Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Blade6119]

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

If you were DC, and knew Barkeep was poisoned, would you go looking in the area he confirmed he would be? I dont know if i would...i just dont know, so for now ill say DT..im very open to change here though

[st.cronin]

Blade, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think players pick their prostitutes, just an area. So it may have been just been random that DC ended up with Barkeep last night.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO

VOTE DODGERCHICK

Quick change, i know...the robbery is too much for me, seeing as how BrianD and mr.w(two of the killers other victims) were both robbed. I just cant get past that, on top of the fact she initially lied by omission about it.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Blade, somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think players pick their prostitutes, just an area. So it may have been just been random that DC ended up with Barkeep last night.

Yes, but it was widely known barkeep was going to be in whitechapel...my point was if i had poisoned him i wouldnt go there at all.

But, now i find it likely she poisoned him last night(cronin, know the rash?..that seems like something barkeep would have known about if it had been before tonight) and robbed him. I also find it likely dubb lied about it being slow-acting, but this implies communication. Im willing to accept this as the likely outcome right now

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Yes, but it was widely known barkeep was going to be in whitechapel...my point was if i had poisoned him i wouldnt go there at all.

But, now i find it likely she poisoned him last night(cronin, know the rash?..that seems like something barkeep would have known about if it had been before tonight) and robbed him. I also find it likely dubb lied about it being slow-acting, but this implies communication. Im willing to accept this as the likely outcome right now

Well ...

Either it was a slow acting poison or not. If it was, it could have been DC. If it wasn't, it could ONLY have been DC. So, either way, I think I'll need to be talked out of voting for her. In other words, we agree.

[Blade6119]

Cronin, what do you make of the line chief used to describe our chat with path...more to the point the second part, about possibility for error? I dont think he said that about swaggs or schmidty, which caught my eye when i read through.

[Blade6119]

you can answer in PM if you want cronin, dont feel obligated to respond here

[st.cronin]

No idea, really.

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I've seen three interrogations by you guys - Schmidty, Dubb, and Path. Both Dubb and Path seemed uncomfortable with the process. Schmidty was a quick conversation.

But Path also expressed innocence to me in the PM I got. Yet this was not his secret that I learned (important distinction) but instead I learned that he had been visited by the two of you. I wish Path would come back as an innocent on one of these visits as he has prostitutes at least three times without us getting the information Barkeep got on Bullet the first time out.

[BrianD]

Sweet, I can tap Barkeep now that he is dead.

[Blade6119]

My worry was he was a simple londoner, but has been converted...but of that im not sure...just a thought.

Im heading out for most of the day, ill see you all later

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

FWIW, I've seen three interrogations by you guys - Schmidty, Dubb, and Path. Both Dubb and Path seemed uncomfortable with the process. Schmidty was a quick conversation.

Now, that's actually kind of interesting. I don't know if it means anything, though.

[Izulde]

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

Furthermore, it would seem to me that dubb's comment about poisoning would indicate that it is in fact *not* an immediate kill, but one that builds up over time.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

hoops, you should be able to trust me from what I've written.

Anyhow, I see this as the situation:

1. LSG is good and there's another killer out there.
2. LSG is bad and there's another killer out there.
3. Path didn't lie when he said that someone was poisoned. DC backs this up with her write-up last night.
4. Path lied and nobody was poisoned. DC lies to cover up her murder.

1&2 are not mutually exclusive from 3&4 and vice versa.

You mean dubb instead of me here. I've never claimed anyone was poisoned.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Cronin, what do you make of the line chief used to describe our chat with path...more to the point the second part, about possibility for error? I dont think he said that about swaggs or schmidty, which caught my eye when i read through.

Did I not get cleared?? Crap. My PM does say that I was confused about why you wanted to talk to me and that I reluctantly agreed, but I assumed you were able to clear me from the conversation.

[path12]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I wish Path would come back as an innocent on one of these visits as he has prostitutes at least three times without us getting the information Barkeep got on Bullet the first time out.

I do too. Unfortunately, I now have no money at all, so I won't be able to clear myself tonight.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Izulde

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

By that same logic, it can't have been me based on the info bullet got from Barkeep night 1.

But I can only deal with the info or lack thereof that has come out. We've certainly got the margin for a bad lynch.

As for me, I think the fact that DC came right out and said she was with Barkeep when he died somewhat offsets the reluctance to mention the stealing. I'm going with the person who has never been vouched for by anyone and IIRC was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

VOTE DADDY TORGO
VOTE LYNCH LSG

[hoopsguy]

Raiders - earlier in the game (Day 2) you thought you had caught a hint about what DaddyTorgo's role might be.

DT - I think we are far enough along in the game where you can spill your role information to help us make an informed decision today. Including an updated timetable of your night activities, please.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

RIP SnDvls. You were in my circle of trust.

I have a theory why Lathum didn't get a kill on Night 1. He didn't kill because he was targeting hoops. hoops was in the Cavell district that night and Lathum was following him. At that point, Sherlock Holmes and Watson (I believe I know who you are) came up on him and chased him away. They interrogated ntndeacon instead.

