Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[Abe Sargent]

I was leaning CR anyway. Alright, I'm issuing a search warrant for Chief RUm as of now.

[LoneStarGirl]

I have already checked out Jonathan and he was cleaner than whistle.... although a little too clean now that i think about it

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I have already checked out Jonathan and he was cleaner than whistle.... although a little too clean now that i think about it

did it say he was clean...a little too clean? in what you got. if so wouldn't that confirm the Dr. role as they have to be clean and sterile?

just thinking out loud here.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Edition 26

Bank business dwindling

In what appears to be a reversal from last week where Bank business was booming, it appears of late more and more people are choosing to not keep their money in the facility. Bank officials state that it has nothing to do with their security, and that they have never been broken into in the history of that bank branch.

Fingers point all around

In what appears to be ongoing investigation of yesterday's murders, fingers appear to continue to point all over. The new judge has not wasted any time trying to get to the bottom of things either, as he has issued a new search warrant for Chief Rum this morning.

(Any detectives that might still be alive can execute this search warrant by sending in a PM requesting this as their action)

Streets fill up with trash

It appears now, after the fact people really do miss the janitor of our fine city. While alive, he often would be ridiculed for his smell or his station in life. Now that the janitor was viciously murdered yesterday you can find trash building up on every street, ally and sidewalk.

[path12]

I formally nominate Narcizo to be tomorrows judge. Thoughts?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by path12

I formally nominate Narcizo to be tomorrows judge. Thoughts?

It's a terrible idea. I won't be around to issue warrants at the start of the day before the bad guys get their kill order in. Unless I'm sure of BG protection it's a waste of a day's judging.

By the way I'm now leaning heavily towards Bsak as mob. I don't trust CR as far as I can throw him. I wonder how much money it would take to get him to say what you want? The promise of 3000 by the end of the game? Don't get me wrong. I honestly think that CR is neutral. It's just that we've been a bit too good-natured in our understanding of what being neutral involves. Being nuetral means that he would actually be remiss not to sell us out if given the opportunity to make a lot of cash out of it. And if anyone's got a lot of cash then it's Bsak.

CR vouched for the UMB post which vouched for Bsak - there's way too long a trail for me not to think that something could easily be wrong someway along the line. Bsak's voting was way, way dodgy at the start but he's somehow managed to glide away from the accusations, despite there really not being a whole lot in the way of confirmed evidence supporting him.

What I'd really like is for everyone still standing to conduct a defence of themselves, as if they were currently losing 7-3 in a lynch vote. We all know what we've been up to better than anyone else so we are ideal for gathering all the relevent information about ourselves.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The Big City Herald
Edition 26

Bank business dwindling

In what appears to be a reversal from last week where Bank business was booming, it appears of late more and more people are choosing to not keep their money in the facility. Bank officials state that it has nothing to do with their security, and that they have never been broken into in the history of that bank branch.

Ha! All we've done is remove the dirty, corrupt money from the system. Our bank is now as clean as it is safe.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I was leaning CR anyway. Alright, I'm issuing a search warrant for Chief RUm as of now.

I'd like an arrest warrant for king or bsak. Give the detective more swing room to react to any developing events later in the day if need be.

By the way, I'm glad you're still alive.

[Narcizo]

Meh! On rereading it looks as though Anxiety thinks user 11 was Lathum because the account was closed today.

Hmm ... I'm going to try opening a new UMB account. I guess I'll probably get a repeat IP error or something but it's worth a try.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

It's a terrible idea. I won't be around to issue warrants at the start of the day before the bad guys get their kill order in. Unless I'm sure of BG protection it's a waste of a day's judging.

The surest way of keeping the judge alive is to elect a new one each day, except for Anxiety and JE. Who would you nominate then? Because if Anxiety is judge tomorrow he is vulnerable.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Blade you said I was second on your most suspicious list, why did you check Narc and not me?

Because scanning you would tell me nothing. Narc has told everyone what your money situation was and is. I cant clear or damn anyone, so by targeting narc i confirmed his role as well as what he was saying about everyone else. Now i know without doubt how much you had, and i no longer need to check you out.

