Werewolf: The Rebirth (Game Over! Thank you for playing)

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by JAG

I believe we are failing at the bolded request.

Oops I was half asleep when I read this last night. I just thought we were not supposed to vote for it in thread.

[Thomkal]

sorry for the above GE, now see you meant Grover. But I must say that you have to give me more than you have the highest scores if you want me to support your case with Grover. Are you doing something besides research/engineering that will help the colony in some way like you hinted at in our previous discussion of my mistaken (somewhat) comment about you? I'm letting Grover make the decisions about his team here, so I have to support him over you unless you give me a reason to otherwise.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Hey Chief, mind turning off the No Vacancy sign over at the medical center. I may have a date this evening.

Now where can I find some flowers on this barren planet?

I'll be in the office late. Come on in!

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

sorry for the above GE, now see you meant Grover. But I must say that you have to give me more than you have the highest scores if you want me to support your case with Grover. Are you doing something besides research/engineering that will help the colony in some way like you hinted at in our previous discussion of my mistaken (somewhat) comment about you? I'm letting Grover make the decisions about his team here, so I have to support him over you unless you give me a reason to otherwise.

I should have done a better job of quoting.

Am I doing something secret that benefits the colony? Hmmm. If i was doing something, would it be in the best interest for me to divulge it? Probably not.

The issue with Grover is that he is just not that talented of an engineer. I don't know his score or credentials, but I know mine. I can say with 100% confidence that I am the best engineer and scientist on this colony. If you want to take that person off the engineering team, by all means go ahead. But I don't think that would be the sign of a very effective leader.

If anything, you should remove Grover from his position and appoint me as primary engineer if that is is your powers as leader.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I should have done a better job of quoting.

Am I doing something secret that benefits the colony? Hmmm. If i was doing something, would it be in the best interest for me to divulge it? Probably not.

The issue with Grover is that he is just not that talented of an engineer. I don't know his score or credentials, but I know mine. I can say with 100% confidence that I am the best engineer and scientist on this colony. If you want to take that person off the engineering team, by all means go ahead. But I don't think that would be the sign of a very effective leader.

If anything, you should remove Grover from his position and appoint me as primary engineer if that is is your powers as leader.

You may be right, but Grover was voted in. We're not going to remove him "just cuz" you said so, without any new information.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Mine didn't include it either. It just said I was a highly liked leader of a group of successful people. I assume I have the highest social skills due to certain events and information.

Originally Posted by Suicane75

You don't.

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Which is something you keep saying... But I can assure you I do...

Shouldn't the two of you social butterflies be able to work this one out?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Raven

You may be right, but Grover was voted in. We're not going to remove him "just cuz" you said so, without any new information.

Thank you for your support, Raven. This is what I have been getting at. He has continually said he is the best at engineering without providing specific examples or proof of WHY he's the best. It's his word against mine.

Like I've said, I have an engineering and science background. I'm an astronaut, I spent two years on the ISS. I am highly qualified to be the Lead Engineer. I think I have proven myself to be such so far with the success of our designs in defense and the construction of our Biodome.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yeah we probably are, but font and I should be able to discuss it at least

I think the discussion is perfect fine. But the actual voting should remain secret.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by Grover

Thomkal, I would like you to remove GoldenEagle from the Engineering team and appoint The Jackal.

This seems like a good idea. I originally kept Jackal off the Engineering team to use him on the Med Center. He's no longer needed there, so why not put him where he's useful.

[Suicane75]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Shouldn't the two of you social butterflies be able to work this one out?

Nothing to work out. I can lead ya'll to water (which we have a lot of) but I can't make you drink.

[fontisian]

I have more faith in Thomkal than about anyone else in the game right now, so I'm willing to leave the leadership position to him.

Zinto: Did you ever go into more detail on your abilities?

I dislike how self-centered DanGarion and GoldenEagle are when talking about their abilities and needs. They both attack the leaders (me, Thomkal and now Grover) for decisions that have served us well without adequately being able to explain why.

[timmae]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I think the discussion is perfect fine. But the actual voting should remain secret.

DG is correct. EF responded to my PM that the vote needs to be done in confidence. Any discussion regarding abilities or repercussions is open game.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by fontisian

I have more faith in Thomkal than about anyone else in the game right now, so I'm willing to leave the leadership position to him.

Zinto: Did you ever go into more detail on your abilities?

I dislike how self-centered DanGarion and GoldenEagle are when talking about their abilities and needs. They both attack the leaders (me, Thomkal and now Grover) for decisions that have served us well without adequately being able to explain why.

