Lathum, but I also know that I only completely trust myself, and only have a good deal of trust in Fouts. Sorry if you are a fellow guardsman.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- I'm leaving in a few minutes for a christmas party and will be gone long after the lynch. In my own defense look at my record of voting and of going after Blade and CW. I have done nothing but help us the whole game.

And to everyone left, look at the numbers, If we do it my way we leave a MUCH better chance to nail the last bad guy before he nails us.

i think it's clear there are two bad guys left though lathum. one poisoner and one brutalizer.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

This pushing for a duel makes me nervous. If you're the last badguy, you obviously would want as many duels between Cardinals as possible.

Fouts- I see your point but if I was a bad guy I would make this move tomorrow when I had a chance to end the game.

We would be at a 3-1 ration tomorrow and I would still have to sweat out a lynch vote if I was bad. This is an end game move a bad guy would make, just a day later. As a bad guy I would stand nothing to gain by a duel today but everything to gain by one tomorrow.

[Lathum]

how convienient DT votes me as I say I am leaving for the night. I've done my best to help us win and can't drfend myself so I am out. Do what you think is right.

[DaddyTorgo]

lathum. i was typing that post before you posted that you were out for the night.

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

in fact check the timestamps. i voted for you before you said you were going out. nice try though.