Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899 - Page 40

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No rush on me either? I was thinking I'd get a lot of opinions on this, but I don't see many coming. Maybe it's because I'm putting off my work and keep hopping over here every minute or so. Anyway, I'm thinking maybe I'll wait until after lunch to decide, unless people feel like it should be done sooner.

nah, no rush

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I spent my time underground with Kim Bauer but now feel unclean when CR's name got attached to her.

(okay, that one may not be true)

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No rush on me either? I was thinking I'd get a lot of opinions on this, but I don't see many coming. Maybe it's because I'm putting off my work and keep hopping over here every minute or so. Anyway, I'm thinking maybe I'll wait until after lunch to decide, unless people feel like it should be done sooner.

I think finding a comment of henry's to test is more useful than one for EagleFan to put that whole theory to bed but I'm not sure if that's the consensus or not. EF just made it pretty easy, though my only concern would be if he's not a "wolf" but a member of the conspiracy (I'm sure the GM's would be able to clarify if the term wolf=conspiracy for these purposes). I'll go back and try to find something testable from henry.

Thomkal · 07-10-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Oooohh, I have another one you can test.

The Mets Suck!!!!!

As a Cardinals fan, I can tell you that you are telling the truth there.

hoopsguy · 07-10-2009, 12:07 PM

It is hard to find something that is agreed upon by Cubs and Cards fans, but I think we have one here. Absolutely truthful statement - soothsayer not required.

ISiddiqui · 07-10-2009, 12:09 PM

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:12 PM

henry, you're a cagey bastard.

Not much to go on by his statements, I've bolded below the one I think is most applicable.

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Originally Posted by henry296

Let me try to go through this systematically.

1. Danny - High Trust, turned in CR
3. TheJackal - Potential wolf, no vote
6. Passacaglia - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
7. Autumn - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
8. Schmidty - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
10. PurdueBrad - Good vote for Telle
12. BrianD - Recovering from torture - presumed good based on DT interrogation
13. nfg22 - Disciplinary action - good voted for Telle
14. ISiddiqui - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
15. DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer - GOOD
16. ntndeacon- Good, voted for Telle
17. Saldana - Good, voted for Telle
19. Kingfc22 - Potential wolf, no vote but was voting for CR
20. Thomkal - Potential wolf, didn't vote for Telle
22. path12 - Good, voted for Telle
23. henry296 - GOOD
24. eaglefan - Potential wolf, no vote but his distrust of CR makes him good in my eyes).

We probably should add Jackal and Schmidty to list of potential wolves b/c the others who didn't vote either have good reasons or had originally votes for CR.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

It is hard to find something that is agreed upon by Cubs and Cards fans, but I think we have one here. Absolutely truthful statement - soothsayer not required.

Too late, I already sent the PM

(j/k)

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

It is time to reveal.

I am Renee Walker an FBI agent. My power gives me the ability to learn about the voters the first time I vote to lynch a villager. In addition if I cast the last vote that causes the deadline to learn the name of a someone who voted with me. The information that I'm given is how many members of the conspiracy voted with me. In this case there were no members of the conspiracy who voted with me.

path, this one was the one I was thinking of.

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 12:18 PM

Af of 1961 (correct me if I missed anything):

Thom 5 (31%) - henry (1711), PB (1713), king (1746), saldana (1758), ntn (1762)
henry 1 (6%) - EF (1783)
EF 2 (13%)- DT (1850), IS (1917)

Yet to vote:
TheJackal, Passacaglia, Autumn, Schmidty, BrianD, nfg22, Thomkal, path12

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

path, this one was the one I was thinking of.

That's a good one too because it gets me off the list.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:20 PM

I've never had a soothsayer role before. I don't think it would play to my strengths.

Now that I think about it, there's not much about WW that plays to my strengths.

hoopsguy · 07-10-2009, 12:21 PM

I bet the Plutonium role would have been right in your wheelhouse, path.

Thomkal · 07-10-2009, 12:22 PM

Checking in here-I'm not likely to be around much this afternoon, but wanted to state that I stand by what I said yesterday after the lynch-I voted for Jackal because he was another suspect on Danny's list, a list and theory I agreed with. There were already votes on his #1 suspect, nfg, so didn't want to create a runaway vote on him.

I also thought Danny was being played by the wolves when he said he got a PM saying Chief Rum was evil just as there was going to be enough votes to lynch Telle. Therefore I did not move to Chief Rum and was waiting to see if the person who gave him the information came forward so I could believe his claim more strongly. That info did not come out, so I stayed where I was. I should have moved to Telle from Jackal I guess, but that likely would have made me suspect anyway since Telle has been revealed as a government worker. It was just poor judgement on my part, not anything wolfy.

