Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I've just reread that message. Lathum states that Bsak's fingerprints don't match any found at the scene. But we know for a fact that he has access to gloves so I'm not really sure how much weight Lathum's clearing of Bsak should carry.

The message in which someone clears bsak, that is.

Bsak, I presume no-one has bought gloves from you - as even a message board purchase with a user number might give us some clues.

[path12]

I would be willing to vote for LSG, Blade, Narcizo or myself for judge right now pending further information.

[Blade6119]

I have not bought anything either, but ive had money taken from me twice

[Chief Rum]

This thread currently has Blade as the last post, but his post is not here. Does that mean he deleted a post?

[Narcizo]

Um...I just tried to quote myself but I can't find the post that should have come up. I'm a bit worried that I might have pressed edit instead of quote but I can't find an edited post either. Hopefully I did press quote and the message just disappeared.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, now it's happened to me. Blade didn't delete a post. Something is screwy here. It's not showing my post or Blade's (at least not to me). I wonder if this is related to the board's odd way of breaking down about now. Of course, this post will also not show up (or not until the board rights itself anyway).

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

This thread currently has Blade as the last post, but his post is not here. Does that mean he deleted a post?

I don't think so as a post of mine seems not to have been made. Something going on with the board?

[path12]

No, it was just funky for me also. Said there were new messages but they weren't showing.

Ah well, need to try and get back to sleep. Insomnia sucks.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I don't think so as a post of mine seems not to have been made. Something going on with the board?

Yeah, my next post pretty much shows I realized this, too. Weird forum breakdown.

[Narcizo]

Oh! There's my post now. Suddenly we're on page 42 - I think we were getting stuck on page 41 before.

I'd be a bad choice for judge as I won't be able to get my orders out before someone killed me.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by path12

No, it was just funky for me also. Said there were new messages but they weren't showing.

Ah well, need to try and get back to sleep. Insomnia sucks.

Only if you can't sleep.

Seriously, sorry to hear that, path. Insomnia does suck.

[Narcizo]

I don't honestly think there's anything to be gained by me being coy about my role when I think pretty much everyone must have worked it out by now. My role was the banker. Blade will see that I have a flash ring while Anxiety will confirm that I paid double to prebook his services one day and then that I did pay double another day but he only took the usual payment and sent some back. I can also post a message on the UMB showing that I'm the person who was claiming to be the banker.

I'd like to point out that although I started rich I've used most of my money buying protection for the bank and I know for a fact that there are a lot richer people out there now. Anyone thinking of taking me hostage or trying to rob me is going to be very disappointed. Not as disappointed as me, but still.

I'm going to gather my notes and see what I can come up with.

[Blade6119]

Did you just reveal anxiety too?

[Narcizo]

My primary assumption has been that people with a significant amount of money in the bank are, or at least started, the game as good guys. If I was in the mafia I would give my money to the boss to look after as it's the safest bet available for storing money.

Jonathon - as I said on the message board he started with 900 in the bank, which is consistent with a starting sum of 900 + UMB subscription. Blade's gold ring seems to equate with $1000 starting sum. I am 99% sure he has the doctor role and barring a conversion that he's good.

LSG - started with 1000, which is also consistent with her story of not joining the message board. I have a hard time thinking that there are many roles that would be able to put that much money in the bank as a cover. If Blade looks at her he should see a gold ring.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Did you just reveal anxiety too?

As the firewall expert? Yes. But he revealed that a couple of days ago.

[Blade6119]

Oh, nevermind...i mis-read what you posted

[Blade6119]

Well, i think im beginning to settle on chief rum for my vote now...LSG's starting cash would seem to indicate the good of the two roles i had her pegged for, and i have a pretty solid trust for some other members based on my actions

[Narcizo]

Anxiety had money that is, I think, consistent with him possessing a silver ring and subscribing to the message board.

I caught Barkeep out because he forgot to move the money he inherited from the bank to another spot when DT died. At first I thought he had hacked it from Lathum but then I sort of put 2 and 2 together.

King's money has been in a state of fluctuation. I've been thinking this is a bit suspicious but to be honest after what happened to Barkeep I would expect that the new mob boss would take pains to keep an even amount of money in the bank. In retrospect I think it probably does indicate a poker player.