[Blade6119]

And to confirm what narc has been saying, he has a very very nice ring. Better then cronin nice...

[Blade6119]

VOTE CHIEFRUM

We have no idea if detectives still remain out there to serve the search warrant. If not, this vote will stand.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

And to confirm what narc has been saying, he has a very very nice ring. Better then cronin nice...

Does that clear him in your mind? I do not like the way he is avoiding the judge issue.

[Blade6119]

I think it makes him the banker, and knowing what i know of the actions mafia has taken i believe it does. I told you all a few days ago ive trusted him, and what i learned of him has not changed things.

Im not sure he is the best choice for judge though, all things considered.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I think it makes him the banker, and knowing what i know of the actions mafia has taken i believe it does. I told you all a few days ago ive trusted him, and what i learned of him has not changed things.

Im not sure he is the best choice for judge though, all things considered.

Who would your choice be then? I'm just trying to make sure we can get a consensus early so that we can make sure and get someone in there.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Who would your choice be then? I'm just trying to make sure we can get a consensus early so that we can make sure and get someone in there.

Id say lsg to be honest right now..she seems to have the most intimate knowledge of the most amount of people.

I will not be voting for cronin again today if it helps

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Id say lsg to be honest right now..she seems to have the most intimate knowledge of the most amount of people.

I will not be voting for cronin again today if it helps

Yes, that would be helpful not to vote for the dead person.

LSG would be fine with me also.

[Blade6119]

Alright, ill toss a judge vote LSGs way right now

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Alright, ill toss a judge vote LSGs way right now

So have I. I would strongly encourage everyone else to do the same.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
Special Edition

Police have confirmed that a new arrest warrant has been issued this afternoon for the detaining of Kingfc22. They chose not to provide any other details at this time, but insiders speculate it might be perhaps the first break in the case that they have made. When we tried to reach kingfc22's lawyer for a response, he was unavailable for comment.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Would you care to share anything about your financial movements over the course of the game king? I'd be very interested in hearing about them.

Sure. Like I said I am the poker player. I started the game with $500 and my only goal in the game is to reach a cumalitive total by the end. Every day I get to play a card game. I've played War, Hold Em and Blackjack so far.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The Big City Herald
Special Edition

Police have confirmed that a new arrest warrant has been issued this afternoon for the detaining of Kingfc22. They chose not to provide any other details at this time, but insiders speculate it might be perhaps the first break in the case that they have made. When we tried to reach kingfc22's lawyer for a response, he was unavailable for comment.

And we just wasted a warrant.

[Abe Sargent]

king, just want to let you know that I expect any remaining dectective(s) to fulfill the search warrant, not he arrest warrant, but i didn;t want it to just be an used ability.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Alright, ill toss a judge vote LSGs way right now

Why the sudden change to get a judge into power now? The past few days you were totally anti-judge while most decided this was good for the City early in the game.

Now you have done a 180 and are voting for a judge again.

The whole DT accusation still has me uneasy about your true status in the game.

[Narcizo]

I'm happy voting LSG for judge. Sending my vote now.

[Blade6119]

Ive been quite clear i wanted a judge, just not the one you were all voting for. Do not try to change what ive been saying...look back, ive always wanted a judge. I just didnt agree with who you were all throwing up as nominees.

By the way, how could DT have passed his role to me when we all saw Barkeep inherit the mafia money. Its the reason we caught him...so if DT passed it to me, where did that barkeep money come from?

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Hmm ... I'm going to try opening a new UMB account. I guess I'll probably get a repeat IP error or something but it's worth a try.

Didn't work. It would probably require a hacker or something to get someone a second account. If only we knew who was a hacker etc etc. No I don't really think this line of thought holds up, unfortunately. I still say it's a long line of uncheckable evidence that's currently "clearing" bsak.

[Blade6119]

Hey Bsak, ill offer you 250 for the gem..i only have 495, so im offering a little over half my funds...i have to get two for my victory condition, so i cant afford to give you more or i wont be able to get a second

[Abe Sargent]

I just remembered an old paper article that seemed to link the pawn shop with the mafia. Anybody else recall that? Am I making that up?

[kingfc22]

Vote Bsak

Not much other information is out there. Looks like it is probably between Chief, Bsak and myself.