PurdueBrad · 07-10-2009, 12:24 PM

The above is the one thing that makes me doubt my Thomkal vote. I thought Danny was being played as well by somebody trying to make a late push at saving somebody so I didn't move off of Telle. For now, I'll stay where I'm at but am open to some of our other options as well.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I bet the Plutonium role would have been right in your wheelhouse, path.

I woulda kicked ass with the Clock as well. Poli keeps missing the second beat.

Autumn · 07-10-2009, 12:35 PM

I can't see voting for someone because they didn't move to Telle. Obviously no one should have moved to Telle. Reading it after the fact I didn't really understand the surge, and if it wasn't for Henry's reveal I'd be assuming it was done by a pack of wolves. I can sympathize with EF's doubts because it seems impossible to think there's not a wolf in there on a runaway on a random villager.

hoopsguy · 07-10-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I woulda kicked ass with the Clock as well. Poli keeps missing the second beat.

There is also a heartbeat sound that is behind the tick/beep sound that has never been very well represented by the clock.

There have not been any silent clocks, no split-screens focusing in on the characters, no speeding up of the clock at any point, no sound of crashing glass ... bottom line, I think that the clock role has been butchered all game long.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

DT, I think the problem with your list is it highlights the ones you are least suspicious of instead of hte inverse. If I could, let me rewrite it:

1. Thomkal, Jackal, Kingfc22, EagleFan, ISiddiqui
2. Autumn
3. Path
4. Pass/Saldana

I've been looking back at posts from this list. If you go back to yesterday and relook at the Thomkal/Danny interactions during the day it does not look nearly as damning as Danny thought it did in the moment (to me, anyway).

I'm also willing to give king a day or two to see how that whole nfg thing works out. I do not get a bad vibe from EagleFan.

My vote will most likely be from this group: Jackal, ISiddiqui and Autumn.

Going through back posts is so much easier with the low posters.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There is also a heartbeat sound that is behind the tick/beep sound that has never been very well represented by the clock.

There have not been any silent clocks, no split-screens focusing in on the characters, no speeding up of the clock at any point, no sound of crashing glass ... bottom line, I think that the clock role has been butchered all game long.

Don't you hate designing a role and seeing it go so horribly, horribly wrong?

Barkeep49 · 07-10-2009, 12:59 PM

We haven't talked about this much, but the clock role was my baby (plutonium was hoops') and so it is I who is suffering here path.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I don't really want to vote for path, he keeps being targeted early in games and not getting a chance to play, and he's definitely a damned useful villager. I'd rather give him a pass on day 1.

This was an incredibly insightful comment. I'm convinced Jackal is good now.

I kid.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

We haven't talked about this much, but the clock role was my baby (plutonium was hoops') and so it is I who is suffering here path.

I'm sorry to hear that, BK. The anguish shows in your comment.

I think you're getting short shrift here BTW for your efforts. I want you to know that I see both you and hoops as a giant combined galaxy of GMness and appreciate your efforts.

Oh, how did the over/under of 3 on the PM box clearance turn out?

Barkeep49 · 07-10-2009, 01:10 PM

I had to empty my box twice yesterday. In other words, over in a landslide. Just like I predicted. Alas I couldn't get anyone to actually book the bet.

path12 · 07-10-2009, 01:23 PM

Add Schmidty to the list of my possible votes.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I misunderstood this to be a seer type of role.

In that case I will gladly submit more statements to observation.

I am Tony.

I have an additional win condition to outlive someone but I don't know who that player's identity actually is.

I am not a wolf.

I am not a cunning wolf.

I had the ability to go underground to obtain a list of potential suspects.

I spent my time underground with Kim Bauer but now feel unclean when CR's name got attached to her.

(okay, that one may not be true)

I have no idea what the cunning wolves PM says.

I have no idea what any of the wolves PM say.

I only know what Tony's (my) PM says and it is not a conspiracy PM.

One thing that worries me about these statements, EF, is that you say wolf instead of conspiracy in a lot of them.

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 01:35 PM

So basically: My last two games:

1) I pick up on PB as a potential wolf based on a move he makes then pick up on Lathum as a potential convert. Neither gets listened to. End results, PB wolf, Lathum convert.

2) I pick up on a play that I believe is being made by the cunning in the reveal game. Same result with no one listening. End result, dead on accurate.

Now I am concerned about a potential traitor play but again no one seems to want to entertain that thought. I hope for our sake that I am wrong. People wonder why I am frustrated?

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

One thing that worries me about these statements, EF, is that you say wolf instead of conspiracy in a lot of them.

Part of that problem is that I don;t know what the cunning role is so how accurate is cunning conspirator. I'll make a few more with conspiracy in place.

I have no idea what the cunning role's PM says.

I have no idea what the conspiracy roles' PM's say.

I am not in the conspiracy.