Raiders, this is the piece of information I was wondering about earlier. I saw NTN, Blade, Cronin, and Lathum in Cavell but I did not see you. Were you in that district this evening? If so, did anyone else see RA there to vouch for this?

Blade, I haven't encountered Raiders at all this game which could be bad luck. But none of the prostitutes have which should mark him as a special - we can't all have had bad luck, right? You seem pretty comfortable with his role, which is good. Does the role you have him slotted for fit with having this kind of information on Night 1?

[Lorena]

Alright, give me a minute to catch up, I'll be answering questions as I come across them.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Izulde

VOTE PATH

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

Unless there's some type of conversion ability in the game, which I don't think it's been proven one way or the other that there is, it can't have been DC, circumstantial evidence aside.

Furthermore, it would seem to me that dubb's comment about poisoning would indicate that it is in fact *not* an immediate kill, but one that builds up over time.

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Raiders, this is the piece of information I was wondering about earlier. I saw NTN, Blade, Cronin, and Lathum in Cavell but I did not see you. Were you in that district this evening? If so, did anyone else see RA there to vouch for this?

Blade, I haven't encountered Raiders at all this game which could be bad luck. But none of the prostitutes have which should mark him as a special - we can't all have had bad luck, right? You seem pretty comfortable with his role, which is good. Does the role you have him slotted for fit with having this kind of information on Night 1?

While his theory is somewhat incorrect in my opinion, yes, for night one it makes very much sense. I cant really account for any other night though, and have trusted him all off of night 1.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

VOTE LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

VOTE LYNCH DADDYTORGO

If you were DC, and knew Barkeep was poisoned, would you go looking in the area he confirmed he would be? I dont know if i would...i just dont know, so for now ill say DT..im very open to change here though

Exactly Blade. If I poisoned Barkeep, why would I be dumb enough to go back to him and incriminate myself? We can choose 2 places to find prostitutes, I chose Commercial or Whitechapel. Since I've never been to Whitechapel, I figured maybe I'll find hoops (someone whom I haven't hooked up with) to have someone else to clear me. Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Did I not get cleared?? Crap. My PM does say that I was confused about why you wanted to talk to me and that I reluctantly agreed, but I assumed you were able to clear me from the conversation.

It said you were a simple londoner, yes...but unlike with swaggs, schmidty, ntn, and dubb it also stated we might be mistaken. It might just be flavor, but it was noteworthy...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Exactly Blade. If I poisoned Barkeep, why would I be dumb enough to go back to him and incriminate myself? We can choose 2 places to find prostitutes, I chose Commercial or Whitechapel. Since I've never been to Whitechapel, I figured maybe I'll find hoops (someone whom I haven't hooked up with) to have someone else to clear me. Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.

My thought now is the poison is quick acting, not slow acting..so you would have had to visit him to kill him tonight...just so you know why i swapped

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Well ...

Either it was a slow acting poison or not. If it was, it could have been DC. If it wasn't, it could ONLY have been DC. So, either way, I think I'll need to be talked out of voting for her. In other words, we agree.

Someon asked (not sure who) who DaddyTorgo visited. And this is something I saw for myself:

Night 2 - chose Izulde in Cavell
Night 4 - he wanted Barkeep, but I got him first... happened in Commercial District

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Sweet, I can tap Barkeep now that he is dead.

/ooc
This game is so full of quotables... I love it

[path12]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

/ooc
This game is so full of quotables... I love it

Like this?

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Unfortunately for me, I went with Barkeep and he died while had sex.

[Lorena]

LOL, I had my share of some crazy ass quotes huh?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I am again going to challenge anybody aside from DT that's voting for me to provide a justification for the vote.

There was a reference earlier that DT was trusted by MrW, so I went looking for it. This is the closest I can find. I believe it was motivated based on the fact that the two of them were in a run-off against each other rather than on any knowledge of DT as a force for good or evil.

So, Blade has indicated he still trusts RA which means that I will continue to trust him for today. Now I'm interested in what role RA thinks DaddyTorgo was hinting at and hopefully at what point he picked up on hints.

[st.cronin]

unvote Dodgerchick
vote path12

[hoopsguy]

Also, Izulde remains pretty high in my trust list. I don't see any way he could have killed Barkeep, although I do acknowledge there are scenarios where he could be on the side of the bad guys.

For last night, I saw Izulde at the start of the night (all three of us were in the same district) and at the end of the night when we discovered Barkeep.

I know my role does not allow me to visit a prostitute. I know Izulde started off as a prostitute. So I can't imagine he was able to visit Barkeep and poison during lovemaking - which is the death as described by Blade. I would be more concerned with him if we get to a point in the game where there are night kills and he does not have anyone coming forward reporting that they turned a trick.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.

Blade, so if I die and end up good, will you trust her then? Izulde has had my back THE ENTIRE GAME!!

Well, if something good comes out of my death, I hope one more person is cleared.

