Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

It has ALWAYS been 3 with me.

Then how did you steal 30 from barkeep?

[hoopsguy]

Daddy - since you are in the thread I think we all would be interested in your timeline for the last few days.

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops - I will type it up soon as I get home. I only have 4 more minutes on my lunch break here at work unfortunately....and internet on my phone is not the place to by typing up my timeline. I can tell you though that lynching me would be the wrong course of action...as unhelpful as the flowers I have provided have been.

I am a simple trader...in town to sell said flowers to a certain proprieter. that's all.

I should get home before lynch, but just in case:

VOTE LYNCH DODGERCHICK

VOTE NO LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

the stealing is damming DC...sorry
and I like blade's argument for keeping lsg alive I think?

sorry can't bold on phone CR. back to work as of 1 min ago!

[DaddyTorgo]

hoops - I will type it up soon as I get home. I only have 4 more minutes on my lunch break here at work unfortunately....and internet on my phone is not the place to by typing up my timeline. I can tell you though that lynching me would be the wrong course of action...as unhelpful as the flowers I have provided have been.

I am a simple trader...in town to sell said flowers to a certain proprieter. that's all.

I should get home before lynch, but just in case:

VOTE LYNCH DODGERCHICK

VOTE NO LYNCH LONESTARGIRL

the stealing is damming DC...sorry
and I like blade's argument for keeping lsg alive I think?

sorry can't bold on phone CR. back to work as of 1 min ago!

[Blade6119]

for the first time all game im totally confused as to who to go after

[Antmeister]

lol, I forgot my password and exhausted my 5 attempts so I have to use Antmeister's computer.

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Then how did you steal 30 from barkeep?

Yeah, I stole 30 shillings from Barkeep (5 of which were mine), but I've had 3 shillings stolen from me every single time.

This'll be my last post in a while cuz Antmeister isn't exactly happy with me using his name on a WW thread.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Antmeister

This'll be my last post in a while cuz Antmeister isn't exactly happy with me using his name on a WW thread.

should have seen my shock seeing him post here...but what does he care it doesn't count anyhow

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

for the first time all game im totally confused as to who to go after

FWIW, I'm not strong on Dodgerchick at all (remember I was the first one to put a vote on her today). I could vote for Daddy Torgo rather easily since I don't like the pile on Dodgerchick with no hard evidence against her.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

FWIW, I'm not strong on Dodgerchick at all (remember I was the first one to put a vote on her today). I could vote for Daddy Torgo rather easily since I don't like the pile on Dodgerchick with no hard evidence against her.

For me its the robbery, not the timing. Mr. W and brian d were also robbed when killed..thats what keeps my vote on DC...DT is just a guess, especially with his supposed 4 gold a night...but im very torn, and i could vote for path, izulde, and even hoops tonight

[Blade6119]

dola, and her not telling us until it became public we knew he was robbed and she was with him..then she admitted it, and said she didnt tell us becuase she was worried it would get her lynched.

DC, ill tell you right now for the future. Not telling us things that make you look bad is a lot worse then telling us. When we find out through other means, it will look a lot worse for you.

[Raiders Army]

Current vote tally (let me know if I'm wrong):

Dodgerchick (3)-Raiders Army, Blade, Daddy Torgo
Path (2)-Izulde, st. cronin
Daddy Torgo (1)-path

Not voted: bulletsponge, hoops, Dodgerchick, Swaggs

It's still very much open.

[Lorena]

Oh yay, I'm in. I used the same password every time I attempted to log in... not sure wht happened.

Anyway, I don't know what else to say other than what's been said.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

For me its the robbery, not the timing. Mr. W and brian d were also robbed when killed..thats what keeps my vote on DC...DT is just a guess, especially with his supposed 4 gold a night...but im very torn, and i could vote for path, izulde, and even hoops tonight

It's circumstantial evidence blade. That's fine, I made my peace with my lynching, just don't be surprised when I show up as good.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Dodgerchick

It's circumstantial evidence blade. That's fine, I made my peace with my lynching, just don't be surprised when I show up as good.

Did you vote yet?

[Lorena]

e har

Originally Posted by Blade6119

dola, and her not telling us until it became public we knew he was robbed and she was with him..then she admitted it, and said she didnt tell us becuase she was worried it would get her lynched.

DC, ill tell you right now for the future. Not telling us things that make you look bad is a lot worse then telling us. When we find out through other means, it will look a lot worse for you.

Alright, I learned my lesson, the hard way unfortunately.

[hoopsguy]

Quick player recaps:

Hoops - I know I started good and remain good, but others obviously get to judge for themselves on this point.

Izulde - Unlike earlier in the game, I have now seen that Izulde is a prostitute, which means that he started good.