Anything else that you would like?

The Penguins will not make the Stanley Cup finals next year.

Sidney Crosby is a wuss.

The Yankees suck!!!

"Big Ben" did not get that ball across the goal line.

Manny Ramirez is a cheating punk.

Corzine is an idiot who is out of touch with the real world.

PurdueBrad · 07-10-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

The Penguins will not make the Stanley Cup finals next year.

Sidney Crosby is a wuss.

"Big Ben" did not get that ball across the goal line.

What worries me with your statements here EF is that you are obviously delusional and simply trying to hurt me.

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

What worries me with your statements here EF is that you are obviously delusional and simply trying to hurt me.

No hurt intended.

Schmidty · 07-10-2009, 02:02 PM

Ok. I've a lot of the past few pages, even though it looks it's a tag-along vote, I'm still going with Thomkal unless someone can give me a reason not to.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 02:05 PM

VOTE EAGLEFAN

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Add Schmidty to the list of my possible votes.

not unless he's the cunning.

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

VOTE EAGLEFAN

did you get a reply?

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 02:07 PM

or wait - were you testing henry?

DaddyTorgo · 07-10-2009, 02:08 PM

*confusion reigns in my brain*

ISidiqqui - i didn't get a chance to look at PM's from earlier in the game - this has turned into the busy-friday from hell. i will look after work

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

or wait - were you testing henry?

I went with EF instead, and got a reply.

ISiddiqui · 07-10-2009, 02:11 PM

[quote=DaddyTorgo;2069792ISidiqqui - i didn't get a chance to look at PM's from earlier in the game - this has turned into the busy-friday from hell. i will look after work[/quote]

Can understand that entirely

.

Hey, sometimes I gotta work too

.

Poli · 07-10-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

bottom line, I think that the clock role has been butchered all game long.

!!

ISiddiqui · 07-10-2009, 02:11 PM

dammit, quote box

Poli · 07-10-2009, 02:14 PM

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

What do you mean you identified a wolf?

You're first just because I"ve had you as a suspect for a while, as did a bunch of people including Danny. The rest of the list aren't people that I've seen anyone targeting until now, seems unlikely all the wolves are UTR. There was more in the action last night that made me wonder about you as well.

I just meant that while I was under pressure, I was finally asked to vote for who I thought was a wolf, ignoring any self-defense voting or whatever, and I voted for CR. Fairly early. My vote was on him most of the day, and I only switched off because no one was really taking a CR vote seriously until Danny's reveal. In the meantime CR and I had agreed to switch to Telle in the thread (kind of a bad idea for two wolves to communicate like that, wouldn't you say?) so as to save ourselves, and I agreed since I had some suspicion on Telle, though I think I even noted I thought it was likelier CR was a wolf. And look what happened - CR is a wolf.

Even Danny, who was probably the hardest after me said after the lynch that he thought I was probably telling the truth.

What do I have to do? I understand if we get near the end and there's 1-2 wolves left and I'm still uncleared (which I hope isn't the case), but when there's still around 4, I'm really the first person you're going to go after?

Still catching up, just responding to posts as I go.

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Poli

But the time is not moving...

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I went with EF instead, and got a reply.

Care to elaborate? I call BS.

I am not a wolf.

Poli · 07-10-2009, 02:19 PM

Beep, beep, beep, beep...

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

The Penguins will not make the Stanley Cup finals next year.

Sidney Crosby is a wuss.

These I agree with!

The Jackal · 07-10-2009, 02:21 PM

So, Pass just did a one line vote after supposedly using his soothsayer ability?

EagleFan · 07-10-2009, 02:21 PM

Put my theory to the test. It's all I ask and I have asked so little this game.

Passacaglia · 07-10-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

So, Pass just did a one line vote after supposedly using his soothsayer ability?

What do you want, a five paragraph essay?

kingfc22 · 07-10-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Ah yes, one of those "can't be disproven" ones. It would have been helpful to have that power though ;-)

I'm not sold on King, myself. I'd have to go back and look but I didn't notice anyone worried about nfg at the time, and so it seems a rather random thing to do. A good way to buy favor maybe, but an odd choice when he could have consulted with Jack about such a useful power. Could very well be a way to use it up publicly without having to worry about being asked to use it on a wolf.

You even voted him before I did on Day 3 and he was up to 5 votes including danny (good), PB (good via henry), jackal (put CR up by one with his vote, I presume good), and myself

Unvote Thomkal
Vote Autumn

Let's go back to early on. Autumn PM'd two government agents, nfg (who we know is good now with henry's intel) and myself, asking for our character names with DT mentioned in the PM as well.

Good play for a wolf as if they wound a character name that they liked they could have easily killed them off and took over that persona.

Also Autumn didn't vote for CR.

