WW LXVII -- The Return of Divination Nation! (GAME OVER STUDENTS WIN!!!) - Page 42

SnDvls · 02-26-2008, 07:52 PM

I think we'd be better off with one more villager IMO as we'd have one additional scanner for the last 6 nights

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 07:52 PM

Are you simply arguing strategy, or do you think that Sunny D had malice aforethought in engaging in a suboptimal strategy?

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I think we'd be better off with one more villager IMO as we'd have one additional scanner for the last 6 nights

Another villager of presumably average strategy.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Are you simply arguing strategy, or do you think that Sunny D had malice aforethought in engaging in a suboptimal strategy?

I dunno. Like I said I'd be more inclined to argue malice if Jackyl hadn't engaged in the same stupid strategy.

SnDvls · 02-26-2008, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Another villager of presumably average strategy.

30% right is better than 0% right

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

30% right is better than 0% right

30% is worse than 0%. And 50% is the worst of all.

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 07:56 PM

So 3-2 for Jackal now?

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 07:56 PM

For the moment.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

So 3-2 for Jackal now?

I believe so.

SnDvls · 02-26-2008, 07:57 PM

hi ardent long time no see

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

hi ardent long time no see

Yeah it is nice to see ardent in the thread.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 07:59 PM

I hope I'm right doing this.

UNVOTE The Jackal
VOTE SnDvls

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:00 PM

Unvote Jackyl
Vote MikeVic

SnDvls · 02-26-2008, 08:00 PM

unvote the jackayl
vote mike vic

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 08:02 PM

Heeeenteresting.

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:03 PM

What the! Why me?

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:03 PM

Only wolves can collaborate like that.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

What the! Why me?

Because I decided you were more guilty than SnDvls.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 08:04 PM

It's 3-3 between you and The Jackal, so it comes down to the tiebreaker.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Only wolves can collaborate like that.

Not exactly. When I voted it was a choice between SnDvls and Jackyl. I decided that SnDvls has struck me as less wolfy than Jackyl. When Mr. W suddenly changed his vote, I decided to switch to you to make my statement. Presumably SnDvls saw my switch and voted to create the tie.

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:04 PM

What reasoning? I just don't get it. I'm a student.

SnDvls · 02-26-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

What the! Why me?

had to save myself and hope someone tried some tricky stuff.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:05 PM

Mr. W can you explain why the late switch? I was pretty damn content on Jackyl at that point.

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:08 PM

Bah. I'll be back later.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 08:09 PM

I hadn't really been firm on voting for The Jackal in the first place. My reason for voting him was exactly what I said it was: I wanted some pressure on the SnDvls-Jackal duo. I was also a little concerned by the lack of any counter action to the lay of the land at the time I flipped. I was planning to do something like that for some time, although I waffled on whether I actually wanted to go through with it or not.

SnDvls · 02-26-2008, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I hadn't really been firm on voting for The Jackal in the first place. My reason for voting him was exactly what I said it was: I wanted some pressure on the SnDvls-Jackal duo. I was also a little concerned by the lack of any counter action to the lay of the land at the time I flipped. I was planning to do something like that for some time, although I waffled on whether I actually wanted to go through with it or not.

you just about gave me a heartattack...I couldn't type quick enough to change my vote and hope that I would be saving myself.

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:12 PM

Ok, so let's say I'm a villager. Doesn't that make BK, Jackal, and SnDvls very likely?

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:12 PM

Ok I'm really gone to watch Big Brother now. I'll be back later.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Ok, so let's say I'm a villager. Doesn't that make BK, Jackal, and SnDvls very likely?

3 wolves? You think they started with 5? C'mon.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 08:14 PM

We've on our last freebie right now. We've got to get a wolf in either this lynch or the next.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

We've on our last freebie right now. We've got to get a wolf in either this lynch or the next.

Hopefully the tiebreaker comes through for us.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Ok, so let's say I'm a villager. Doesn't that make BK, Jackal, and SnDvls very likely?