Path started on a silver ring income level + UMB but his money disappeared from the bank yesterday. Which I'm finding a bit suspicious, given that that was the time Barkeep's money disappeared from my accounts.

[Narcizo]

Anxiety's statement is consistent with the amount of money I'd been paying the "Protector" on the UMB, which a) really suggests to me that all the money he has in the bank is all the money he has and b) means that I trust him to the extent of it verging on a vouch.

[Narcizo]

I'd really like to hear from Path why he moved his money yesterday and I'd like to hear just how sure LSG is about her vouch of him.

[Blade6119]

To note, although im not trying to attack him here...JE, our doctor, is a key role for evil to have left around. JE made it very clear he could be helpful to both sides, and as such i dont believe can be trusted as fully as some of you have done. I dont doubt he is the doctor, but i dont trust him 100% to be of the light.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Path started on a silver ring income level + UMB but his money disappeared from the bank yesterday. Which I'm finding a bit suspicious, given that that was the time Barkeep's money disappeared from my accounts.

I have no money anymore. I cannot say why, except that I've gone from neutral to good.

[Blade6119]

Hey narc, you know how much money i have in the bank...if you want to reveal it, you can. I can deal with questions about lying...might as well handle it now instead of later.

[Blade6119]

Wait, LSG trusted you before you would have spent all your money, no? At that time, you would have been independent

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Wait, LSG trusted you before you would have spent all your money, no? At that time, you would have been independent

I didn't say I spent my money. I said I have no money anymore. She saw me the day my status switched so I don't know exactly how she saw me. I have never been evil or mafia though.

[Narcizo]

Bsak, Chief, snDvls & Blade didn't start with money in the bank. I think that if we're looking for someone who was a mob member from the start we should look at these four people.

However, Barkeep did have money in the bank at the start (I think all of his money - judging by spending patterns), which means either
a) he was smart enough to work out that having money in the bank might make the banker more trusting of him, or
b) that he converted later on in the game.

And if Barkeep was smart enough to put money in the bank from the start then maybe someone else was as well.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Hey narc, you know how much money i have in the bank...if you want to reveal it, you can. I can deal with questions about lying...might as well handle it now instead of later.

I don't know if the actual sum is significant but it's $495 - put in, I think, on Friday (between 2nd and 3rd).

Path's money disappeared between the 3rd and the 5th. So, over the weekend then. When did LSG vouch for him?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

To note, although im not trying to attack him here...JE, our doctor, is a key role for evil to have left around. JE made it very clear he could be helpful to both sides, and as such i dont believe can be trusted as fully as some of you have done. I dont doubt he is the doctor, but i dont trust him 100% to be of the light.

Where did he make that clear? I think I must have missed it. Not doubting you, it's just something that I think someone else has mentioned and I must have missed it.

If it's true than at a guess I'd presume that he has a major objective of healing anyone who is wounded.

[Blade6119]

I started off with 1000, had 405 jacked on day one by ITC(pickpocketed, so i presume him). To prevent further theft, i stored it at home...only to have swaggs take another 100 out of my trash. To prevent more theft i moved my remaining money to the bank, and thats how we reach this juncture.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I'm not worried about being outed. As I mentioned the other day, I think my role is a benefit to both good and evil. I'm definitely on the side of good, but when it comes down to it, my professional responsibility is to heal people. No matter what their profession is. If a mafia member gets shot, it's my duty to try my best to heal him. So I don't see why I would be a target for a hit.

Could be as simple as trying to avoid the attention of the mafia, but he expresses clearly he can help both sides

[Narcizo]

I'm afraid my role isn't really very useful at this stage. It helped us get Barkeep but I don't think there's much more to it than that. Might be time to seek alternative employment.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I'm afraid my role isn't really very useful at this stage. It helped us get Barkeep but I don't think there's much more to it than that. Might be time to seek alternative employment.

If true about barkeep inheriting the money and you seeing it, who doesnt have their money in the bank right now?

[Blade6119]

and im done for the night, cheers

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Could be as simple as trying to avoid the attention of the mafia, but he expresses clearly he can help both sides

I think a major objective of saving anyone who is wounded is very much in keeping with the role. I think it's good enough to trust him as starting as a villager. Barring the wolves getting two shots at a conversion (they used one on Anxiety) I think he's as good as cleared as a villager.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

If true about barkeep inheriting the money and you seeing it, who doesnt have their money in the bank right now?