Served us well? We have dead piling up, injuries daily and I've been trying to get the damn supplies since day one and neither of you have taken the initiative to do so until you are forced to because we are out of supplies. I'd say my track record speaks for itself. I see the big picture. It benefits us to get the resources we NEED first before we start wasting the limited resources we had on luxuries. We are supposed to set up a colony, with less colonists we have less man power to do the work that we will need to do to SURVIVE.

Who the hell starts building and using our limited resources before we even have the resources to support ourselves? Show me where in your history books it shows that is the best course of action. How about you Mr. General. You wouldn't even go into war without support would you? Unless you were looking to fight a battle where the end would benefit you more than the collateral damage of all the dead and injured.

Research and Building is fine and dandy once we have our bearings but doing those things before we even have the resources to support ourselves shows me where your true colors are, and they aren't here to protect those of us that are doing the real work.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I am great at social and average at everything else.

Here you go Font.

[Thomkal]

remove goldeneagle from engineering team
appoint thejackal to engineering team

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Here you go Font.

Thanks. Can you get a little more specific on the distribution?

[Shoveler]

Not attempting to stoke the wildfire that is already out of control. But in case it is of any value, the night that I was protecting CR while he recovered from his unfortunate accident, I was not aware of anyone else doing the same.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by fontisian

I have more faith in Thomkal than about anyone else in the game right now, so I'm willing to leave the leadership position to him.

Zinto: Did you ever go into more detail on your abilities?

I dislike how self-centered DanGarion and GoldenEagle are when talking about their abilities and needs. They both attack the leaders (me, Thomkal and now Grover) for decisions that have served us well without adequately being able to explain why.

Thanks Font, I appreciate your vote of confidence, and I hope you will continue to counsel me in the days ahead should I win. Is there any position/section you would work best in?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Served us well? We have dead piling up, injuries daily and I've been trying to get the damn supplies since day one and neither of you have taken the initiative to do so until you are forced to because we are out of supplies. I'd say my track record speaks for itself. I see the big picture. It benefits us to get the resources we NEED first before we start wasting the limited resources we had on luxuries. We are supposed to set up a colony, with less colonists we have less man power to do the work that we will need to do to SURVIVE.

Who the hell starts building and using our limited resources before we even have the resources to support ourselves? Show me where in your history books it shows that is the best course of action. How about you Mr. General. You wouldn't even go into war without support would you? Unless you were looking to fight a battle where the end would benefit you more than the collateral damage of all the dead and injured.

Research and Building is fine and dandy once we have our bearings but doing those things before we even have the resources to support ourselves shows me where your true colors are, and they aren't here to protect those of us that are doing the real work.

Ah, so we can go gather supplies repeatedly whenever we want some, right?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Shoveler

Not attempting to stoke the wildfire that is already out of control. But in case it is of any value, the night that I was protecting CR while he recovered from his unfortunate accident, I was not aware of anyone else doing the same.

Heh, "unfortunate accident".

My memory recall also only has Shoveler watching over me that night, although I don't know that that fact has been questioned at all.

[timmae]

Would love to have had DG go on his rant about 6 days ago... Alas, here we are. Lets all go foraging... I have the sunscreen!

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Ah, so we can go gather supplies repeatedly whenever we want some, right?

Is that what I said...? No I said we should have gathered ALL the supplies from the start. We need those supplies to make any of the things we are doing useful. I mean I want my easy bake cremation oven. I love well done martian.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I'm still waiting to hear my deep, dark secret.

nah i don't really know yours was just pissed at you

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I can say with 100% confidence that I am the best engineer and scientist on this colony.

Delusions from fantasy island.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Thanks Font, I appreciate your vote of confidence, and I hope you will continue to counsel me in the days ahead should I win. Is there any position/section you would work best in?

With the exception of my social score, my stats aren't that great. I think keeping me around as a general jack of all trades (except engineering) is a good idea.

I am not fond of the idea of sharing secrets from earth. It reminds me too much of the clue game, where sharing those weaknesses led to an easy murder win. Sharing abilities, stats and goals, on the other hand, is absolutely vital.

[Thomkal]

ok off to dinner and such, be back in a couple of hours.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by timmae

Would love to have had DG go on his rant about 6 days ago... Alas, here we are. Lets all go foraging... I have the sunscreen!

Six days ago we didn't have anyone dead... If only those that are dead now would have had someone looking out for them maybe they would still be alive today.

But as we have found out there are already some people here that are used to people dying under their watch and those that enjoy roughing up others.

*shrug*

I might as well keep my mouth shut since everything I say is falling on deaf ears.

[EagleFan]

Sorry, busy day today; my youngest daughter's birthday. Trying to catch up now but then it will be her birthday dinner and celebration. Will be on probably from around 8:30 until catching up near deadline. Will answer any PM's (I see several waiting me) if there are questions.

