WW CXXXIX - The Red Death II - GAME OVER, SERVANTS WIN

[dzilla77]

That looks like 7-6 RA

[dzilla77]

bug hasn't voted yet

[MrBug708]

Smart idea

[b] vote Chief Rum[b]

[MrBug708]

Ah... vote Chief

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Ah... vote Chief

I hope this means you'll scan me tonight.

[CrimsonFox]

Bug 1 - Eaglefan (1758)
raiders 7 - Thomkal (1708) Autumn (1725) Jackal (1760), dzilla (1889), CF (1891) Chief Rum (1945) mckerney (1947)
crimsonfox 1 - Dubb (1769)
eaglefan 6 - hoops (1784) gramma (1819) Narcizo (1829) j23 (1837) SnDvls (1845) Raiders (1876)
Chief Rum 1 - MrBug (1954)

[Commo_Soldier]

8 Thomkal - EF, mrbug, zinto, mauboy, dzilla, mckerney, RA, chief
1 EF - Narcizo
11 zinto - commo, hoops, sndvls, dubb, grammaticus, J23, thomkal, danny, autumn, CF, jackal

CF votes Mrbug(1) 1209
Thomkal votes mauboy(1) 1239
EF votes thomkal(1) 1241
jackal votes mrbug(2) 1244
thomkal unvotes mauboy(0) 1255
autumn votes J23(1) 1264
sndvls votes EF(1) 1266
narc votes EF(2) 1271
danny votes zinto(1) 1305
commo votes zinto(2) 1322
sndvls unvotes EF(1) 1325
hoops votes zinto(3) 1345
J23 votes mrbug(3) 1347
Sndvls votes zinto(4) 1351
zinto votes eaglefan(1) 1372
dubb votes zinto(5) 1375
grammaticus votes zinto(6) 1380
thomkal votes mrbug(4) 1383
danny unvotes zinto(5) 1387
danny votes thomkal(2) 1387
cF unvotes mrbug(3) 1389
cf votes thomkal(3) 1389
jackal unvotes mrbug(2) 1398
jackal votes thomkal(4) 1398
j23 unvotes mrbug(1) 1401
j23 votes zinto(6) 1401
mrbug votes thomkal(5) 1402
zinto unvotes eaglefan(0) 1405
zinto votes thomkal(6) 1405
mauboy votes thomkal(7) 1407
danny unvotes thomkal(6) 1417
danny votes zinto(7) 1417
dzilla votes thomkal(7) 1431
mckerney votes thomkal(8) 1438
danny unvotes zinto(6) 1442
danny votes j23(2) 1442
crimson unvotes thomkal(7) 1445
cf votes j23(3) 1445
thomkal unvotes mrbug(0) 1468
thomkal votes zinto(7) 1468
danny unvotes J23(2) 1472
danny votes zinto(8) 1472
autumn unvotes J23(1) 1478
autumn votes zinto(9) 1478
CF unvotes J23(0) 1484
CF votes thomkal(8) 1484
RA votes thomkal(9) 1494
chief votes thomkal(10) 1523
CF unvotes thomkal(9) 1526
CF votes zinto(10) 1526
jackal unvotes thomkal(8) 1533
jackal votes zinto(11) 1533

[dzilla77]

Hmm, EF is still on bug instead of self defense

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by dzilla77

I don't think it is. In the exorcist description from page 1 both terms are used:

The problem is there is no other role that could uncorrupt someone, that is why I think they may be the same.

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

The Minister – You are an ordained minister and your faith in God, despite the presence of the Red Death, is enough to keep you from succumbing to the Red Death. You cannot be corrupted. Additionally, if you are night attacked by a vampire, you will kill the vampire.


The Exorcist – Like the Minister, you are also immune to corruption. Once per night, you can Exorcize a person. If they are possessed, they will stop being possessed, and will re-convert to the Lightbringers. This is dangerous to you. That person will be Exorcized in the thread, and it will be known they were once possessed. New rules for that player will be given to that player, in this event. They will gain a new, hidden role, The Exorcized, with its own powers and restrictions. You are immune to attack from minor undead, and will automatically defeat any minor undead attack (vampires are not minor undead, but zombies, skeletons, etc. are)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

The problem is there is no other role that could uncorrupt someone, that is why I think they may be the same.

Why do you think corruption can be undone? Conversion generally means joining the wolf team. Once you know who the wolves are you can't really be unconverted.

Possession can be undone because I assume you don't know the wolves when you're possessed, you probably just lose control of your vote.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Why do you think corruption can be undone? Conversion generally means joining the wolf team. Once you know who the wolves are you can't really be unconverted.

Possession can be undone because I assume you don't know the wolves when you're possessed, you probably just lose control of your vote.

