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06-11-2010, 07:19 PM | #2052 |
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I think this may be one of my top 5 threads all time
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06-11-2010, 07:19 PM | #2053 |
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Alden responds to Beebe's mention that Big 10 isn't taking any more members 'right now'........
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06-11-2010, 07:26 PM | #2054 | |
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Call. For the record, I'm calling on the 7 out of 10. I have no idea if Missouri ends up in the Big Ten or the Missouri Valley Conference. Last edited by digamma : 06-11-2010 at 07:35 PM. |
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06-11-2010, 07:26 PM | #2055 | |
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Is Baylor still being attached to Texas? As it stands right now with the last rumors that A&M will be hooking up their wagon with the SEC, it still leaves the PAC-10 with an open spot. Could Baylor's "MBBF-like" politicians get involved? If so, doesn't this put Texas in a weak spot with Baylor attached to them like a little kid? Last edited by Galaxy : 06-11-2010 at 07:27 PM. |
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06-11-2010, 07:30 PM | #2056 | |
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06-11-2010, 07:32 PM | #2057 | |
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Timing, yes. End result, not so much. With that said, it would probably be best for you to avoid stalking in this thread as well. There's actually some good discussion going on here. |
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06-11-2010, 07:33 PM | #2058 | |
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Baylor is probably 4th on the list of teams to replace TAMU. It probably doesnt get past KU/Utah in that instance |
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06-11-2010, 07:35 PM | #2059 | |
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So Missouri is still the Big Ten's first option...it's just that they wanted to get Nebraska out of the way first before making their big splash with Missouri? I guess I could see that. |
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06-11-2010, 07:35 PM | #2060 | |
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I'd love to see KU find a way to wiggle into the Pac XX. As much as the hatred flows, I'd really hate to see their program fall on hard times. The entire state might commit suicide. |
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06-11-2010, 07:35 PM | #2061 |
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06-11-2010, 07:38 PM | #2062 |
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06-11-2010, 07:41 PM | #2063 | |
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I don't think Kansas will fall too hard. The Pac 10 would be my number one option especially if Texas lands there. That would allow Kansas to continue recruiting the state of Texas for football. There are whispers coming from the SEC they are interested in Kansas. I'm not sure I see the fit there, but a rivalry with Kentucky would be great. Who knows how serious that interest is. Might even be nice to see both Kansas and Missouri get invites there to keep the Border War alive. The Big East is the next major possibility though they may be just as ripe as the Big 12 is. The ACC would be interesting. I know Coach K and Roy Williams have recently gone to bat for Kansas. And then lastly the MWC which would only happen if KU and KSU are truly anchored together by some crazy politicians. |
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06-11-2010, 07:42 PM | #2064 |
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Well, I, for one, am excited by the prospect of Nebraska joining the Big-10.
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06-11-2010, 07:43 PM | #2065 |
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All the Big 12 North leftovers can just go join Boise State in the Mountain West Conference. It will become a 14 team conference and they can get an auto BCS bid. Make it so!
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06-11-2010, 07:45 PM | #2066 | |
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I've heard Utah, but what does Utah bring? I don't know enough about them aside from their football program. Are they an AAU member? How are their markets compared to KC and Wichita? Do they have the revenue to compete in the Pac? I may be way off on this, but I'd think given the potential new additions Kansas may be a better fit (especially in a division format). But I may not be seeing the big picture either given my lack of knowledge of Utah. |
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06-11-2010, 07:49 PM | #2067 |
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Utah brings in the SLC market, is closer then Kansas, and tends to have more of a PAC-10 feel to it. They have a decent enough of a basketball/football tradition as well as a strong Olympic sports package. That and their proximity to the rest of the PAC-10, especially Colorado makes it attractive. The PAC-10 always wanted Texas as part of it, but it was always thought that the PAC-10 expanded to 12 teams, Utah/Colorado would be those teams.