Raiders - have not encountered yet, but vouched for by Blade

Swaggs - have not encountered yet, but vouched for by Blade

Blade/Cronin - have seen them together three times. I suppose there is a slight possibility that they are not Holmes/Watson but I have no interest in exploring this point today

Path - have seen Path on two nights so far. Do we have any instances where someone has killed on the same night they visited a prostitute? Has anyone seen two prostitutes in a single night (would be expensive)

Daddy - have not encountered him yet this game although he has seen prostitutes earlier in game (will try to pull up posts from Barkeep/Izulde). Has stated he is not a common villager - has he been robbed? Would seem like a good candidate for this if he can accumulate money faster and is not spending it ... if I'm not voting for DC I'm probably voting for him

Bullet - was vouched for as good by Barkeep early in the game. So like the prostitutes, only way for him to now be bad is for a conversion mechanic to exist in the game.

Dodgerchick - seems to have spent a few nights with prostitutes, although not me. Was with Barkeep last night and stole money from him on her way out.

[path12]

For the record, I think my vote is staying on DT regardless of the possibility of saving myself by switching. I'm going to be surprised if DC is bad so I don't see the point of switching to someone else I think is good.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path - have seen Path on two nights so far. Do we have any instances where someone has killed on the same night they visited a prostitute? Has anyone seen two prostitutes in a single night (would be expensive)

If I had a million bucks, you know what I'd do? Two chicks at once.

.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Did you vote yet?

No, I haven't. Out of self perseverance, I'm waiting.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by path12

By that same logic, it can't have been me based on the info bullet got from Barkeep night 1.

But I can only deal with the info or lack thereof that has come out. We've certainly got the margin for a bad lynch.

As for me, I think the fact that DC came right out and said she was with Barkeep when he died somewhat offsets the reluctance to mention the stealing. I'm going with the person who has never been vouched for by anyone and IIRC was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

VOTE DADDY TORGO
VOTE LYNCH LSG

Hmm good point. DT was with Blade and was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

While I still have my suspicions about you, the evidence for DT does seem stronger so therefore

UNVOTE PATH

VOTE DADDYTORGO

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Izulde, i mean no offense by this...but after dubb visited you last night i can no longer trust you. Im not saying your evil, but you and your comments are now viewed in a much dimmer light then others. Hoops has also fallen from my COT. You two have been replaced by others, and while respect your opinion, im just telling you i cant drust DC becuase you tell me to.

I find it a little curious that your COT has changed for those reasons, because the prostitutes have no say in who visits them.

But no offense taken.

[hoopsguy]

Here are my summaries of the Night actions. After this review I think it is less likely we are facing multiple opponents, unless one of them is LoneStarGirl.


Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

Post #845 (Night 2 results)
SnDvls - torn apart (Dubb?)
Izulde was arrested
Lathum lynched Day 2
No action by Saldana
No action by other killer(s) - Fagin/Moriarity?
Conversion chance this night? If so, could be Bullet or a prostitute as "known" goods

Post #1298 (Night 3 results)
Schmidty - beaten to death by Hyde (Saldana)
Mr Wednesday - backstabbed
Swaggs was arrested, Izulde released
No action by Dubb

Post #1768 (Night 4 results)
LoneStarGirl arrested, Swaggs released
No action by Dubb or other killer(s)

Post #1964 (Night 5 results)
Barkeep - poisoned during a visit from a john
LoneStarGirl remains in jail
No action by any other killer(s)

[hoopsguy]

And a hush falls over the crowd.

[Lorena]

I have shotty internet access, so I'm gonna have to vote before I can't vote at all:

Vote DaddyTorgo

Since I know I'm good and DT was the other John that visited Barkeep, then I'm assuming it's him.

'Til later... hopefully I'm still alive.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Hmm good point. DT was with Blade and was with Barkeep a couple nights ago.

While I still have my suspicions about you, the evidence for DT does seem stronger so therefore

UNVOTE PATH

VOTE DADDYTORGO

When the hell was DT with me????

[hoopsguy]

DC, are you suggesting that DT visited Barkeep last night? Or earlier in the game?

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

When the hell was DT with me????

Sorry, meant to type Barkeep and didn't notice I typed your name by mistake until you pointed it out.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I find it a little curious that your COT has changed for those reasons, because the prostitutes have no say in who visits them.

But no offense taken.

If dubb converted you, does it matter? He would have been just as happy with any of the others, except maybe barkeep if he was poisoned days ago.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Here are my summaries of the Night actions. After this review I think it is less likely we are facing multiple opponents, unless one of them is LoneStarGirl.


Post #455 (Night 1 results)
BrianD - beaten to death and robbed
Fouts - mauled by Hyde (Saldana)
Tyrith - killed in home by werewolf (Dubb)
No action by Lathum (Jack)

Post #845 (Night 2 results)
SnDvls - torn apart (Dubb?)
Izulde was arrested
Lathum lynched Day 2
No action by Saldana
No action by other killer(s) - Fagin/Moriarity?
Conversion chance this night? If so, could be Bullet or a prostitute as "known" goods

Post #1298 (Night 3 results)
Schmidty - beaten to death by Hyde (Saldana)
Mr Wednesday - backstabbed
Swaggs was arrested, Izulde released
No action by Dubb

Post #1768 (Night 4 results)
LoneStarGirl arrested, Swaggs released
No action by Dubb or other killer(s)

Post #1964 (Night 5 results)
Barkeep - poisoned during a visit from a john
LoneStarGirl remains in jail
No action by any other killer(s)

Note, both Mr. W and Barkeep were robbed just like brian D...thats the key to why im still looking at DC over izuldes trust

[st.cronin]

Does anybody think there is any value in going through the people KNOWN to have been seen with Barkeep? I'm thinking of switching back to DC.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, there is absolutely value in this. The only concerns is that it may not represent a complete list.

