Werewolf XLI - Apocalypse Awakens - Game over!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Would the Horsemen waste a kill like that? I would think they would be after all the kills they could get. They are so outnumbered that letting one night go without a kill on purpose doesn't make sense to me.

SPIDER-MAN

I can't imagine them wasting a night kill for that either, especially when it wouldnt clear doom without proof of being attacked anyways. I just don't see this as a likely case here.

I have seen weirder things before though, so who knows. I just think this is low probability.


(Off to dinner, back in a bit)

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

Finally, Hulk does something and he attacks an innocent. I actually hope I die so you can see your mistake. Don't forget to PM the mods for extra damage you big green galoot!

Mods, can I stab myself to add extra damage so I die??!?!

That would not be particularly heroic ...

[Bonegavel]

Originally Posted by Alan T

They do always get a night kill, but if a day passes with no one dead, they get an extra free night kill in addition.

Maybe your terminology is just confusing me when you say free night kill

They get at least 1 kill a night. The free part is because it doesn't cost them energy to do so.

[Bonegavel]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

That would not be particularly heroic ...

(ooc - working Wolvie into another Rage /ooc)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

They get at least 1 kill a night. The free part is because it doesn't cost them energy to do so.

Is that confirmed? I didnt see that anywhere in the rules?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

That would not be particularly heroic ...

Well wolverine is kind of an anti-hero, so it would fit him. I vote allow it

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

but, if Doom is Apoc, he will never be attacked because he can claim that he was attacked on night 1.

That's going under the assumption that Doom won't be scanned. Again, that's a huge risk for Apoc. and crew to take. They don't have time to sit back and wait, they have to kill. Wasting one of those kills on purpose is too risky.

SPIDER-MAN

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

Finally, Hulk does something and he attacks an innocent. I actually hope I die so you can see your mistake. Don't forget to PM the mods for extra damage you big green galoot!

Mods, can I stab myself to add extra damage so I die??!?!

HULK NOT BAD , BUT HAIRY MIDGET KEEPS TALKING ABOUT HULK, SO HAIRY MIDGET MUST BE BAD, SO HULK PUNISH BIG MOUTH!!!!

[Bonegavel]

In the event that there is not a day kill (excluding Day 1) the forces of Apocalypse will have the option to execute an additional night kill. Since the amount of total damage sustained is not published, the order of attacks and the player executing the "kill shot" will be noted in the end of day summary. The characters faction will be revealed upon death, and it will be revealed if the character was a member of the "Twelve".

Night Cycle:
Many characters will have powers that can be used during the Night Cycle. Additionally, the forces of Apocalypse will be able to initiate a night kill that is not related to expending health/energy. Heroes may be able to impact the night kill through use of powers. Below is the order for night actions. In cases where multiple actions fall in the same sub-category and order does matter (two attacks on same target, for example) a random number generator will be used to process the order.

This is right from the front page.

Evil gets 1 night kill. 2 if we don't lynch anyone during the day.

[DaddyTorgo]

i see the wisdom in what alan is saying about hawkeye. if hawkeye was one of the 12 i would think there would be more people jumping onto the vote for him, in order to finish him off...intresting point

[Blade6119]

I have my last class of the day, see yall in about 2 hours

[Bonegavel]

(Wolverine)

All I'm saying is that based on the scant voting records and evidence, Doom's case for evil is HIGH in my book.

Hulk is next highest on my list just because he is unreadable and too powerful to keep around.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

2) i cannot attack tonight. i am in a delicate situation with my energy and i need to conserve it for the night actions so that i can hopefully get some information to you...when evil comes to kill me tonight they will find that i can broadcast the name of the person who i find out tonight so you'll at least get that information.

Just to clarify, are you going to able to announce the name of the person who killed you or the person who is a member of the 12? I don't want a situation where you are killed and all we get is a name and not sure the meaning of the name.

