Yet another school shooting.

[Lathum]

But books are dangerous...

[flere-imsaho]

It's easier to amass a large number of firearms in this country than reasonable quantities of effective nasal decongestant.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

But books are dangerous...

We have to protect kids from being groomed, we have to protect them from hearing about racism, we have to protect them from wearing masks, we have to protect them from books, we have to protect them from the lgtbq agenda, but we don't have to do fuck all about them getting shot in schools.

[RainMaker]

I can only assume the pro-life groups have spoken up about the leading cause of death among children in this country.

[larrymcg421]

Beto probably won't win, but earned a donation from me.

[RainMaker]

DPS Director Steve McGraw said twice that the cops were the ones who barricaded the shooter into a classroom.

That contradicts previous statements by other DPS spox, who said the gunman barricaded himself and immediately began shooting kids. https://t.co/OZO4JOJcwk

— Tess Owen (@misstessowen) May 25, 2022

[stevew]

I have a lot of questions about this time line. was he even targeting the school?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by stevew

I have a lot of questions about this time line. was he even targeting the school?

I just told my wife not 5 minutes ago that while some timeline discrepancies are expected in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, there's obvious desire by some of the people reporting info to frame this as "good guys with guns prevented a larger tragedy" and that I have a feeling an investigation is going tear that narrative apart.

[Atocep]

I guess when you stand up to the gun lobby and actually try something based on research it can work.

https://qz.com/1216653/britain-ended...utm_source=YPL

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by stevew

I have a lot of questions about this time line. was he even targeting the school?

This story says yes

Uvalde school shooter texted a teenaged girl 'Ima go shoot up a(n) elementary school' before massacre

[Atocep]

I take back saying the right isn't doing anything to protect school children.

Fox News Guest Suggests 'Ballistic Blankets' To Stop Children Getting Shot

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I just told my wife not 5 minutes ago that while some timeline discrepancies are expected in the immediate aftermath of a tragedy, there's obvious desire by some of the people reporting info to frame this as "good guys with guns prevented a larger tragedy" and that I have a feeling an investigation is going tear that narrative apart.

Yup. They already got caught lying about the body armor.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I take back saying the right isn't doing anything to protect school children.

Fox News Guest Suggests 'Ballistic Blankets' To Stop Children Getting Shot

The other suggestion making the rounds is having only one door in and out of the school which seems like a terrible fucking idea when the cops inevitably flee from the scene when they see a shooter.

[tarcone]

Go Steve Kerr!

We need an Amazing Grace and Chuck type movement to end this BS.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The other suggestion making the rounds is having only one door in and out of the school which seems like a terrible fucking idea when the cops inevitably flee from the scene when they see a shooter.

Every class should be just be in an Armored Personnel Carrier. Problem solved.

[RainMaker]

Two teachers gave their life protecting those kids as the cops cowered and hid.

[tarcone]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Every class should be just be in an Armored Personnel Carrier. Problem solved.

Shit yeah. I went to a couple classes in Jr. High in a trailer back in the late 70s.

[QuikSand]

Even if there were not human weaknesses/flaws with the "good guys" we want to give the guns to make this problem go away, there are other weaknesses in that argument:

The Dayton, Ohio shooting occurred right in front of cops and only lasted 32 seconds before the shooter was fatally shot. In those 32 seconds, he killed 9 and wounded 17. Yet jackasses here try to argue more guns is the answer.

— Trevor Chamberlain (@TCAllTheDanios) May 25, 2022

(countless variations on that message floating around, I assume they connect to actual facts but have no direct research to say so)

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Two teachers gave their life protecting those kids as the cops cowered and hid.

You should join the police and show them how it's done.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Even if there were not human weaknesses/flaws with the "good guys" we want to give the guns to make this problem go away, there are other weaknesses in that argument:

The Dayton, Ohio shooting occurred right in front of cops and only lasted 32 seconds before the shooter was fatally shot. In those 32 seconds, he killed 9 and wounded 17. Yet jackasses here try to argue more guns is the answer.

— Trevor Chamberlain (@TCAllTheDanios) May 25, 2022

(countless variations on that message floating around, I assume they connect to actual facts but have no direct research to say so)

9 died and 17 wounded but it could have been so much worse...

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

You should join the police and show them how it's done.

Nah, lets funnel some more money to those pussies to do jack shit when some 8 year olds are being slaughtered.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I like how Abbott wears a little fake sheriff costume for these press conferences

Was one of the first things I noticed.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Nah, lets funnel some more money to those pussies to do jack shit when some 8 year olds are being slaughtered.

Those officers shot and killed the murderer while you were hiding behind your keyboard.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Those officers shot and killed the murderer while you were hiding behind your keyboard.

No, a Border Patrol agent shot and killed the guy after 3 officers hid for AN HOUR as someone slaughtered a 4th grade class. It was two unarmed teachers who bravely shielded kids from gunfire.

When push came to shove, the folks that never shut the fuck up about the thin blue line hid in the parking lot for backup. They let him enter the school and then patiently waited as elementary school kids had their heads blown off. Those children's blood is on those boots you lick.

[RainMaker]

Dazzling performance by the boys in blue!