[hoopsguy]

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, there is absolutely value in this. The only concerns is that it may not represent a complete list.

Quite frankly im fine with either DT or DC being lynched...doesnt matter much to me...ill just scan the other tonight

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

DT is not confirmed, and DC confirmation is in doubt after what we all saw

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Of course, that list of people includes Path, DaddyTorgo, Bullet, and Dodgerchick - pretty sure they are all confirmed.

Problem is, confirmed by whom? Mr. Wednesday vouched for DT and bullet. Izulde vouched for DC. I'm at a loss as to who vouched for path. Also, just for language purposes, how about vouch instead of confirm. I think confirm is somewhat misleading.

[Blade6119]

I should say, this is the same izulde dubb believed would clear him and then came in and gave a shaky story

[hoopsguy]

Confirmed visits to Barkeep. So upon further review that doesn't narrow down my list all that much. Maybe overlaying it with the days they did visit would be more valuable?

I'm not sure if these days are correct
Night 0 - Path
Night 1 - Bullet
Night 2 - two johns
Night 3 - ????
Night 4 - Daddy Torgo and Dodgerchick (per Blade's post 1993)
Night 5 - Dodgerchick and someone else?

Barkeep was robbed of 30 shillings, so we should be able to figure out the number of johns. Start with 10, expenses knock off 2 per day. So with Night 0 counting that is -10. Forty shillings accumulated = 8 johns. So either it was just DC yesterday with someone on Night 3 or BK came up empty on Night 3 and doubled up again yesterday.

[hoopsguy]

Sorry about the use of word choice "confirmed" there - realized it as I posted it but it took awhile to run the numbers and track down posts for my next point/post.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

With DT, I can only confirm that he was Izulde's john last night, nothing more than that.

With bulletsponge and dubb, I can account for their whereabouts during intervals last night, again nothing more than that.

It seems fairly likely that neither is Mr. Hyde, but I would not commit to neither being the werewolf nor neither being Moriarty/Fagin/crew.

Here is Mr. W supposed confirmation of DT hoops is going off of. He in no way clears DT.

Suprise suprise though, its Izulde again...he seems to keep popping up

[hoopsguy]

Scratch that last post, bad math.

Start with 10.
Had 10 in expenses over five days.
30 stolen

6 johns, we have them all accounted for in the above post.

[st.cronin]

unvote path12
vote DodgerChick

I'm going with Holmes on this one.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Scratch that last post, bad math.

Start with 10.
Had 10 in expenses over five days.
30 stolen

6 johns, we have them all accounted for in the above post.

No, there are 7 in that post..DC claims she took her 5 back as well from last night, so you have to count her twice.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I should say, this is the same izulde dubb believed would clear him and then came in and gave a shaky story

I'd like to point out that I in no way cleared dubb, nor had any intention of clearing him. As far as I'm concerned, dubb's comment was just a ploy to try and sow discord among the good guys and your feeding into it shows that it's working.

Don't let it work.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Here is Mr. W supposed confirmation of DT hoops is going off of. He in no way clears DT.

Suprise suprise though, its Izulde again...he seems to keep popping up

Let's be accurate in reporting the data - I was asking why people thought MrW had cleared DaddyTorgo. I was trying to build a case against him, not clear him.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Izulde

I'd like to point out that I in no way cleared dubb, nor had any intention of clearing him. As far as I'm concerned, dubb's comment was just a ploy to try and sow discord among the good guys and your feeding into it shows that it's working.

Don't let it work.

No, i dont trust you becuase the only 3 people i know to have visited you reads the 2 top suspects right now and the WW..that speaks poorly, dubby or not

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

No, there are 7 in that post..DC claims she took her 5 back as well from last night, so you have to count her twice.

I guess that depends on how you interpret the numbers. Did DC say she got 30 + her 5? Or that she lifted 30 from the apartment?

Either way, at this point I'm going to

VOTE DODGERCHICK

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

No, i dont trust you becuase the only 3 people i know to have visited you reads the 2 top suspects right now and the WW..that speaks poorly, dubby or not

Why should that speak poorly? I told you, it's entirely random who visits what prostitute. The only thing prostitutes control is what district they work in each night.

[hoopsguy]

Also, does anyone have an idea where we are on the LSG lynch/no lynch vote?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Why should that speak poorly? I told you, it's entirely random who visits what prostitute. The only thing prostitutes control is what district they work in each night.

Izulde, would you publish your entire list of visits by night?

As for Blade's point, it speaks to you having bad luck and a greater chance of being converted, if that metric is in the game.

[Lorena]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

DC, are you suggesting that DT visited Barkeep last night? Or earlier in the game?

It was suggested that DT and I were the only 2 that weren't totally cleared (even though Izulde has repeatedly cleared me as good), so I'm going on that assumption.

I was talking about Night 4 when DT was also there.