04-27-2006, 08:21 AM | #2051 |
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Ok so I went back and reread my role description. I am warming up to the idea that a convert could still use a power. The only power that would make sense to be used are Duke and my role. There might be other roles in the game that we aren't aware of that also make sense, but of those are what we know of right now. I will collect my evidence against Tangle sometime this morning as I still feel he is stronger but am no longer feel it is a waste of time to keep testing the same guy over and over again.
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04-27-2006, 08:26 AM | #2052 |
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Who are we testing again and again? I'm advocating a vote for Blade who's never been tested. You've never been tested either. Are you talking about Jeebs?
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How in the heck does your role description give evidence that a player could keep his power after conversion? I just looked over mine and see nothing that would indicate that?
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Yeah, I really tried to hide the fact that I was supporting CW... I'll admit that I made a bad choice. Hell, I've been picking the wrong people all game long. But I assure you guys that I haven't been converted. The Things most likely see how y'all keep coming back to me so why would they waste a conversion on someone who is likely to be tested again?
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I'm not saying there's a lot there, but based on the literal interpretation Schmidty has used before I think there's something there. Please realize that I'm still going after Tangle for a reason. I hope to have my case against him up in about an hour. |
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04-27-2006, 09:15 AM | #2058 | |
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Regardless, I think hoops and I have both looked back more than you at prior posts. |
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04-27-2006, 09:38 AM | #2059 |
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Ok since he only has 54 posts in the thread I'm going to update my previous recap of tangle's and then explain exactly what I find suspicious.
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04-27-2006, 09:46 AM | #2060 |
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That Hoops didn't protect Coffee the night after his reveal tells me that I am almost certain he was probably converted that night. As a Thing I would be willing to take the risk of being blocked in order to take the seer out, I can't see how they would go anywhere else that night. Therefore, I am skeptical of anyone who was cleared by CW, even though obviously he wouldn't have just gone and cleared every Thing.
This to me leads to an obvious candidate. Blade backed up Coffee in his lynch and was cleared by Coffee earlier too. Vote Blade |
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This took longer as I let myself get distracted while doing it. Through post 248 was a recap I did during Day 2.
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319 - Meaningless post 427 - Does a very long post in which he argues (now we know correctly) that Hoops picked up on the use of brilliant. However, since he now thinks I am good follows my lead and votes for saldana (after deadline) 430 - Apologizes for missing the vote and argues his long post in 427 shows that he was working when he should have been voting 432 - Feels hoops vote for saldana clears hoops 440 - Defends the idea of qwik being a thing 469 - Wants me tested at some point. Believes hoops. Wants to target an UTR guy like mckerny with the second vote 565 - Is 50/50 on whether to test Dubb or Jeeber. Wanted to go for a low profile person but without support is voting for Dubb. 602 - Hopes that the last minute vote moving works out OK 716 - Quote:
766 - Now dimsisses his 716 idea as "crap". Thinks that the time lapse between finding a shitface and killing one would be too fast 768 - Wonders why, if CW isn't the seer, someone else hasn't stepped forward 1046 - No idea bout who are shitfaces. Is catching up 1105 - Still not sure. Doesn't like 4 main candidates of the day (Blade, CW, RA, and dubb). Would rather vote for me. Or Jeeber or path 1110 - Thinks CW is clean but if forced to vote for one of the 4 it would be him 1114 - Wants a vote count 1121 - As no one is liking his ideas is forced to vote for who would have the biggest upside to being cleared 1125 - Votes CW. Partly to avoid a tie with Blade 1128 - Still wants to vote for me 1129 - Posts about the deadline time 1135 - Isn't sure if I started off bad or became bad. Thinks I would have been a tempting conversion target 1138 - Realizes there is more time for votes 1212 - Has no read on cronin 1230 - Will move to cronin if a majority can be reached 1231 - Sees enough people in thread to make switch work 1234 - Says we're going to find out if CW was being honest or not 1241 - Agrees with points of mine against cronin 1269 - Wants CW to scan me 1281 - Wants credit for saying CW was the seer 1289 - After I point out that he didn't have to vote for CW he responds Quote:
1422 - Says he has been busy and won't be active 1487 - Is catching up. Votes for Jeeber as someone who has been more suspicious as time has gone on. Still wants me tested 1703 - Asks hoops who he feels are shitfaces 1705 - Quote:
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1762 - Posts some possiblities about Qwik and me regarding who is/not a shitface 1765 - Argues that Anxiety has more vote switches in a short period of time then a normal scientist 1766 - Agrees that he missed a possiblity in 1762 1947 - Wants people to explain why the suspect him. Votes for CW 1958 - Thinks people with info should step forward 1960 - Meaningless post 1969 - Going to bed 2060 - Is skeptical of people CW cleared. Votes for Blade |
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04-27-2006, 10:48 AM | #2062 |
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Ok after reading over Tangle's posts:
I don't like the fact that he has had a couple of last minute shinanigans. First with missing the vote on saldana, by 40 minutes. Then by indicating a willingness to switch away from CW, who at the time he thought was innocent, but not doings so despite the fact that he could have voted for just about anyone else in the game and not had it matter. I also don't like his post in 1748 as the consenus is pretty strong that there are only 2 original shitfaces. That said IF there were 3 I think you could make a case that Tangle was the third. Hoops like to say that as a bad guy it's important to be honest with just about everything you post. That could be an example of such honesty. That said I have to admit that after reading his posts I don't feel as suspicious of him as I once did. I'm not ready yet to switch my vote, but I'm getting close to being ready. Cronin did a great job yesterday and he feels more strongly about Jeeber then I do about tangle at this point which leads me to think maybe I should follow his lead on this. It's something I'm going to think over during the day and will post on when I come back around 7 eastern. |
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And he felt certain about Dubb a few days ago. He's been hit or miss, just like most of us...
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04-27-2006, 11:12 AM | #2065 |
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Yes, it was a one time power...
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04-27-2006, 11:34 AM | #2067 | |
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Funny, I was noticing the same thing last night. And second the sentiment. New blood is always good.
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04-27-2006, 11:38 AM | #2068 |
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You know, this whole burning thing ain't so bad....
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04-27-2006, 11:40 AM | #2069 |
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Does it kinda tingle?
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04-27-2006, 11:59 AM | #2070 |
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Since the last vote, there has been no night cycle, so that vote gives us the best possible evidence on who to go after.
So, Barkeep and myself should be considered clear for this vote. RA perhaps as well, since he was an early bandwagoner. Possibly even hoops, although I could go either way on him. Jeeber had by far the most suspicious posts and votes in the last vote. Keep it simple guys - test the human who is most out of synch. I keep restating the same argument, yet people still want to test BK. |
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I'm off to the gym and then am going to help my brother move into his new home (*grumble*). I'm not sure what time I'll be back at the computer, so I'm going to go ahead and get a vote in.
Vote tangle A vote for Jeeber is a wasted vote, boys.
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04-27-2006, 03:50 PM | #2073 | |
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04-27-2006, 04:07 PM | #2077 | |
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There was as much of a break even earlier: Cronin 1869 Raiders 1878 (9 posts later) Barkeep 1929 (51 posts later) Anxiety 1930 (1 post later) Hoops 1943 (13 posts later) Tangle 1947 (4 posts later) Path 1949 (2 posts later) Swaggs 1950 (1 post later) Jeeber 1962 (12 posts later) Mckerney 1964 (2 posts later) So the big break was between Barkeep and Anxiety....not that I think it really matters too much. I don't disagree that we might find some things later in that line, but I think it was fairly obvious even before Barkeeps post at 1929 that CW was the way to go yesterday, was it not?
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We'll be waiting for your signup next game then. I probably won't vote for you the first day. But then again I might.
