12-12-2019, 02:17 PM | #20451 |
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Well when the President is jealous of a 16-year-old girl and then attacks her on Twitter, I guess you got to do what you got to do...
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12-12-2019, 02:21 PM | #20452 | |
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And Trump dangles the keys once again.
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12-12-2019, 02:52 PM | #20453 |
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Well what else is going to distract from the fact that the sitting President has admitted to defrauding charities and had to pay a $2 million fine? EDIT:the most amazing part of this whole charity thing is Trump once used his charity to pay Don Jr's $7 boy scout fee. Last edited by Atocep : 12-12-2019 at 03:05 PM. |
12-12-2019, 09:36 PM | #20454 | ||
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I've been mostly staying out of this thread, but JFC, this is fucking insane.
Outgoing Kentucky Governor Matt Bevin Pardons Convicted Killer Whose Family Hosted Fundraiser For Him And Donated To His Campaign Quote:
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12-12-2019, 10:31 PM | #20455 |
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Bevin is a fucking piece of shit, and if I was one to wish ill will on anybody, he would be a candidate. Fucking loser.
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12-12-2019, 10:35 PM | #20456 |
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If Nadler or Schiff reads the Pence aide letter on the floor we could be witnessing the first returned salvo from congress at the white house wherein the Congress will be truly attacking the fabric of the bulletproof vest they're all trying to stand behind. Everything else has been couched in rules and protocol which means that Trump and his ilk can gaslight their way to protecting their base. Not that there's any way in hell they'll see that he's ever done anything wrong ever...evvveeerrrr.
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12-13-2019, 01:55 PM | #20457 |
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JFC...They aren't even trying to be sneaky about it anymore:
#MOSCOWMITCHMCCONNELL TRENDS AFTER SENATOR VOWS 'TOTAL COORDINATION' WITH WHITE HOUSE ON TRUMP IMPEACHMENT TRIAL
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12-13-2019, 04:06 PM | #20458 | |
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The truth is much worse than this. They know he's done a lot of things wrong - this is well-documented going back to the campaign. They know who and what he is, and still think he's far better than the alternative. That's the real problem. |
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12-13-2019, 04:35 PM | #20459 | |
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So what's wrong with Pence in their eyes? Because right now, he's the alternative. Last edited by SackAttack : 12-13-2019 at 04:35 PM. |
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12-13-2019, 04:40 PM | #20460 |
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12-13-2019, 04:59 PM | #20461 | |
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Pence has the charisma of a vomiting skunk
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12-13-2019, 05:56 PM | #20462 |
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No mention or discussion today of Fuckabee saying that trump IS eligible to serve a third term, and that he's going to head up the campaign?
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12-13-2019, 06:02 PM | #20463 | |
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Just curious on what he bases this incredibly asinine determination on? But then wouldn't mean Obama could come back for a 3rd too? |
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12-13-2019, 06:24 PM | #20464 |
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On immigration:
There’s a tenuous silence on this issue... Where some voters who can be persuaded to vote right/red can be easily convinced that the brown people are a huge problem (this is the easy part), but Another big swath of voters who also ate in the mix to vote right/red are aware that they got their last deck built for $5,000 rather than $18,000 largely because of soft/ish immigration laws, and aren’t wild about showing all their cards (this is the hard part). Immigration is a great wedge issue right up until we actually do something. Turns out, shockingly, lots of people in the USA benefit mightily by having s whole subculture if under the table workers out there, who will work for wages offered rather than whatever the law says. And, truth be told, lots of those workers are gone having payroll taxes deducted as they collect their after -tax earnings, which far exceed their best option elsewhere. This is a seemy underbelly of this debate. |
12-14-2019, 08:24 AM | #20465 | |
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Not sure how I feel about the Phase 1 deal with China just yet. There'll be a rollback of some tariffs while others continue, more buying US agricultural products, and supposedly some sort of IP/technology component. I haven't read any details on the last and hence my hesitancy.