That depends on how you feel about Barkeep. I think that there are two wolves left, and if you're a villager, you'd have to think that at least one lies in that group (and probably both unless there's been a conversion). Personally, I'm leaning positive on Barkeep but not completely sold.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

That depends on how you feel about Barkeep. I think that there are two wolves left, and if you're a villager, you'd have to think that at least one lies in that group (and probably both unless there's been a conversion). Personally, I'm leaning positive on Barkeep but not completely sold.

I'm not at all sold on the idea of a conversion considering there's been no night with-out a kill, which is pretty standard tradeoff for having a conversion.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 08:18 PM

I agree. I think it's low probability, I just can't rule it out entirely.

Barkeep49 · 02-26-2008, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I agree. I think it's low probability, I just can't rule it out entirely.

I'd agree with that. A silent conversion means that our CoT could mean jack. So I'm rooting for no conversion cause I'd like to win this game.

MikeVic · 02-26-2008, 08:35 PM

I meant that the wolves (however many left) lie in that group. But then I read it again, and of course. They're the only ones left out of the COT.

I don't know how it works with a conversion. If you guys think that's not possible, then I guess that's the case.

The Jackal · 02-26-2008, 09:23 PM

Woah, woah, woah. I'm sorry I wasn't around at the deadline. Maybe I was wrong with my vote.. but I can't even tell which switchers were wolves. Color me confused.

The Jackal · 02-26-2008, 09:31 PM

What if olie lied about one of her scans? Mau said he did it, I bet wolves have done it.. I'm pretty sure the COT is secure, but she died before she could really get into the conversation about her scans.

She wouldn't have had much reason to lie, no, unless she was suspecting someone in particular.

The Jackal · 02-26-2008, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'd agree with that. A silent conversion means that our CoT could mean jack. So I'm rooting for no conversion cause I'd like to win this game.

That's true too. What if there was a role that scanned good until they were converted? I know I've had those roles in games I've run before, and clearly we weren't informed about what kind of roles would be in this one.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Woah, woah, woah. I'm sorry I wasn't around at the deadline. Maybe I was wrong with my vote.. but I can't even tell which switchers were wolves. Color me confused.

Well, it's possible that none were. Or it's possible that two of them were. About the only thing you can rely on is that I'm trusted, so I made my switch in good faith.

The Jackal · 02-26-2008, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Well, it's possible that none were. Or it's possible that two of them were. About the only thing you can rely on is that I'm trusted, so I made my switch in good faith.

That's a good point. I guess we'll have to see what happens when path gets around before we do any strategizing for tomorrow.

path12 · 02-26-2008, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I scanned path12 last night, and he came up madman.

That's a good accuracy rate.

The Jackal · 02-26-2008, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

That's a good accuracy rate.

I still don't know what my accuracy rate is because the bastard wolves killed heinz.

path12 · 02-26-2008, 10:16 PM

I show final vote as:

MikeVic - 3 - The Jackal (1983), Barkeep49 (2063), SnDvls (2064)
SnDvls - 3 - mauboy1 (2012), MikeVic (2024), Mr. Wednesday (2062)

Not voting: ntndeacon. ntn has no night actions tonight. Results coming.

mauchow · 02-26-2008, 10:46 PM

I'm getting restless.

path12 · 02-26-2008, 10:47 PM

Today reminds you of the old west. A showdown, students and wolves, each realizing the importance of every passing day. The conversation is terse but meaningful, and at the end of deliberations there is a tie between MikeVic and SnDvls. mauboy1 starts talking about breaking the tie, but is being shouted down. Finally MikeVic stands up, and pulls out an envelope.

"I have here a note from Mr. Edward saying that because of my test scores that I'm too important to lose." You groan inwardly, remembering all the times MikeVic stood up Friday afternoon to remind the professor to assign the homework, in this exact same kind of voice. "It's like, I know who should be lynched tonight, and it is SnDvls. Go ahead, check this note out. It's genuine." (He pronounced it gen - u - whine. You'd rather lynch him.) However, you are students, and the note is official. So SnDvls has the noose put around his neck and is hoisted..............

SLAM! Mr. Edward bursts into the room. "STOP!!!!"

You realize you haven't seen him for days. He looks a mess and reeks of old alcohol. SnDvls continues to kick and strangle above your head.

I SAID STOP!!!! DROP THE ROPE!!!!