Ah I see what you're saying. Yeah for Evil dead game I definitely did not include a way to get UNwolfed BECAUSE of that. That you'd know the wolves.

So exorcism just removed possessed folks and possessed folks then probably are wolves that don't know other wovles (LIke the ROUS in Princess Bride) or else like you say autumn they just can't control their vote (like zinto in evil dead)

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by dzilla77

Hmm, EF is still on bug instead of self defense

I'll move if needed. I like having my vote "out of play" so I still feel like I can make a defensive move if need be.

[mauchow]

Any thoughts on a tie tonight?

I have no feelings on either of these candidates really.

I may still change it but to avoid a tie at the moment, I'll go:

vote raiders

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

Any thoughts on a tie tonight?

I have no feelings on either of these candidates really.

I may still change it but to avoid a tie at the moment, I'll go:

vote raiders

I think it 8-6 in favor of RA. Danny wanted a tie last night because he was really sure that we had wolf in Zinto. I don't have that strong a feeling on either of these so I don't think a tie is good.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Why do you think corruption can be undone? Conversion generally means joining the wolf team. Once you know who the wolves are you can't really be unconverted.

Possession can be undone because I assume you don't know the wolves when you're possessed, you probably just lose control of your vote.

Makes sense, that is why I thought converted wolves couldn't PM. I was thinking because they might be able to convert every night it could quickly become the wolves advantage without being able to bring them back.

[Commo_Soldier]

Why are we on EF over chief? His vote could have swayed it to Thomakal yesterday with only 9 minutes left. I know he said he had suspicions and would bring them up, and I may have missed them, but I haven't seen what they were.

[Commo_Soldier]

Vote CR

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Why are we on EF over chief? His vote could have swayed it to Thomakal yesterday with only 9 minutes left. I know he said he had suspicions and would bring them up, and I may have missed them, but I haven't seen what they were.

I think Chief is at least as good a vote as EF, sure. A few people tried to get him running, but he just never got the numbers.

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think Chief is at least as good a vote as EF, sure. A few people tried to get him running, but he just never got the numbers.

I had a vote on him before I realized nobody else had voted for him. I like him for a wolf better than RA, but RA could be corrupted.

[Commo_Soldier]

I guess I could see a case for EF, just have slightly better vibes off of him over CR. Also what do we think of a tie? I really don't think RA is a villager, others are crap shoot, but have 20% chance at surviving. Additionally I think it was CF who thought he had a plus one, maybe he can be on RA and if it works than at least he gets lynched, if not and another person gets lynched, we know there is something strange going on.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by dzilla77

I had a vote on him before I realized nobody else had voted for him. I like him for a wolf better than RA, but RA could be corrupted.

I think RA was corrupted after the Day 1 vote.

[Autumn]

I wouldn't cry if we had a tie - I think one or more of CR, EF and RA must be wolves, and unless something becomes obvious in the voting, or they get scanned, I'm going to feel like i have to go through them all one by one. That said, if we can keep the villager ones alive and figure them out without killing them, that's good.

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I guess I could see a case for EF, just have slightly better vibes off of him over CR. Also what do we think of a tie? I really don't think RA is a villager, others are crap shoot, but have 20% chance at surviving. Additionally I think it was CF who thought he had a plus one, maybe he can be on RA and if it works than at least he gets lynched, if not and another person gets lynched, we know there is something strange going on.

That's an interesting theory. I am not as sure, but if others buy in I'd like to move off RA to a non-lynch victim in case of a brutal.

[Autumn]

MrBug - EF
RAider's Army - Thomkal, Autumn, jackal, dzilla, CF, chief, mckerney, mauboy
Chief Rum - mrbug, commo
Crimsonfox - Dubb
EagleFan - Hoops, grammaticus, Narcizo, J23, sndvls, RA

[hoopsguy]

Chasing the corrupted folks when we still have something like 16 people in the game doesn't make a ton of sense for me. I know we need to factor that in at some point, but it still feels a little early for me to make that a priority.

[dubb93]

I don't feel like EF is a wolf or I would consider moving my vote to create a tie. I think I will leave it on CF unless there is a valid reason I shouldn't. I think between him and Hoops we are 50/50 on hitting a wolf.

[Autumn]

Who knows, in this game, but in this forum GMs rarely use the rule that brutals can only kill one of their voters.

[dubb93]

I would be willing to go CR though.

[hoopsguy]

There still seem to be a lot of votes left in play at this point - should be interesting to see how these shake out as the deadline approaches.

[dubb93]

Unvote CF
Vote Chief Rum

Any takers?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I would be willing to go CR though.

I would probably go to CR over Raiders, following the logic of not trying to pick out the converted quite this early in the game.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chasing the corrupted folks when we still have something like 16 people in the game doesn't make a ton of sense for me. I know we need to factor that in at some point, but it still feels a little early for me to make that a priority.