But this is a win for Trump politically. Even if there is no Phase 2, he can at least say he negotiated a Phase 1, reinforce his popularity with the farmers etc. Economic "war" is happening now. Technology "war" is where its going to be. I've read some articles on US and China decoupling (e.g. competition vs cooperation) and I like the idea because it seems inevitable (unless something major changes) so let's acknowledge it for the reality it is and prepare for it. I would feel a lot better if I thought Trump & cohorts had a long-term, strategic plan vs just winging it on Trump's whim of the day. Not much about China in the debates yet but (think) have read that Biden, Sanders, Warren are the most aligned to my views. Bloomberg apparently has shown to be a China sympathizer because of his company's interests. [Deleted Axios link, it did something funny] Quote:
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12-15-2019, 11:09 AM | #20466 |
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Since it seems to work with so many people, you have to take your hat off at the "win at all costs" strategy here. Trump sets the building on fire, throws a bucket of water in the corner, announces we are on our way to putting the fire out, and every person who is at all in play to vote for him rallies in support of his heroism. It's funny, for years there was always a cynical view that to win over the public, you needed to treat them like 12 year olds. Turns out, we were aiming too high. They're 8 year olds. |
12-15-2019, 03:07 PM | #20467 | ||
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I don't think there is much doubt the building was already on fire. Trump jumped up-and-down to do something about it (albeit likely for selfish reasons) and it is arguable whether he fanned the flames even more, status quo, or actually reduced the fire. It'll take years to understand his legacy on China. BTW, had no idea Schumer supported Trump's China policy https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/13/chuc...aboolainternal Quote:
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12-15-2019, 04:11 PM | #20468 | |
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I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have had higher than great recession farming bankruptcies and suicides with status quo. That doesn't even get into the money lost by the middle class and poor to the tariffs. But death and ruined lives is all good if it means maybe a slightly better economy a few years from now. Economy over everything except when it comes to people crossing the southern border. |
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12-15-2019, 04:24 PM | #20469 | |
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Specific to bankruptcies the below does not show that to be the case. I was unable to find a similar historical trend for suicides. |
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12-15-2019, 04:41 PM | #20470 | ||
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A CNN poll from a prior link. Immigration is #4 on both. Trump will definitely escalate that issue to play to his base as needed so I can easily see it increasing in importance next year. Quote:
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12-15-2019, 10:43 PM | #20471 | |
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12-16-2019, 09:26 AM | #20472 |
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Just a little fun at the expense of our national dignity, ya know?
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12-16-2019, 09:38 AM | #20473 | |
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Reading that is what I'd expect to read from some A.I. trying to learn how to talk. Or someone that's an idiot.
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12-16-2019, 09:57 AM | #20474 | |
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12-16-2019, 04:28 PM | #20475 |
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Michael Flynn loses his last (?) attempt to stay out of jail as the judge rejects all his arguments for the FBI trapping him into his confession. As his new attorney might face ethics charges for plagarizing her brief from a Supreme Court Ruling. He still may withdraw his guilty plea and face a trial or appeal his conviction, which would be very stupid and mean more prison time, so that's probably what he will do:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local....co/UV6kV0Faik
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12-16-2019, 08:37 PM | #20476 | |
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Not sure what is driving this but not good news for Dems. I would have thought support for impeachment would have increased ...
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12-16-2019, 08:56 PM | #20477 | |
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I think all that says is that looking at the straight facts the same number of people believe what he did was wrong and impeachable, but more and more people know it is a fruitless effort because the GOP is going to die on this hill supporting Trump so why bother. |
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12-16-2019, 09:14 PM | #20478 |
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Never look at a single poll.
The average says that opinions haven't changed from October, but "don't impeach" is in the minority.
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12-16-2019, 09:17 PM | #20479 |
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OTOH, the numbers have been fairly stable since October 1, with a little bit of daylight (6% at most) and then coming back together and then it happening again:
Do Americans Support Impeaching Trump? | FiveThirtyEight
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12-16-2019, 10:31 PM | #20480 |
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Everyone knows the whole thing dies in the Senate.
Can the Dems win enough in 2020 to get enough in the Senate and do this all over again if Donnie wins again?
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12-16-2019, 10:34 PM | #20481 | |
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It's definitely going to die in Senate, but I also think McConnell and the Trump hardliners are making huge mistake openly admitting they're coordinating with the White House on this and announcing the Senate trial will more or less be a sham. |
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12-17-2019, 01:14 AM | #20482 |
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12-17-2019, 11:47 AM | #20484 |
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If Trump wins another term even with an unconfirmed impeachment and all the other baggage, the Dems will have to accept there just isn't enough support for a confirmed impeachment and should just move on. Make the best out of it, negotiate the best deals they can for their issues and just move on. Other than for murder (or attempted), I don't see any other situations where Trump and supporters can't rationalize it to Dems being over zealous. |
12-17-2019, 11:50 AM | #20485 |
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And with each passing day, I am more convinced he will win reelection. I don't think the Dems have any idea how to stop him. They keep trust in the rule of law and reason, and he crews that crap up and spits it out.