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-te...482483df6e4683

“Go in there! Go in there!” nearby women shouted at the officers soon after the attack began, said Juan Carranza, 24, who saw the scene from outside his house, across the street from Robb Elementary School in the town of Uvalde. Carranza said the officers did not go in.


Javier Cazares, whose fourth grade daughter, Jacklyn Cazares, was killed in the attack, said he raced to the school when he heard about the shooting, arriving while police were still massed outside the building.


Upset that police were not moving in, he raised the idea of charging into the school with several other bystanders.


“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to,” he said. “More could have been done.”

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

No, a Border Patrol agent shot and killed the guy after 3 officers hid for AN HOUR as someone slaughtered a 4th grade class. It was two unarmed teachers who bravely shielded kids from gunfire.

When push came to shove, the folks that never shut the fuck up about the thin blue line hid in the parking lot for backup. They let him enter the school and then patiently waited as elementary school kids had their heads blown off. Those children's blood is on those boots you lick.

...said the keyboard warrior

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

...said the keyboard warrior

I did as much as the local law enforcement from behind my keyboard 2000 miles away.

[NobodyHere]

Law enforcement went and killed the murderer

[cuervo72]

It's amazing how many guys are shown by the news on the scene with guns. So, either they didn't enter or they were just there after the fact?

[RainMaker]

Chilling article about the guy in DC who tried to pull a Vegas style shooting on a school. By some miracle, no one was killed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...hool-shooting/

[RainMaker]

Angel Garza, whose ten year old daughter Amerie was murdered, holding her photo to his heart:

"How do you look at this girl and shoot her? Oh, my baby. How do you shoot my baby?" pic.twitter.com/TKGDp81Pze

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) May 26, 2022

[RainMaker]

One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. Those cries.

This video make so much more sense now. The cops literally stopped parents from helping their kids. pic.twitter.com/zhQfUjlpjd https://t.co/DqgZUH3uCC

— Matt Novak (@paleofuture) May 26, 2022

[PilotMan]

Let's see what can I add.... hmm...

All part of God's plan in the end I guess. ��‍♂️

No point in going against that. He was probably using the gunman to punish the evil unbelievers. Or maybe the gunman remembered, before he got into the school, that all things are possible through God.

[GrantDawg]

Yet, the police chief admitted the officers went in and got their own kids out while the shooter was still active. They stayed outside for an hour while waiting for the SWAT team, and it was Border Patrol that actually did something. That whole police force stood their and let kids bleed out.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Yet, the police chief admitted the officers went in and got their own kids out while the shooter was still active. They stayed outside for an hour while waiting for the SWAT team, and it was Border Patrol that actually did something. That whole police force stood their and let kids bleed out.

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If this is accurate they should all be charged with one count of manslaughter per death

[albionmoonlight]

We know that the cops fucked up big time because we still don't know their names.

Normally when something like this happens and the cops actually do their jobs (or at least don't actively stop civilians from trying to help), the local media and politicians are putting them in front of a camera and demanding that we all worship the all-powerful armed agents of the state--blessed be their names.

Now? Crickets.

Texas will do its best to cover everything up. I hope that the Feds can find a way to get jurisdiction to investigate so that we can eventually learn what actually happened. And, if appropriate, punish those whose negligence made this so much worse than it needed to be.

[Swaggs]

One of the thing that I read, that is sticking with me, is that Americans need to see what the inside of those classrooms look like and what those poor children's bodies look like after incidents like this. Instead of showing cute pictures and videos of these kids playing and offering prayers for their families, show America what the inside of the rooms looked like, with their little bodies and blood. If we are a tough enough nation to have more guns than people and it is appropriate to show aborted fetuses, then show parents and grandparents and young people what it looks like after an automatic rifle tears through the body of child.

[QuikSand]

I detest that idea, but maybe its time has come. I don't know.

[Ksyrup]

God forbid, this ever happens to someone I love (and my wife is a sub and my older daughter is a teacher), I'll be the first to say - politicize the FUCK out of it. Because "thoughts and prayers" is, itself, a politicized response. That's one side's political position on the issue of gun violence.

[QuikSand]

Also, it's important that we all understand that these various calls for changes in cops and doors and whatever else -- all this is scripted theater, the people saying these things do not actually want them. It is merely the agreed-to talking point among gun defenders, they realize they look stupid and owned if they simply say "gun laws won't solve the problem" so instead they agree to pivot to nonsense, in an attempt to make this a both-sides situation where two reasonable groups of people simply have different views on how to solve the problem we all agree needs to be solved.

It's nonsense, it's evil, and it should be understood as such by everyone who is pissed off.

[Lathum]

Texas school shooting shows why arming teachers wouldn't have worked

[larrymcg421]

Arming teachers is such a ridiculously fucking stupid idea for a number of reasons. The article above is a great example. However, let's also think of the danger of now hundreds of guns in a school and the potential for a teacher to get disarmed (if this happens to officers, why wouldn't happen to teachers?). Finally, if this really is mainly a mental health problem (Arrested Development: "It isn't"), then do you think there are no teacher with mental health problems? And now you've just armed all of them.