07-10-2009, 12:09 PM	#1956
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	__________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-10-2009, 12:20 PM	#1962
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I've never had a soothsayer role before. I don't think it would play to my strengths. Now that I think about it, there's not much about WW that plays to my strengths. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-10-2009, 01:23 PM	#1975
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Add Schmidty to the list of my possible votes. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

07-10-2009, 02:02 PM	#1981
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok. I've a lot of the past few pages, even though it looks it's a tag-along vote, I'm still going with Thomkal unless someone can give me a reason not to. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-10-2009, 02:07 PM	#1985
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	or wait - were you testing henry? __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 12:07 PM	#1955
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	It is hard to find something that is agreed upon by Cubs and Cards fans, but I think we have one here. Absolutely truthful statement - soothsayer not required.

07-10-2009, 12:18 PM	#1960
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Af of 1961 (correct me if I missed anything): Thom 5 (31%) - henry (1711), PB (1713), king (1746), saldana (1758), ntn (1762) henry 1 (6%) - EF (1783) EF 2 (13%)- DT (1850), IS (1917) Yet to vote: TheJackal, Passacaglia, Autumn, Schmidty, BrianD, nfg22, Thomkal, path12

07-10-2009, 12:21 PM	#1963
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I bet the Plutonium role would have been right in your wheelhouse, path.

07-10-2009, 12:22 PM	#1964
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Checking in here-I'm not likely to be around much this afternoon, but wanted to state that I stand by what I said yesterday after the lynch-I voted for Jackal because he was another suspect on Danny's list, a list and theory I agreed with. There were already votes on his #1 suspect, nfg, so didn't want to create a runaway vote on him. I also thought Danny was being played by the wolves when he said he got a PM saying Chief Rum was evil just as there was going to be enough votes to lynch Telle. Therefore I did not move to Chief Rum and was waiting to see if the person who gave him the information came forward so I could believe his claim more strongly. That info did not come out, so I stayed where I was. I should have moved to Telle from Jackal I guess, but that likely would have made me suspect anyway since Telle has been revealed as a government worker. It was just poor judgement on my part, not anything wolfy.

07-10-2009, 12:24 PM	#1965
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	The above is the one thing that makes me doubt my Thomkal vote. I thought Danny was being played as well by somebody trying to make a late push at saving somebody so I didn't move off of Telle. For now, I'll stay where I'm at but am open to some of our other options as well.

07-10-2009, 12:35 PM	#1967
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I can't see voting for someone because they didn't move to Telle. Obviously no one should have moved to Telle. Reading it after the fact I didn't really understand the surge, and if it wasn't for Henry's reveal I'd be assuming it was done by a pack of wolves. I can sympathize with EF's doubts because it seems impossible to think there's not a wolf in there on a runaway on a random villager.

07-10-2009, 12:59 PM	#1971
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	We haven't talked about this much, but the clock role was my baby (plutonium was hoops') and so it is I who is suffering here path.

07-10-2009, 01:10 PM	#1974
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I had to empty my box twice yesterday. In other words, over in a landslide. Just like I predicted. Alas I couldn't get anyone to actually book the bet.

07-10-2009, 01:35 PM	#1977
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	So basically: My last two games: 1) I pick up on PB as a potential wolf based on a move he makes then pick up on Lathum as a potential convert. Neither gets listened to. End results, PB wolf, Lathum convert. 2) I pick up on a play that I believe is being made by the cunning in the reveal game. Same result with no one listening. End result, dead on accurate. Now I am concerned about a potential traitor play but again no one seems to want to entertain that thought. I hope for our sake that I am wrong. People wonder why I am frustrated?

07-10-2009, 02:05 PM	#1982
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	VOTE EAGLEFAN

07-10-2009, 02:08 PM	#1986
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	confusion reigns in my brain ISidiqqui - i didn't get a chance to look at PM's from earlier in the game - this has turned into the busy-friday from hell. i will look after work __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

07-10-2009, 02:11 PM	#1988
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	[quote=DaddyTorgo;2069792ISidiqqui - i didn't get a chance to look at PM's from earlier in the game - this has turned into the busy-friday from hell. i will look after work[/quote] Can understand that entirely . Hey, sometimes I gotta work too . __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-10-2009, 02:11 PM	#1990
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	dammit, quote box __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

07-10-2009, 02:14 PM	#1991
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	__________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-10-2009, 02:19 PM	#1995
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Beep, beep, beep, beep... __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum. Last edited by Poli : 07-10-2009 at 02:19 PM. Reason: Beep, beep, beep, beep...

07-10-2009, 02:21 PM	#1997
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	So, Pass just did a one line vote after supposedly using his soothsayer ability?

07-10-2009, 02:21 PM	#1998
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Put my theory to the test. It's all I ask and I have asked so little this game.

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