SPIDER-MAN

[Bonegavel]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I can't imagine them wasting a night kill for that either, especially when it wouldnt clear doom without proof of being attacked anyways. I just don't see this as a likely case here.

I have seen weirder things before though, so who knows. I just think this is low probability.


(Off to dinner, back in a bit)

(Wolverine)

But you ARE all giving him a pass because of it. To me, it is the perfect use of a first night kill. Doom looks innocent to everyone now (except for me, obviously) and it is a perfect move to make if you are the agent of evil and have a way to stay safe in the process of attacking yourself.

I don't know how that logic doesn't open eyes.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

All I'm saying is that based on the scant voting records and evidence, Doom's case for evil is HIGH in my book.

Hulk is next highest on my list just because he is unreadable and too powerful to keep around.

What do you think of the case I put forward earlier regarding Juggernaut? I imagine he's in the same mold ability wise as the Hulk.

SPIDER-MAN

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

But you ARE all giving him a pass because of it. To me, it is the perfect use of a first night kill. Doom looks innocent to everyone now (except for me, obviously) and it is a perfect move to make if you are the agent of evil and have a way to stay safe in the process of attacking yourself.

I don't know how that logic doesn't open eyes.

Its not really a free pass. I don't know of anyone who has doom in their trusted list. Just most of us are saying that there were better candidates than someone claiming to be attacked without anyone else claiming they were attacked that night.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Bonegavel

(Wolverine)

But you ARE all giving him a pass because of it. To me, it is the perfect use of a first night kill. Doom looks innocent to everyone now (except for me, obviously) and it is a perfect move to make if you are the agent of evil and have a way to stay safe in the process of attacking yourself.

I don't know how that logic doesn't open eyes.

(Silver Surfer)

I can understand the logic. But Daredevil has vouched for him somehow, which gives me pause since I haven't gotten an evil vibe from Daredevil.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Just to clarify, are you going to able to announce the name of the person who killed you or the person who is a member of the 12? I don't want a situation where you are killed and all we get is a name and not sure the meaning of the name.

SPIDER-MAN

the name of the member of the 12. i don't know the order of things, but that's listed as an explicit night-power of mine, so i'd guess it supercedes.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well I had liked Sinister before. Obviously that no longer is an option. I do not know if I feel confident with too many of the others. If we need a 4th, perhaps Moon Knight might be an ok choice. I find it highly unlikely of him being a horseman due to his high profile nature.

(ooc) He's also one of the more creative players around, despite his usual high profile. I don't agree that he would be unlikely, I think particularly an insecure Apocalypse would be likely to pick a "skilled" player such as Blade (Moon Knight) as a horseman. (/ooc)

(Mathemanic)
Plus, I don't know what to make of his spontaneous invitation to me to join his team.

(ooc) In the course of catching up, I'm currently at the post to which I am replying now. (/ooc)

[Barkeep49]

Deadpool I agree that for better or worse we need to learn what we can from Hawkeye. I just hope we're lucky and he's bad because I think I'll bear the brunt of the problems if he's good.

Attack Hawkeye

[Barkeep49]

That should be warpath I'm addressing not Deadpool.

[Alan T]

Well here goes nothing then. Crossing my fingers too

Attack Hawkeye

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Deadpool I agree that for better or worse we need to learn what we can from Hawkeye. I just hope we're lucky and he's bad because I think I'll bear the brunt of the problems if he's good.

Attack Hawkeye

Don't worry, there'll be enough blame to pass around

[ntndeacon]

Attack Hawkeye -- fire ring

(Mandarin)
I like him better for evil more than any of the others mentioned today.

[ntndeacon]

(Mandarin)

As we been a team in naught but name only. There seems little reason to stay connected this group of peons. I leave you to your own abilities.

Leave FORCE

[ntndeacon]

(OOC)

I will be back after the deadline, as I have chorus practice, so I will talk with y'all later.