Bsak, CR, SnDvls & Path. (Path showed up as "0" yesterday rather than just disappearing from the list as killed people have done previously).

I don't think having money in the bank now really means a lot though. I've, basically, exhausted the usefulness of my role.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

The message in which someone clears bsak, that is.

Bsak, I presume no-one has bought gloves from you - as even a message board purchase with a user number might give us some clues.

One person did buy gloves from me but that was at the beginning of the game. The user ID# was one that has not been messeaged for awhile. That ID # was the same # that most of us thought was Cronin because of the crazy post he made right before getting lynched.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I think a major objective of saving anyone who is wounded is very much in keeping with the role.

Healing people is one of my goals for a major victory. The other is to reach a monetary amount (which I don't see happening).

[Narcizo]

Blade just scanned me for what it's worth. At least it should confirm that I was rich at the start of the game.

[LoneStarGirl]

I am very sure about Path. I checked him out two days ago and he was cleared. Now if something happened between then and now, its possible

[LoneStarGirl]

Blade you said I was second on your most suspicious list, why did you check Narc and not me?

[Narcizo]

Day two vote. One I think really caught the bad guys with their trousers down and is pretty valuable as a result.

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Barkeep49 - Marathoner (832), Chief Rum (845), Jonathan Ezarik (1053)

Jonathan Ezarik - Lathum (873), ImTheCrew (920), Kingfc (979)

st. cronin - Blade6119 (887), LoneStarGirl (960), Barkeep49 (963), SnDvls (1001), path12 (1013)

ImTheCrew - Narcizo (906)

path12 - Anxiety (929)

Blade6119 - hoopsguy (1051), st.cronin (1055), Swaggs (1064), DaddyTorgo (1069), Bsak (1076)

Looking at this I think we come back to the suspicions for the day falling on Bsak and Kingfc. I honestly can't see a bad guy voting for St Cronin in a tight vote under these circumstances which means I'm leaning towards trusting SnDvls (although I'd really like to know what he knows). Bsak switched his vote to Blade right at the end. With Kingfc, well it's the same drill as with ITC. He phoned in his vote and added it to JE at a time when JE was a strong candidate for the lynch. The fact that he phoned in and his lack of presence suggests that he wasn't there to switch to St Cronin. (heh! deja vu) He's been UTR all game.

I'd like some sort of defence backed with any evidence he can muster, from king today or I'm going to be laying my vote on him. My time zone means that I have to vote aggressively - I can't afford to hang around.

Any defence Bsak can come up with would be nice as well.

[Narcizo]

We need to vote for a judge. I'll be back in about 3-4 hours I hope there's a candidate by that time.

I think a full-scale reveal might be enough for the win in this case but at the moment I'm happy taking my luck with king. At worst we lynch him and he's a neutral with an unimportant role.

[SnDvls]

I don't know a whole lot, but someone who was cleared has to be converted or has always been mafia at this point and is running around in a lot of trusted circles. It has to be or we would have nailed someone by now.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Healing people is one of my goals for a major victory. The other is to reach a monetary amount (which I don't see happening).

Well which one of your is the real doctor becuase Narcizo just bought some bandages from me.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by bsak16

Well which one of your is the real doctor becuase Narcizo just bought some bandages from me.

Why would a doctor need to buy bandages from a pawn shop? If I need bandages, I go to the hospital.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Another early vote from me. I don't really have anything to go on (as usual for me), but I don't want to be penalized for not voting.

VOTE KINGFC

I have no feel for him at all, and that makes me uncomfortable seven days into the game.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Another early vote from me. I don't really have anything to go on (as usual for me), but I don't want to be penalized for not voting.

has there been a "public" penality for not voting yet?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Did you just reveal anxiety too?

I've been revelead there brother. He's just one more affirmation that I am who I say I am.

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, I'm looking at JE or Chief Rum. One or the other will get a search warrant. I want to submit this in a few minutes, so I'll take ideas before then.

[SnDvls]

I know JE would prefer you search him to psudo clear him, but I'd say go with CR.