Thank her for saving you from a BMS...

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

Is that what I said...? No I said we should have gathered ALL the supplies from the start. We need those supplies to make any of the things we are doing useful. I mean I want my easy bake cremation oven. I love well done martian.

I wasn't making a point about what you said. I was making a point about your overvaluing of those supplies.

Those supplies aren't replenishable. Going to get them doesn't save the colony. It's a one time thing, that's it.

We could have gotten the supplies first, and then did all that we did. Or we have what we did, which was build first and then go get supplies. It doesn't really matter. In the end, we end up in the same place--a built colony with unreplenishable resources.

Until we actually develop replenishable resources, this colony is doomed to failure. Going to get those other supplies, only moves your friendly scheduled colony demise down a day or two or however long those supplies will last.

By holding off, we have mitigated our risk of actually going to get the supplies, as who knows what is out there. And when we return with them, we will have some infrastructure in place to take care of them.

My main point is, you had this all big rant about how things would have been so better if we championed "your plan" to go get supplies from the start instead of going about it the way we did, but it is really pretty meaningless. We end up in the same place either way.

So that's what you hung your leadership hat on? Kinda like campaigning for President on the platform you can grab one homeless guy a glass of water, or paying for weatherproof windows for one randomly selected family.

Now, if you have a plan for an actual replenishable resource, I'm all ears.

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I should have done a better job of quoting.

Am I doing something secret that benefits the colony? Hmmm. If i was doing something, would it be in the best interest for me to divulge it? Probably not.

The issue with Grover is that he is just not that talented of an engineer. I don't know his score or credentials, but I know mine. I can say with 100% confidence that I am the best engineer and scientist on this colony. If you want to take that person off the engineering team, by all means go ahead. But I don't think that would be the sign of a very effective leader.

If anything, you should remove Grover from his position and appoint me as primary engineer if that is is your powers as leader.

Here's the thing. I suspect we all started with the same total stat scores. For you to be telling the truth, you would have to be completely concentrated in two fields, unlike every other person who has come forward so far. So, I'm inclined to believe that you are either lying or delusional.

GanDarion: 1. The decision to to build instead of collect supplies was a group one, thought admittedly one I influenced.
2. We have lost two people, both of whom were inactive. Are you really trying to fear monger and claim that we're on the point of death?
3. Building things worked, and each thing took time to get running. We have food, science, defenses, information, an outed stowaway, and relatively few injuries. I suspect that if we had gone to gather supplies and fallen behind on other efforts or lost people in the defense, you would argue that it all would have turned out better if only you were in charge.
4. Your previous complaints were all about not being put on missions that both were not suited for your skills and passed without you. Your complaints come off as ridiculous.

[timmae]

Wish her Happy Birthday from the Mars prison ship passengers!!

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I wasn't making a point about what you said. I was making a point about your overvaluing of those supplies.

Those supplies aren't replenishable. Going to get them doesn't save the colony. It's a one time thing, that's it.

We could have gotten the supplies first, and then did all that we did. Or we have what we did, which was build first and then go get supplies. It doesn't really matter. In the end, we end up in the same place--a built colony with unreplenishable resources.

Until we actually develop replenishable resources, this colony is doomed to failure. Going to get those other supplies, only moves your friendly scheduled colony demise down a day or two or however long those supplies will last.

By holding off, we have mitigated our risk of actually going to get the supplies, as who knows what is out there. And when we return with them, we will have some infrastructure in place to take care of them.

My main point is, you had this all big rant about how things would have been so better if we championed "your plan" to go get supplies from the start instead of going about it the way we did, but it is really pretty meaningless. We end up in the same place either way.

So that's what you hung your leadership hat on? Kinda like campaigning for President on the platform you can grab one homeless guy a glass of water, or paying for weatherproof windows for one randomly selected family.

Now, if you have a plan for an actual replenishable resource, I'm all ears.

Completely agree. Basically because of all the work we've done to this point, we can go gather supplies while the colony has some defenses, rather than we go looking for supplies and come back to find everything destroyed or stolen. We did things in the proper order.

[DanGarion]

Originally Posted by fontisian

4. Your previous complaints were all about not being put on missions that both were not suited for your skills and passed without you. Your complaints come off as ridiculous.

I did mention that I was sitting around twiddling my thumbs and that I was PHYSICALLY able to complete tasks just as much as you.

It doesn't really matter since you are no longer in charge.

Just as before I'll do whatever work my leader wants even if I don't agree with the work. I'll lead by example of being a hard worker supporting our colony as a whole and not looking out for my personal agenda.