Chief has an independent role like myself so I believe he is innocent. That only leaves one person for me to vote for.

Time to go to work.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Hey Bsak, ill offer you 250 for the gem..i only have 495, so im offering a little over half my funds...i have to get two for my victory condition, so i cant afford to give you more or i wont be able to get a second

I cannot do that sorry. It cost me more than that to get it.

[Blade6119]

What is your role king?

[Chief Rum]

Does being fortunate in a finders-keepers way mean anything to anyone else? Because my luck has apparently struck again. I have now had a second such incident in three day cycles. The first one has had me desperate to find law enforcement. The second is much the same, although I would guess Blade would be very interested in what I have found as well.

If the search warrant already placed is executed, what I have discovered should be found. My hope is that one will have incriminating evidence on it on someone still remaining in the game, although my likely fear is that you all will jump on the assumption it is me and lynch me.

That would be a mistake. I am neutral and doing a good job of achieving my victory condition without the aid of good or evil.

But things have begun to revolve around me, and I don't have any idea where they are coming from or who is responsible.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I'll be around off and on for the next hour and a half, so if anyone has questions, now is the time to ask them.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Does being fortunate in a finders-keepers way mean anything to anyone else? Because my luck has apparently struck again. I have now had a second such incident in three day cycles. The first one has had me desperate to find law enforcement. The second is much the same, although I would guess Blade would be very interested in what I have found as well.

If the search warrant already placed is executed, what I have discovered should be found. My hope is that one will have incriminating evidence on it on someone still remaining in the game, although my likely fear is that you all will jump on the assumption it is me and lynch me.

That would be a mistake. I am neutral and doing a good job of achieving my victory condition without the aid of good or evil.

But things have begun to revolve around me, and I don't have any idea where they are coming from or who is responsible.

First of all, DT tried to same whole Blade would be interested in what i have argument...so forgive me for having pause.

Secondly, why dont you just tell us what forced you to go to law enforcement the first, second, and third time now?

[Chief Rum]

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[Dr. Sak]

Well Chief it seems that two people, Blade and Narcizo seem to be throwing accusations around. I mean I was searched a few days ago and nothing came back positive yet I am still not in the circle of trust or whatever they want to call it. I tend to trust Blade just because he's been a little more open from the start about the gem and his role.

Narcizo seems to want everyone to give a defense and I have yet to hear anything from Narcizo about his own defense. He just assumes that we all should follow his lead and believe that he is totally trustworthy.

He's the banker so I'd assume he'd want as many people as possible to put money in there. It could gain interest. And who do we know has most of the money? Yea you guessed it, so why would he want to tick off the people that have the most money when one of his goals could involve the amount of money invested in his bank? He'd want to be in close ties with them to gain their trust.

[Dr. Sak]

Dola and to follow things up I have been keeping another close eye on King and he's been flying under the radar quite a bit. If I were doing something shady I'd want as little attention as possible.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

First of all, DT tried to same whole Blade would be interested in what i have argument...so forgive me for having pause.

Secondly, why dont you just tell us what forced you to go to law enforcement the first, second, and third time now?

Review my posts, and you would know. The first time I had information, information I tried to contact a detective with and had discussions with "User 11" (who appears to have been Lathum). I got his attention with a public post requesting law enforcement on Friday.

The second was late last night/early this morning, when I said I was pickpocketed. I sent in a crime report. I have not heard back on that, not surprisingly.

The third is just above, which I just received (or I just saw, that is) when I logged in now a half hour ago or so.

I have been squirrely revealing what the information or incidents is/are, because I don't want to attract too much mafia attention.

Of course, at this point, it's not like the mafia can't be aware of me.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

The second was late last night/early this morning, when I said I was pickpocketed. I sent in a crime report. I have not heard back on that, not surprisingly.

Thats what i was looking for..you to say this. I saw you say you were pickpocketed by ITC as he was dying, but saw no report in the paper. So then i thought, well if he knows ITC did it and is dead he wouldnt report it. But now your saying you were robbed and reported it, yet oddly enough there has been no crime report in the paper...odd that, no?