Interesting, how many wolves do you think started the game? There have been three nights of possible corruptions now so if we started with 3 and their have been two corruptions then we would be wise to go for the numbers unless an original wolf becomes more obvious.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Why are we on EF over chief? His vote could have swayed it to Thomakal yesterday with only 9 minutes left. I know he said he had suspicions and would bring them up, and I may have missed them, but I haven't seen what they were.

There didn't seem to be a point in bringing up the vibe posts I saw by Thomkal,because it didn't make sense that a wolf (Zinto), or the wolves in general, would have set up Thomkal, a fellow wolf, as the alternative to Zinto.

[hoopsguy]

I'll play.

UNVOTE EF
VOTE CHIEF RUM

[CrimsonFox]

Bug 1 - Eaglefan (1758)
raiders 8 - Thomkal (1708) Autumn (1725) Jackal (1760), dzilla (1889), CF (1891) Chief Rum (1945) mckerney (1947) mauboy (1963)
crimsonfox 1 - Dubb (1769)
eaglefan 6 - hoops (1784) gramma (1819) Narcizo (1829) j23 (1837) SnDvls (1845) Raiders (1876)
Chief Rum 2 - MrBug (1954) Chief (1967)

[Chief Rum]

If you guys are going to come after me, do it now. Doing it at 6:59 helps no one.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

Interesting, how many wolves do you think started the game? There have been three nights of possible corruptions now so if we started with 3 and their have been two corruptions then we would be wise to go for the numbers unless an original wolf becomes more obvious.

I'm not sure - I think it would depend on if there are actual divisions among the Servants. But clearly more starting wolves = fewer potential conversions allowed, if Abe wants to get his balance right. And he has a good feel for that sort of stuff.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Bug 1 - Eaglefan (1758)
raiders 8 - Thomkal (1708) Autumn (1725) Jackal (1760), dzilla (1889), CF (1891) Chief Rum (1945) mckerney (1947) mauboy (1963)
crimsonfox 1 - Dubb (1769)
eaglefan 6 - hoops (1784) gramma (1819) Narcizo (1829) j23 (1837) SnDvls (1845) Raiders (1876)
Chief Rum 2 - MrBug (1954) Chief (1967)

CR 2nd vote is Commo. You made me go back and check why CR self voted

[dzilla77]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chasing the corrupted folks when we still have something like 16 people in the game doesn't make a ton of sense for me. I know we need to factor that in at some point, but it still feels a little early for me to make that a priority.

Corrupted or original doesn't really matter. Yeah an original probably has more power, but we will eventually see some wolfish moves trying to protect them.

[J23]

I'm here, but don't want to do the 5 minutes to swap game.

[CrimsonFox]

Bug 1 - Eaglefan (1758)
raiders 8 - Thomkal (1708) Autumn (1725) Jackal (1760), dzilla (1889), CF (1891) Chief Rum (1945) mckerney (1947) mauboy (1963)
eaglefan 5 - gramma (1819) Narcizo (1829) j23 (1837) SnDvls (1845) Raiders (1876)
Chief Rum 4 - MrBug (1954) Commo (1967) Dubb (1980) hoops (1984)

[CrimsonFox]

yeah thanks dubb. i've been doing that all game.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

If you guys are going to come after me, do it now. Doing it at 6:59 helps no one.

Is this the Lathum random/cryptic "Insert role here" defense?

[dzilla77]

Interesting nobody is moving of RA to CR (that includes me), but last time I move, it looked really bad.

[Commo_Soldier]

Originally Posted by J23

I'm here, but don't want to do the 5 minutes to swap game.

I'd like to see a tie with RA and hopefully CR, but EF I guess would be fine. I think CF should be on RA though so his +1 at least takes out RA if it works.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by dzilla77

Corrupted or original doesn't really matter. Yeah an original probably has more power, but we will eventually see some wolfish moves trying to protect them.

It isn't so much that, it is just that I would rather look at the bodies of work as a whole rather than try to guess when Player X would have been converted and when I need to stop valuing their actions.

If there is something that is hugely dramatic in terms of posts/votes, I don't want to ignore it. But I think it is generally tough, especially in a game with so many posts, to filter through individual players like that and have any real degree of confidence that they were converted and when it happened.

[MrBug708]

unvote chief

Vote ra

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Is this the Lathum random/cryptic "Insert role here" defense?

At this point, I wouldn't bother. If I get hung, there will be no time to unhang me. Maybe I'm vanilla, maybe I'm not.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Commo_Soldier

I'd like to see a tie with RA and hopefully CR, but EF I guess would be fine. I think CF should be on RA though so his +1 at least takes out RA if it works.

Did I miss where CF has a +1 vote?

[MrBug708]

My vote was a throwaway