[DaddyTorgo]

i am around till deadline to answer whatever questions i can and offer opinion/insight/whatever to the best of my (admittedly newbish) ability

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i see the wisdom in what alan is saying about hawkeye. if hawkeye was one of the 12 i would think there would be more people jumping onto the vote for him, in order to finish him off...intresting point

The only way this doesn't work, I'd think, is if they're afraid of sticking out like a sore thumb for having also attacked Iron Man and Mystique.

[LoneStarGirl]

FYI, GoldenEagle is extremely busy today, he has his first soccer practice tonight. He came home, ate and left... so just letting yall know he might be home before 9, but probably not.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
At this point, it seems that my teammates have (understandably) forsaken me, except for Gambit, who is reincarnated with a new soul and doesn't seem to have gotten around to that sort of thing yet. I think it's best to start fresh with this, so,

Mathemanic (Mr. Wednesday) LEAVE TEAM Silver Moon

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
I am bothered by Juggernaut's push against the Professor, and by Wolverine's push against Doom. Then again, Wolverine's had it out for Doom since day 1... so it might just be petty personal jealousies.

I can see the logic in trying to take down Hawkeye, but I think my own energy is better spent on a secondary target.

[LoneStarGirl]

Mathematic, who were you thinking? I have 20 minutes and think I am going to attack Spiderman

[LoneStarGirl]

Actually, looking at the list of players, somebody who has been extremely quiet has been storm.... i might just change my vote off spiderman and onto storm

[LoneStarGirl]

(Monica)

Trusted ole Professor X... I haven't seen you vote for anybody yet

[path12]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

(Monica)

Trusted ole Professor X... I haven't seen you vote for anybody yet

(Silver Surfer)

I thought he was saying he would not attack because of his low energy.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(Mathemanic)
Spidey has made some interesting statements and choices. I need to go back and verify who's been beating the drum against him.

In his defense, he had a nice day 2 summary post that I largely agreed with.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

I thought he was saying he would not attack because of his low energy.

And I thought everybody punched holes in that theory but saying people who do that are imbicles.... I think that is almost a direct quote from Barkeep

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

(Silver Surfer)

I thought he was saying he would not attack because of his low energy.

correct. i used significant energy last night to scan AND put out a decoy. i only have enough tonight to scan and setup a "tripwire" type broadcast assuming that evil will come to kill me.

and that will still leave me even lower tomorrow as i'll only recover 50% of the energy i use tonight.

my +1 damage isn't THAT significant compared to the good i can do at night

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

to clarify. if i use a +1 attack i won't be able to scan AND tell you guys the results (assuming i am going to be night-killed). i'll be able to scan and be a sitting duck.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Since nothing else is going on, let's look at who attacked Mystique on Day One.

The one that really intrigues me from this list is Juggernaut. He has been UTR all game. His attack against Mystique on day one makes it sound like he's trying to protect Iron Man, but at that time it was pretty much known that Iron Man was going to die. On day two, his attack against Hawkeye was again supposed to help Doom even though Doom wasn't in danger of dying. Add to this his coming out earlier calling for us to attack the Professor and it all sounds bad to me.

SPIDER-MAN

I like this thinking.

DD

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

And I thought everybody punched holes in that theory but saying people who do that are imbicles.... I think that is almost a direct quote from Barkeep

You sure are coming up with alot of misleading wording. Is it on purpose, or something else going on here?

The only reason to save energy by not attacking during the day is if you have a need for that energy point -that evening-. ProfessorX has been very forthcoming on why he needs to use that energy tonight instead of today.

There is no reason to save energy for the next day as you won't get any additional points for the next day by not attacking today, so those who are claiming to not want to attack to save energy are either:

A) Evil

B) Telling evil they have some role they want to use at night.

Either of those probably aren't a good thing without proper reason.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

I like this thinking.

DD

So do i, which is exactly why I changed my mind off of voting for him. But I refuse to vote Hawkeye. That really only leaves the Hulk and the quieter players. Damn, I have to go to class ...