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I still have extreme misgivings about you, Blade. I have not dismissed DT's statement as others have. I think it is quite likely that what he said was true, and we need to be careful about trusting you. I don't necessarily buy the money with BK angle because I think he could have gotten that in another way in a game like this. It was BK himself who brought up the money, not Narcizo or even Lathum (the person hacked who was originally thought to be the source). I think cronin passed the ring on to DT, and DT might have done the same to you, like an ongoing conversion.

I also wouldn't put it past you to set up a double sabotage with cronin and DT to put yourself in a place of trust. You are all veteran WW players and could see you all making that decision as a new (albeit extreme) tactic to get a wolf deep into the trusted circle. And you're certainly veteran enough to pull it off.

You have just struck me as "off" the whole game, and I don't understand why everyone will excuse your idiosyncrasies, like your harping on Swaggs "stealing" your money. You have worked actively against us getting a judge, and you haven't helped much in finding new mafia at all since we got DT. And now you vote for someone acknowledged to by all to be neutral.

I am probably alone in these suspicions but they have bugged me for some time now.

[Abe Sargent]

Not alone. But I have to go with the more likely scenario that you are mafia, and thus you got the search warrant today.

[Dr. Sak]

Chief you bring up some really good points and put it better than I ever could.

[Blade6119]

If everyone wants me to, i can counter every point he made...but i dont feel like doing the work unless im near death

[Narcizo]

I have no time to read or think. It sounds like Chief is going to preparing for events not looking good for him.

Vote Chief Rum

Bsak go ahead and make your best case against me. I will hopefully be here to defend myself tomorrow.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Thats what i was looking for..you to say this. I saw you say you were pickpocketed by ITC as he was dying, but saw no report in the paper. So then i thought, well if he knows ITC did it and is dead he wouldnt report it. But now your saying you were robbed and reported it, yet oddly enough there has been no crime report in the paper...odd that, no?

The paper has been rather hit and miss, no? We only know of crimes that have been reported in there, not crimes that have been reported but not put in there. I think your logic in assuming that all reported crimes have appeared in the newspaper is flawed.

Second, I reported the crime from PMs to Alan, before I had read the thread (I was gone since early afternoon Sunday). So I didn't yet know ITC was the pickpocket or that he had been lynched. I found that out after the fact, reading the thread, amking it obvious ot me that I had been victimized by ITC before he bought it. I was probably his weekend target.

There also needs to be detectives around to investigate crime reports, I would think. The fact we likely only have one now at best might also inhibit the reporting of crimes.

Regardless, I did get pickpocketed yesterday and I did report the crime. Nothing else I control is in my hands (detective actions, newspaper editions, etc.).

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Not alone. But I have to go with the more likely scenario that you are mafia, and thus you got the search warrant today.

Anxiety, I ASKED for me to be searched! Keep that in mind. I will be searched, and some items of interest will be found. I have been trying to get them in law enforcement's hands for a couple days now.

I am glad you are searching me and hope that a detective is going to execute it.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

The paper has been rather hit and miss, no? We only know of crimes that have been reported in there, not crimes that have been reported but not put in there. I think your logic in assuming that all reported crimes have appeared in the newspaper is flawed.

Every crime ive heared reported has been in the paper, except yours...id love if someone else can say a crime they reported to alan was not announced. But from what ive seen, every reported crime but yours made the paper

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Narcizo

I have no time to read or think. It sounds like Chief is going to preparing for events not looking good for him.

Vote Chief Rum

Bsak go ahead and make your best case against me. I will hopefully be here to defend myself tomorrow.

That is disappointing. I expected the vote from Blade, but because he has had it in for me for a while (since our tete-a-tete earlier in the game), and because he is probably mafia and wants anyone who is not mafia to get lynched.

But you I hoped better for. I am not mafia. I have not lied once in this game. I have been very up front about who I am and who I do. I have in fact ignored ways to approach my victory condition even more closely in my effort to help the side of good.

I could have sold what I found, but I have chosen to keep them for law enforcement to find. I have publically harped on these things with every post since Friday.

If you really feel I am the best candidate for the lynch right now, before a warrant has even been executed on me, that is very disappointing.