The rope releases and SnDvls crashes to the floor. Mr. Edward rushes over to him, loosening the noose. "Are you all right?" he asks Sn, who is busy coughing and vomiting, an angry red rash around his neck.

Everyone at once is yelling something along the lines of "What the heck?" Mr. Edward holds up his hand for silence.

"Years ago, Mr. Felix forsaw trouble from the local wolves. He took a young boy, whose parents had been tragically killed, and groomed him to infiltrate the local wolf den." He points at the wheezing SnDvls. "This is that boy." He is a student, but has lived to this point as a wolf. He will be able to tell us who the wolves are!"

SnDvls looks oddly at Mr. Edward. "Who are you?" He looks around the room. "Who are all of you? What is this place?"

Mr. Edward looks crestfallen. "The trauma of the lynch must have given him amnesia. He needs care."

MIKEVIC, THE KNOW-IT-ALL, SWUNG THE VOTE TO SNDVLS.

SNDVLS, A WOLF SPY, HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A STUDENT. NIGHT 7 IS UNDERWAY. ORDERS ARE DUE BY 1PM EST TONIGHT.

If you feel you need more time for night orders since this result was late, PM me. I'll be willing to give some extra time if needed.

mauchow · 02-26-2008, 10:56 PM

What a crazy turn of events..

I was going to change up the tying vote as well but decided against it but it was too late for me to cancel(despite doing it before 8pm). But it worked out perfectly it seems.

mauchow · 02-26-2008, 10:57 PM

This now adds MikeVic to the CoT, Sndvls to the CoT and leaves THE JACKAL.

mauchow · 02-26-2008, 10:57 PM

And Barkeep, of course.

Mr. Wednesday · 02-26-2008, 10:59 PM

SnDvls, if you could kindly check in before the deadline, it would be much appreciated. TIA.

Nice going, MikeVic.

02-26-2008, 07:52 PM	#2052
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Are you simply arguing strategy, or do you think that Sunny D had malice aforethought in engaging in a suboptimal strategy? __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 07:56 PM	#2058
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	For the moment. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 07:59 PM	#2062
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I hope I'm right doing this. UNVOTE The Jackal VOTE SnDvls __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 08:02 PM	#2065
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Heeeenteresting. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 08:04 PM	#2069
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	It's 3-3 between you and The Jackal, so it comes down to the tiebreaker. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 07:52 PM	#2051
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	I think we'd be better off with one more villager IMO as we'd have one additional scanner for the last 6 nights

02-26-2008, 07:56 PM	#2057
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	So 3-2 for Jackal now?

02-26-2008, 07:57 PM	#2060
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	hi ardent long time no see

02-26-2008, 08:00 PM	#2063
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Unvote Jackyl Vote MikeVic

02-26-2008, 08:00 PM	#2064
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	unvote the jackayl vote mike vic

02-26-2008, 08:03 PM	#2066
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	What the! Why me?

02-26-2008, 08:03 PM	#2067
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Only wolves can collaborate like that.

02-26-2008, 08:04 PM	#2071
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	What reasoning? I just don't get it. I'm a student.

02-26-2008, 08:05 PM	#2073
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Mr. W can you explain why the late switch? I was pretty damn content on Jackyl at that point.

02-26-2008, 08:08 PM	#2074
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Bah. I'll be back later.

02-26-2008, 08:09 PM	#2075
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I hadn't really been firm on voting for The Jackal in the first place. My reason for voting him was exactly what I said it was: I wanted some pressure on the SnDvls-Jackal duo. I was also a little concerned by the lack of any counter action to the lay of the land at the time I flipped. I was planning to do something like that for some time, although I waffled on whether I actually wanted to go through with it or not. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 08:12 PM	#2077
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Ok, so let's say I'm a villager. Doesn't that make BK, Jackal, and SnDvls very likely?

02-26-2008, 08:12 PM	#2078
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Ok I'm really gone to watch Big Brother now. I'll be back later.