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06-11-2010, 07:51 PM | #2070 |
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I don't care if the Big East loses Syracuse or Rutgers, but my biggest fear is that they take Maryland away from teh ACC. It makes a ton of sense. Maryland and WVU have a longe rstanding out of confernece rivalry, and I'd hater to see that go away, since they'd likely be in a confernece with the powerful east teams like Penn State, Ohio, and U of M, and probbaly wouldn;t want to keep us around as an OOC rival...
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06-11-2010, 07:52 PM | #2071 |
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Sigh.
InsideTexas.com - Source: Texas to Pac-10 imminent; A&M, individually, not offered by SEC Our source also spoke to a high-ranking SEC official who reports that no invitation to join the SEC has been extended to Texas A&M and none is expected to be offered. Our information indicates that any invitation to A&M was contingent upon either Texas or Oklahoma joining the league as well. But the Horns and the Sooners appear to both be onboard to allign with an expanded Pac-10. |
06-11-2010, 07:54 PM | #2072 |
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Sad for the SEC and me. I was hoping A&M, WVU, V Tech and the one of the G Tech, FSU and Clemson they most could handle if the Big East was exploding.
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06-11-2010, 07:55 PM | #2073 |
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I still don't really know how much to trust these Texas sources. That sucks if true, though.
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06-11-2010, 08:00 PM | #2074 |
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Weird. I guess the SEC doesn't want to mess with Texas.
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06-11-2010, 08:00 PM | #2075 | |
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The SLC market is the same size as the KC market though. KU also brings in the Wichita market. I'm guessing the SLC market is probably a better opportunity for future growth though. But let's say the Pac 10 add Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech. Would it then make more sense to add Kansas due to distance? I'm probably grasping at straws here, but I'd love to see Kansas stick with Texas and align themselves with the Pac for obvious reasons, lol. |
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06-11-2010, 08:03 PM | #2076 |
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Yeah, I'd guess Utah is ahead of Kansas on the Pac-10's wishlist. They make more sense geographically, and they have a longer history with Colorado so they'd be a more natural "rival". They're not in the AAU, but they are a top-level research university (classified RU/VH by the Carnegie Foundation as are all the current Pac-10 schools). The SLC market is one spot above Kansas City, and it's got more room for growth IMO.
It's too bad, because I'd love to have the Kansas basketball program in the conference, but I'd guess Utah is preferred by Larry Scott. |
06-11-2010, 08:03 PM | #2077 | |
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Ugh, that would bite for Kansas given I was hoping for their spot in the Pac. I'm a bit surprised that the SEC wouldn't want Texas A&M on their own merits though. |
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06-11-2010, 08:04 PM | #2078 | |
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Ah well, probably a moot point now if the A&M story is true. |
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06-11-2010, 08:05 PM | #2079 | |
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This is good news for Mizzou and Kansas. Opens up more SEC options as the process moves forward. You can never have enough at this point. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 06-11-2010 at 08:06 PM. |
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06-11-2010, 08:21 PM | #2080 |
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Delaney said setting up divisions will be based on competition first, and location second.
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06-11-2010, 08:23 PM | #2081 | |
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There's the Michigan vs. Nebraska as well to due to the split title.