[Grover]

Wow. A lot happened during my drive home from work.

[timmae]

So a mobster, a chemist and a mechanic walk into a cell...

[fontisian]

Originally Posted by DanGarion

I did mention that I was sitting around twiddling my thumbs and that I was PHYSICALLY able to complete tasks just as much as you.

It doesn't really matter since you are no longer in charge.

Just as before I'll do whatever work my leader wants even if I don't agree with the work. I'll lead by example of being a hard worker supporting our colony as a whole and not looking out for my personal agenda.

Yes. And I left you on the main task instead of healing because I suspected your stats there were better than mine. What is your complaint again?

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Grover

We need the supplies before we explore. Need to get the supplies to create some weaponry for defense out there. Can't go exploring with no means to protect ourselves

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Yeah, no sense researching offensive capabilities if we don't have any materials with which to construct martian death rays

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I also think there's merit in having weaponry before we explore places, even if by not exploring we're kind of in the dark. But rushing out to unknown places without methods of defending yourself seems foolish.

These posts play into my thinking. Gather the rest of our supplies, get research done for offense, develop whatever we can, then go exploring (beyond the flatlands, which seem safe enough.)

[britrock88]

Originally Posted by Zinto

If you want to vote Thomkal go for it but make him step down as sheriff today before we allow him to become the leader.

Concur here. I hope martial law is a bell we can un-ring, too.

[Shoveler]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Concur here. I hope martial law is a bell we can un-ring, too.

Cant really have martial law if nobody is enforcing it.

[Grover]

I believe Thomkal has said he would step down if elected leader.

[DanGarion]

I'm done for the night. See you after the deadline...

[Autumn]

vote gather supplies

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by Grover

I believe Thomkal has said he would step down if elected leader.

I am afraid of putting all our eggs in one basket. What if Thomkal ends up being the murderer? There is no way we should allow him to hold both positions.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Zinto

I am afraid of putting all our eggs in one basket. What if Thomkal ends up being the murderer? There is no way we should allow him to hold both positions.

I am completely in agreement here. No one should have two leadership positions. Especially as leader and sheriff. Too great a risk to take.

[timmae]

It doesn't seem like we are any closer to finding the murder or stowaway. Any thoughts on how to proceed? Are we just waiting to see who our leader and sheriff ends up being? Thom, how do we assign a sheriff if you end up as leader? Are we ok with shoveler pommeling suspect after suspect? Did we elect to imprison anyone tonight? Do we know any more about the gun and who may have it? It seems like the more information we receive the less we actually know. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

[Zinto]

Thom is the leader now. He needs to assign one of his deputies as the sheriff. He cannot be voted into the leader position today if he doesn't.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by timmae

It doesn't seem like we are any closer to finding the murder or stowaway. Any thoughts on how to proceed? Are we just waiting to see who our leader and sheriff ends up being? Thom, how do we assign a sheriff if you end up as leader? Are we ok with shoveler pommeling suspect after suspect? Did we elect to imprison anyone tonight? Do we know any more about the gun and who may have it? It seems like the more information we receive the less we actually know. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

Hahah it does seem like it doesn't it?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by timmae

It doesn't seem like we are any closer to finding the murder or stowaway. Any thoughts on how to proceed? Are we just waiting to see who our leader and sheriff ends up being? Thom, how do we assign a sheriff if you end up as leader? Are we ok with shoveler pommeling suspect after suspect? Did we elect to imprison anyone tonight? Do we know any more about the gun and who may have it? It seems like the more information we receive the less we actually know. Maybe tomorrow will be better.

britrock88 is a potential replacement. I admire his honesty about using force as a law enforcement official on Earth. He could have leveraged votes to harm the colony, but did not.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by fontisian

Here's the thing. I suspect we all started with the same total stat scores. For you to be telling the truth, you would have to be completely concentrated in two fields, unlike every other person who has come forward so far. So, I'm inclined to believe that you are either lying or delusional.

GanDarion: 1. The decision to to build instead of collect supplies was a group one, thought admittedly one I influenced.
2. We have lost two people, both of whom were inactive. Are you really trying to fear monger and claim that we're on the point of death?
3. Building things worked, and each thing took time to get running. We have food, science, defenses, information, an outed stowaway, and relatively few injuries. I suspect that if we had gone to gather supplies and fallen behind on other efforts or lost people in the defense, you would argue that it all would have turned out better if only you were in charge.
4. Your previous complaints were all about not being put on missions that both were not suited for your skills and passed without you. Your complaints come off as ridiculous.

what font said

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Sharkn20

I think that first gather the supplies to build the weapons and then go straight ahead to explore the safest place!

I think I like you Sharkn