02-26-2008, 08:14 PM	#2080
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	We've on our last freebie right now. We've got to get a wolf in either this lynch or the next. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 08:18 PM	#2084
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I agree. I think it's low probability, I just can't rule it out entirely. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

02-26-2008, 08:35 PM	#2086
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I meant that the wolves (however many left) lie in that group. But then I read it again, and of course. They're the only ones left out of the COT. I don't know how it works with a conversion. If you guys think that's not possible, then I guess that's the case.

02-26-2008, 09:23 PM	#2087
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Woah, woah, woah. I'm sorry I wasn't around at the deadline. Maybe I was wrong with my vote.. but I can't even tell which switchers were wolves. Color me confused.

02-26-2008, 09:31 PM	#2088
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	What if olie lied about one of her scans? Mau said he did it, I bet wolves have done it.. I'm pretty sure the COT is secure, but she died before she could really get into the conversation about her scans. She wouldn't have had much reason to lie, no, unless she was suspecting someone in particular.

02-26-2008, 10:16 PM	#2094
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I show final vote as: MikeVic - 3 - The Jackal (1983), Barkeep49 (2063), SnDvls (2064) SnDvls - 3 - mauboy1 (2012), MikeVic (2024), Mr. Wednesday (2062) Not voting: ntndeacon. ntn has no night actions tonight. Results coming. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-26-2008, 10:46 PM	#2095
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'm getting restless.

02-26-2008, 10:47 PM	#2096
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Today reminds you of the old west. A showdown, students and wolves, each realizing the importance of every passing day. The conversation is terse but meaningful, and at the end of deliberations there is a tie between MikeVic and SnDvls. mauboy1 starts talking about breaking the tie, but is being shouted down. Finally MikeVic stands up, and pulls out an envelope. "I have here a note from Mr. Edward saying that because of my test scores that I'm too important to lose." You groan inwardly, remembering all the times MikeVic stood up Friday afternoon to remind the professor to assign the homework, in this exact same kind of voice. "It's like, I know who should be lynched tonight, and it is SnDvls. Go ahead, check this note out. It's genuine." (He pronounced it gen - u - whine. You'd rather lynch him.) However, you are students, and the note is official. So SnDvls has the noose put around his neck and is hoisted.............. SLAM! Mr. Edward bursts into the room. "STOP!!!!" You realize you haven't seen him for days. He looks a mess and reeks of old alcohol. SnDvls continues to kick and strangle above your head. I SAID STOP!!!! DROP THE ROPE!!!! The rope releases and SnDvls crashes to the floor. Mr. Edward rushes over to him, loosening the noose. "Are you all right?" he asks Sn, who is busy coughing and vomiting, an angry red rash around his neck. Everyone at once is yelling something along the lines of "What the heck?" Mr. Edward holds up his hand for silence. "Years ago, Mr. Felix forsaw trouble from the local wolves. He took a young boy, whose parents had been tragically killed, and groomed him to infiltrate the local wolf den." He points at the wheezing SnDvls. "This is that boy." He is a student, but has lived to this point as a wolf. He will be able to tell us who the wolves are!" SnDvls looks oddly at Mr. Edward. "Who are you?" He looks around the room. "Who are all of you? What is this place?" Mr. Edward looks crestfallen. "The trauma of the lynch must have given him amnesia. He needs care." MIKEVIC, THE KNOW-IT-ALL, SWUNG THE VOTE TO SNDVLS. SNDVLS, A WOLF SPY, HAS BEEN CONVERTED TO A STUDENT. NIGHT 7 IS UNDERWAY. ORDERS ARE DUE BY 1PM EST TONIGHT. If you feel you need more time for night orders since this result was late, PM me. I'll be willing to give some extra time if needed. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-26-2008, 10:56 PM	#2097
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	What a crazy turn of events.. I was going to change up the tying vote as well but decided against it but it was too late for me to cancel(despite doing it before 8pm). But it worked out perfectly it seems.

02-26-2008, 10:57 PM	#2098
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	This now adds MikeVic to the CoT, Sndvls to the CoT and leaves THE JACKAL.

02-26-2008, 10:57 PM	#2099
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	And Barkeep, of course.

02-26-2008, 10:59 PM	#2100
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	SnDvls, if you could kindly check in before the deadline, it would be much appreciated. TIA. Nice going, MikeVic. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

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