[Lorena]

Before I forget:

vote lynch lonestargirl

[Schmidty]

Sorry about disappearing. My internet did end up getting disconnected, so I'm having to connect on my laptop at the diner at the end of the street. Thank goodness they have free wireless.

Anyway, have a good game, and hopefully I'll have my service back soon so I can play again in the near future.

[Swaggs]

I'm not sure if I necessarily want the person who knows this answer to give it to us, but for the trusted of you who have already revealed, do you think there is a limit to the number of days that LSG can be jailed? Or does she need to be charged with a new crime each day she stays?

I am thinking the smart move here would be to keep her alive and vote for Dodgerchick today. Unless we can really pinpoint Barkeep's killer OR we get lucky and manage to lynch them, I think we will have a question as to DC's innocence.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So, Blade has indicated he still trusts RA which means that I will continue to trust him for today. Now I'm interested in what role RA thinks DaddyTorgo was hinting at and hopefully at what point he picked up on hints.

You should trust me. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised that you don't know what my role is. This isn't like the "you" of old. Blade and st. cronin figured it out.

Anyhow, I don't think I hinted at what DT's role was. If I did, then I definitely didn't know what I was talking about. I believe the only thing that I could deduce was that Mr. Wednesday trusted DT, dubb, and bulletsponge. By association, I trusted them. We all know what happened with dubb, so...

[Lorena]

Not that this means anything, but I am Anthony Guillory, a normal Londoner. The fishy smell wasn't the prostitutes, it was my clothing for I am a fisherman.

My role isn't important at all, so you will lose nothing. I'm just hoping that once I turn up good, that you'll at least trust Izulde since he KNOWS my role.

[Lorena]

I probably shouldn't of capitalized KNOW because my role isn't anything, just counts toward good side.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

You should trust me. As a matter of fact, I'm surprised that you don't know what my role is. This isn't like the "you" of old. Blade and st. cronin figured it out.

Anyhow, I don't think I hinted at what DT's role was. If I did, then I definitely didn't know what I was talking about. I believe the only thing that I could deduce was that Mr. Wednesday trusted DT, dubb, and bulletsponge. By association, I trusted them. We all know what happened with dubb, so...

Raiders, I'll have to go back again and look for the post, but I'm pretty sure you said something like "I don't catch a lot of hints, but I caught that one" to DT after he talked about being a trader.

In terms of your role, I've held onto the notion of you holding a specific role for the past couple of days and I still do. I'm much more interested in exploring DaddyTorgo than you today, but I did want assurances from Blade on people I had considered trusted coming into today. If we were on the same page, then I could spend my efforts working on the less trusted people (DT is one of those).

If my posts didn't convey this, then obviously I didn't type them all that well.

[Lorena]

Well, I was hoping on getting an answer from CR, but knowing blade, if I don't respond by the time he logs on, then he'll build a case against be based on the fact that I'm withholding information:
----------------------------------------------------

Night 0 - Start w/ 10 shilling, no action

Day 1 - Earn 3 shilling, total 13 shilling

Night 1 - Hired Izulde in Bishopsgate (- 5 shilling), was robbed and costed me (-3 shilling) to replace, have a total of 5.

Day 2 - Earn 3 shilling, total of 8 shilling

Night 2 - no action, looked for Izulde in Cavell but she went with DT instead, was not robbed and keep my 8 shilling.

Day 3 - Earn 3 shilling, total of 11 shilling

Night 3 - Go to Opium Den (-5), was robbed again, used (-3) of my shilling to replace, I have a total of 3 shilling.

Day 4 - Earn 3 shilling, 6 shilling total

------------------------------------

I'm stopping here, there seems to be a discrepancy with the amount of shilling I had after this night, so I need to confirm before I post anything.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Well, I was hoping on getting an answer from CR, but knowing blade, if I don't respond by the time he logs on, then he'll build a case against be based on the fact that I'm withholding information

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

so since you're here blade, is there anything (except the shilling part), you wanna ask me?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

so since you're here blade, is there anything (except the shilling part), you wanna ask me?

I already asked you the question i want to know, and you said you cant answer it until chief responds...its what prompted your unnecessary comment about me.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I already asked you the question i want to know, and you said you cant answer it until chief responds...its what prompted your unnecessary comment about me.

Did I strike a nerve? Sorry blade, but I kinda thought you'd bring this up and somehow hold it against me.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

Did I strike a nerve? Sorry blade, but I kinda thought you'd bring this up and somehow hold it against me.

I would only do that if i thought i had a bad guy and wanted votes quickly. I dont have any damning evidence of you, just a lot of circumstansial...i would not do something like that in this situation, especially not to a friend

[hoopsguy]

Is the amount of money stolen a variable amount?

[st.cronin]

ok trying again after my post got eaten by the tubes ...

Izulde can clear DC as of which night? Because if it's just night 1, that's not really that convincing.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Is the amount of money stolen a variable amount?

It has ALWAYS been 3 with me.

[DaddyTorgo]

summary??

oh and sorry I missed the hanging out last night...I was asleep at my computer at that point