I also love how we just don't have enough money for textbooks, facilities, or teacher salaries, but suddenly we have a ton of money to train and arm every teacher, or a ton of money to redesign every school with one entrance.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Also, it's important that we all understand that these various calls for changes in cops and doors and whatever else -- all this is scripted theater, the people saying these things do not actually want them. It is merely the agreed-to talking point among gun defenders, they realize they look stupid and owned if they simply say "gun laws won't solve the problem" so instead they agree to pivot to nonsense, in an attempt to make this a both-sides situation where two reasonable groups of people simply have different views on how to solve the problem we all agree needs to be solved.

It's nonsense, it's evil, and it should be understood as such by everyone who is pissed off.

This is a good point. When someone tries to engage you with "Arm the teachers" or other such nonsense, realize that they are basically indicating to you that they think you are an idiot. Life is too short to spend your time in discussion with people who have such contempt for your intelligence.

Just politely end the conversation.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

I detest that idea, but maybe its time has come. I don't know.

If you want to swing the needle this would probably be the most effective method.

There's no doubt in my mind that showing pictures of the aftermath would produce a Ray Rice effect.

[QuikSand]

Mitch McConnell: ‘Get Your Crying Done Now Because We’re Not Passing Shit’ https://t.co/rzw3qTQOtx pic.twitter.com/AUFYCGrBf6

— The Onion (@TheOnion) May 26, 2022

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

One of the thing that I read, that is sticking with me, is that Americans need to see what the inside of those classrooms look like and what those poor children's bodies look like after incidents like this. Instead of showing cute pictures and videos of these kids playing and offering prayers for their families, show America what the inside of the rooms looked like, with their little bodies and blood. If we are a tough enough nation to have more guns than people and it is appropriate to show aborted fetuses, then show parents and grandparents and young people what it looks like after an automatic rifle tears through the body of child.

I remember reading obits of the Vegas shooting victims and I could only get about 1/3 of the way thru because of how it humanized the tragedy so much more. And yeah it’s time to start showing pictures and videos of this stuff.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Arming teachers is such a ridiculously fucking stupid idea for a number of reasons. The article above is a great example. However, let's also think of the danger of now hundreds of guns in a school and the potential for a teacher to get disarmed (if this happens to officers, why wouldn't happen to teachers?). Finally, if this really is mainly a mental health problem (Arrested Development: "It isn't"), then do you think there are no teacher with mental health problems? And now you've just armed all of them.

I also love how we just don't have enough money for textbooks, facilities, or teacher salaries, but suddenly we have a ton of money to train and arm every teacher, or a ton of money to redesign every school with one entrance.

All of this.

I copied the article from a friends facebook wall and commented that the article could have been one sentence, because it is a stupid fucking idea...

[PilotMan]

Arm the kids...all of them....it's the only sane thing to do.

[PilotMan]

Seriously though I'll share what I shared to FB today (with a little crossover from my other post in the dumbass thread):

https://theconversation.com/a-quest-for-significance-gone-horribly-wrong-how-mass-shooters-pervert-a-universal-desire-to-make-a-difference-in-the-world-183199

Read that. It's not long; but here's the critical part of it if you don't:

The mainstream narrative that most of us follow promises significance and social worth as rewards for hard work, notable achievements and social service.

Yet there exist alternative narratives that offer tempting shortcuts to fame and glory. These identify an alleged villain, scheme or conspiracy that threaten one’s group – race, nation, or religion. The mortal danger being invoked calls for brave heroes willing to sacrifice all on the altar of the cause.

A striking example of such a narrative is the so-called “white replacement theory” that Gendron allegedly embraced. It is the idea that progressive leftists are planning to flood the country with people of color, aiming to disempower the white population and destroy its values and way of life.

The sense of existential danger this theory invokes fuels blind hatred against the alleged usurpers, and presumed conspirators, a loathing that overrides all restraints. It unleashes the rawest, most primordial impulses of which the human reptilian brain is capable. Murderous rage and mayhem are often the result.

----

And then there's this shockingly similar statement from a Republican state representative in Kentucky on why he was beaten in his primary by a more extreme candidate...and you can take that and apply it to the national political conversation. He said: “It’s all about getting people mad and angry. And making them feel like they’re getting screwed when they’re not,” Koenig said.

It's psychology people, and I'm not talking about the psychology as in crazy people and mental illness, I'm talking about how humans respond to stimuli and how they react to a feeling of feeling challenged and attacked. Shooters respond the same way...so do, lets say....people who feel cheated...and encourage other people to take up arms and fight on their behalf. It all means something. We're all wired essentially the same way. The psychological power of propaganda was used to drive the Germans into WW2, and it's used by Russia and China to dictate their desired spin to their public to garner support. It's dangerous and it's all ultimately connected via psychology. The guns are just the tool, an all too easy tool that extract catastrophic consequences on those of us who follow cultural idea that 'striving for our dreams' promises significance social worth as rewards for hard work, notable achievements and social service.

[thesloppy]

I "love" how many conservatives want to immediately pivot to mental health when the topic of gun control comes up, without even acknowledging that they're wholly responsible for that failure too.