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12-17-2019, 12:22 PM | #20486 | |
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I still have hopes that once the Dems pick who they will nominate and the VP is selected, there will be a ground swell of support as people can then see the alternative. Until then, yeah, the incumbent has the advantage especially with a booming stock market and economy doing well. |
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12-17-2019, 12:45 PM | #20487 | |
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An article on 5G, why its important, the head start China has, and why Huawei. Hopefully Trump and/or Dem nominee will see the significance and help nurture our 5G industry.
[url="https://fortune.com/2019/10/31/china-5g-rollout-spectrum/"] Quote:
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12-17-2019, 03:06 PM | #20488 | |
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Yeah, I'm also coming around to the idea that he gets re-elected, no matter who gets nominated on the Dem side. He might have a narrow floor/ceiling of ~40%, but that floor is both unshakable and active, and I could see a lot of people just sitting out or not voting on the Presidential ticket.
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12-17-2019, 03:17 PM | #20489 |
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I'll still be very surprised if that happens. All of the best evidence, without exception, points in the direction of Trump getting his hat handed to him in '20.
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12-17-2019, 03:41 PM | #20490 |
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The war that is being won is a war on Facts. It's been going on before Trump but in essence, speak your narrative and if need be loudly and do so unwaveringly no matter the contra to it. I honestly don't know how we'll ever get back to seeing the world through a mostly agreed-upon set of facts. That scares me more than Trump or anything. Don't like the fact, find a source that discounts it and then cite it loudly and broadly.
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12-17-2019, 03:45 PM | #20491 |
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12-17-2019, 04:00 PM | #20492 |
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So now we know that a Russian oligarch was paying Lev Parnas...
Who was paying Giuliani... Who is providing free legal work for Trump. The only thing we don't know is what Trump was promising for all of this.
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12-17-2019, 07:00 PM | #20493 | ||
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Looks as if Trump has a soul mate in religious discrimination & prejudice. Wouldn't be surprised if he uses it as foil one day.
I've not found a poll on % of Indians that support or not. I suspect a large majority do support it. From what I've read, the bill will legitimately help a bunch of non-Muslim illegals from 3 bordering Muslim countries gain citizenship so there is that plus. However, it is obviously discriminatory to a religion. https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/asia/...hnk/index.html Quote:
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12-17-2019, 07:08 PM | #20494 | |
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I think the media is doing a decent job in pointing out incorrect statements, lies, exaggerations etc. I do think this has been happening all along in politics, the difference is Trump himself is saying so much of it when its not even needed. I like to think the next President will revert back to pre-Trump ... more selective with words, more care on who s/he offends etc. and only lie when its necessary. |
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12-17-2019, 07:21 PM | #20495 |
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So there's social media outrage about Trump not backing the Armenian Genocide bill.
But seriously, what purpose does this bill serve? It looks like a present gift wrapped by democrats to Putin in order to divide the US and Turkey.
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12-17-2019, 07:30 PM | #20496 | |
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I think the only question after today's revelations is when is Rudy going to be indicted? Then we get to see how long it takes Trump to claim he doesn't know him. |
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12-17-2019, 09:49 PM | #20497 | |
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Yes a lot of things blend into politics but there's a LOT of stuff that is harbored outside of Politics that is being batted back and forth so the truth gets blurred. The sources and encyclopedias being attacked is something that, if not reversed, means that future history books will be rewritten regarding what we always just took as fact.
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12-18-2019, 01:31 AM | #20498 | ||
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Based on what? I'm not trying to be snarky or dismissive, but I just don't see it. The GOP got their clocks cleaned in the midterms and every special election I've seen in the places he'd need to win. Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, they all tell the same story. It's not one that's good for his re-election. I'm not writing him off as long as the economy is good, we're a long way from next November, etc., but every single time since he was put in office that the voters he needs to keep him there have gone to the polls, they've said the same thing. Quote:
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12-18-2019, 05:21 AM | #20499 |
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Am I the only on that thinks Trump and the GOP are simply gonna cheat, and if it comes to light, justify it? Isn't that the pattern we're seeing with quid pro quo, Russia, and everything else?
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