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Well, I'm not really trying to advocate putting him in the group or not. I guess my point is that even when it was 2-1 (and I'm kind of talking out of my ass here because I haven't gone back through the posts since I really shouldn't be online right now anyway) it's my recollection that you weren't getting a whole lot of support for hoops after the bg reveal and that most of the talk was going CW's way. I know that I held off as long as I did just to see how the discussion went and threw out a couple devil's advocate questions, but there really wasn't any real choice yesterday.
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Wow, this thread is dead so far tonight.
RE: My late voting, I almost always vote late on lynches unless I am fairly sure of someone and even then am ususalyy willing to swap around late on. Check any of my votes in this game or previous games if you like. As for Blade, the whole 'I didn't vote for a Thing so I must be clean' logic is just ridiculous. |
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Ive stated for a few days hoops and tangle we my things...so since one of my two suspects is up for a test, ill be happy to lend my support
VOTE TANGLEWOOD
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OK, I agree with your point there. I've gotta think though that the things knew early what the score was and might be anywhere in that line. Well, except first. I totally believe Cronin was clear yesterday.
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Just to let everyone know, I will be at a wedding in the San Juan islands friday and saturday, so tomorrow's vote deadline will be monday.
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If there are 5 things, which we could assume is how many there are with 2 originals + 6 conversions - 3 killed, then I find it not incocievable that it would be someone's 'duty' to try and get the vote switched off of a comrade whilst the others pile on trying to look clean. Add in that you voted relatively early in the day, when the vote was 2-1 CW over mckerny with no other votes cast, and whilst there had been some discussion toward CW it was by no means finalised that he was going down. You are a good player, so I can see that you would have been chosen/voulenteered to fight CW's corner and as you are a good player you would be able to fight your own corner if he was downed and you had to explain your actions. So in summary: 1. At the time you voted, you were not actively going against a foregone conclusion 2. Therefore, it was still very possible for someone else to have been tested that day at that point 3. A Thing would not neccessarily have known that he was hanging himself out to dry with such a vote 4. Even if it was likely CW was going down, the Things have to try to save him, if they did it was virtually game over. 5. Blade could reasonably have chosen as he has the panache to sometimes effect such swings and the arrogance to believe he can. He is also adept at defending his actions, so could weasel his way out if things went badly and he had to cover for himself. Ultimately - When the Things are soooo close to winning, why need to try and hide amongst scientists on a Thing lynch? A clean day today would have almost guarenteed a win and if I were them I'd've been all out for that. Your logic of 'going against the grain means I'm not a Thing' is completely flawed. |
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04-27-2006, 05:09 PM | #2093 |
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I'm sticking with Blade.
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04-27-2006, 05:10 PM | #2094 |
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I mean, I'm sticking with my vote for Blade. I need piece of mind that he's a scientist or Thing.
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One more point for the humans: Most humans are probably right now under the belief that me and BK are clear. Barkeep I think has not voted yet, but I have voted for Jeeber. That's the only vote that you can be sure is a human vote. All other candidates (excepting Tangle, whom BK took his vote off of) were first voted on by somebody who MIGHT be a thing. So, if you agree that consensus is the way to go, Jeeber is the safest pick for that reason.
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This is an interesting conversation:
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I suspect Blade as well, RA, but we really need a consensus pick, and he's NOT the simplest choice. This is one of the few votes where the last vote is actually meaningful, and Jeeber's was the worst vote. He originally voted for a known human, tried to undermine the strategy BK and I had laid out, and then half-assedly changed his vote later on. We HAVE to test him. I feel very strongly about this.
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I'll go ahead and follow you on this, Cronin, since you were dead on with CW and are so certain here. But you are hanging yourself WAY out there if we come up blank on this one. VOTE JEEBER
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The next vote we will have to start over. I would suggest we start with anybody who put votes on Barkeep in THIS vote, since at this time he's pretty much a known human.
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