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06-11-2010, 08:27 PM | #2083 |
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A bit of contrariness on the A&M no SEC offer speculation:
Kirk Bohls tweet SEC school source tells me that "A&M is a school worth getting" and could be only school offered. "No nice, neat package sitting out there." |
06-11-2010, 08:33 PM | #2084 |
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Looks more and more like the A&M to the SEC thing was contingent upon Oklahoma more than Texas. It is surprising that the SEC wouldn't want A&M by itself though, but it looks like the Pac 10 has given A&M 72 hours to join the other big 4 in moving over:
Source: Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State plan to join Pac-10 - ESPN AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will join the Pacific-10 Conference when a formal offer is made, a source told ESPN's Joe Schad on Friday. Texas A&M, the Austin American Statesman reported, is torn between joining the Pac-10 or Southeastern Conference. The Aggies will have a 72-hour timetable to decide whether to accept the Pac-10's offer, the newspaper reported. A formal offer from the Pac-10 could come as soon as this weekend, the newspaper reported. Another source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to ESPN.com's Andy Katz that Texas A&M was looking at the SEC, but the source said he is convinced the Aggies will end up in the Pac-10. The source said the SEC consideration was fueled by "ego purposes" within Texas A&M, that the Aggies' power brokers sought distance from the Texas decision and didn't want to convey the appearance they were doing everything because of Texas. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said Friday he is still working to convince the remaining 10 members to stay put. "We're working with all those members. We've had a lot of positive feedback about the desire of those institutions to [stay] together," Beebe said. "There's been a lot of speculation about people going west ... I'm going all the way to the final whistle. I'm playing it out as hard and fast as I can." |
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06-11-2010, 08:35 PM | #2086 | |
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Kinda like the prospects of that too. (Nebraska is like Penn State but in red, anyway)
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06-11-2010, 08:35 PM | #2087 |
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Ketchum tweets
Just had an informed Aggie I trust tell me the SEC thing is going to happen. Lots of smoke. I can't wait to watch the drama unfold |
06-11-2010, 08:36 PM | #2088 |
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That article I posted about no offer to A&M has been poo-pooed on a lot of sites now. Looks like momentum might be moving the other direction now with some recent tweets.
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I may be naive, but I think the musical chairs is over (for the most part). The only other defection will be Utah to the PAC 10, to create the PAC 12 (which is the new conference name said by both Colorado and PAC 10 officials in their press conferences). The Big 10 would then become the Big 12, and the Big 12 would become the Big 10.
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06-11-2010, 08:43 PM | #2090 | |
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I just sit here and hope that the Big East can bring in teams that keep it competitive. I hate to think that UC gets screwed by all this just as the program is starting to get built.
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06-11-2010, 08:49 PM | #2094 |
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"I'm receiving e-mail after e-mail from people telling me that A&M is going to the SEC and it will be announced before Texas meets on Tuesday."
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Y'know, I'm not exactly a BE fan nor do I have hardly any connection to any of the teams you mentioned so take this FWIW but ... I think you may have made one of the most rational & reasonable posts in this whole thread. Never mind BCS worthiness (or whatever), but your feeling about them in that regard makes perfect sense to me, none of them lack for effort & that's rightfully worth something.
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06-11-2010, 09:05 PM | #2097 |
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I will say, there are a LOT of people that are suddenly thinking this is over and A&M is coming to the SEC. Still nothing I can find other than some smug people that I would think would know.
for example: "It's a done deal. The offer was unofficially extended, and before they left for the weekend, a deal was in place. All it needs is the vote by the reagents, but that is seen as mostly a formality. After the vote the official offer will be extended, and aTm will be in the SEC by Tuesday morning." I think this really just happened. Last edited by MJ4H : 06-11-2010 at 09:11 PM. Reason: cue the jokes about my "sources" |
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Abe's Ideal Big East/ACC/Others after the chairs move: (Assuming Clemson, G Tech, FSU and A&M to SEC, and Rutgers/Syracuse/Notre Dame/Missouri to Big Ten)
Cincy Louisville Kansas WVU Pitt U Conn Maryland UVA V Tech USF Miami Kansas State Boston College And then three of Wake Forest, UNC, NC State, Duke, or if they want to stay together good, and take UCF and Memphis and one other team (Iowa State? Another Big 12 that didn't make the cut that's not Baylor? Grab one other school of value that's doing well in teh smaller leagues and cut the tether). If you had to, you could take the four and drop Kansas State, but I'd prefer K State over the fourth of that group by a lot. Oh, and seperate the bball and fball conferences finally. And if the offers change, chane with them. So if Maryland goes over Missouri to the Big Ten, bring in Missouri, or V Tech to the SEC over Georgia Tech, then bring them in, etc.
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My hope is that A&M, KU, KSU and maybe someone else (Virgina Tech?) goes to the SEC, with the OK-TX four to the pac 10 along with Utah. Finally, Rutgers, ND, Mizzou and Georgia Tech join up with the Big 10. Then, only Iowa State and Baylor would lose out from the Big 12. I'd hate to see one of Kansas/Missouri (and even KSU) get left in the cold. Those are some pretty good programs.
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