Attack Hulk

[Jonathan Ezarik]

With all the teams collapsing and a couple days under out belts, here's a list of the original teams:

Silver Moon: Moon Knight, Professor X, Gambit, Silver Surfer, Mathematic
Mutant First: Magneto, Warpath, Mystique, Cannonball
DOOM,Sinister&Co: Dr. Doom, Mr. Sinister, Juggernaut
LaResistance: Hawkeye, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Wolverine
Force: Storm, Hulk, Mandarin, Venom
Atlantic Alliance: Captain America, Iron Man, Captain Britain

I bring this up because there had been some talk about whether or not the wolves would try to stick together in a team or spread themselves out.

Silver Moon: One player vouched for, four unknowns
Mutant First: One confirmed good, three unknowns
DOOM, Sinister & Co.: One confirmed good, one suspected good, one unknown
La Resistance: five unknowns
Force: four unknowns
Atlantic Alliance: One confirmed good, one vouched good, one suspected good

Now, what does this all mean? Unfortunately, I'm not sure at this time. It's safe to say that Apoc. and crew split into at least two groups and most likely they spread themselves evenly amongst everyone. I'll try to go back over how the teams were formed later tonight. I don't know if we'll learn anything, but it can't hurt to dig.

SPIDER-MAN

[DaddyTorgo]

LSG is very much raising my eyebrow still with all of her curious play. I'm really surprised that we havn't crystallized a movement on her AT ALL. She has barely garnered any serious discussion, playing a great game if she is a wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

spidey...if you do that...i think we can agree it would only help your cause, that's for sure

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

With all the teams collapsing and a couple days under out belts, here's a list of the original teams:

Silver Moon: Moon Knight, Professor X, Gambit, Silver Surfer, Mathematic
Mutant First: Magneto, Warpath, Mystique, Cannonball
DOOM,Sinister&Co: Dr. Doom, Mr. Sinister, Juggernaut
LaResistance: Hawkeye, Daredevil, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Wolverine
Force: Storm, Hulk, Mandarin, Venom
Atlantic Alliance: Captain America, Iron Man, Captain Britain

I bring this up because there had been some talk about whether or not the wolves would try to stick together in a team or spread themselves out.

Silver Moon: One player vouched for, four unknowns
Mutant First: One confirmed good, three unknowns
DOOM, Sinister & Co.: One confirmed good, one suspected good, one unknown
La Resistance: five unknowns
Force: four unknowns
Atlantic Alliance: One confirmed good, one vouched good, one suspected good

Now, what does this all mean? Unfortunately, I'm not sure at this time. It's safe to say that Apoc. and crew split into at least two groups and most likely they spread themselves evenly amongst everyone. I'll try to go back over how the teams were formed later tonight. I don't know if we'll learn anything, but it can't hurt to dig.

SPIDER-MAN

I have actually gone back and forth in my thoughts about this since I originally brought up this discussion. I highly doubt 3 or 4 are in a team. However part of me wonders if there were teams of 2 or at least 1 team of 2. The bad guys could benefit from the voting bonus as well. I guess I'm not sold one way or another yet.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

So do i, which is exactly why I changed my mind off of voting for him. But I refuse to vote Hawkeye. That really only leaves the Hulk and the quieter players. Damn, I have to go to class ...

Attack Hulk

You agree that I state a good case against Juggernaut (and in the process exonerate Hulk), yet you attack Hulk? Hmm...

SPIDER-MAN

[Qwikshot]

Leave Team Silver Moon

(Gambit)

Since there iz no team no more, I shall find another to join.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

LSG is very much raising my eyebrow still with all of her curious play. I'm really surprised that we havn't crystallized a movement on her AT ALL. She has barely garnered any serious discussion, playing a great game if she is a wolf.

(Mathemanic)
Aside from being the only one to attack both of the 12 who we killed, of course.

I'm having nothing to do with attacks on the Hulk or on Doom today.

[Raiders Army]

*Deadpool*

Well, I'm glad that some of you have gone into action.

I was thinking this was a Bruce Jones comic or something.