2015 MLB thread

[Vince, Pt. II]

Here's a pretty good, level-headed take on the matter.

"Chase Utley is gross, but he's not wrong. The system is wrong, man."

[Atocep]

High school baseball's rule clarification on what a legal slide is:

Illegal slides

What is an illegal slide? An illegal slide occurs when a runner uses a rolling, cross-body or pop-up slide into the fielder; the runner’s raised leg is higher than the fielder’s knee when the fielder is in a standing position; the runner goes beyond the base and makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder; the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or the runner tries to injure the infielder. (Fed 2-32-1a-e)

The NCAA went into even greater detail on force plays and this is more or less what's being used at every level of play outside of MLB now.

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[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

I stand corrected:

As has already been pointed out, you want 6.05, not 7.09. By rule both the batter and runner should likely have been out for runner's interference. I'm really not sure how both the on-field and replay crews missed that.

But the game's not getting replayed, so the larger questions are: does Utley get suspended (he should be, but I felt the same about the Kang injury and nothing happened there)? And where does the series go from here? Do the Mets unravel or do they rally around Tejada and win one for the Gipper, so to speak?

[Vince, Pt. II]

In terms of the series? The Mets stole one on the road already, and did it against one of the Dodgers' two best (only?) pitchers. I have to think that they're the favorites at this point, even without Tejada.

[Glengoyne]

I'm much more disappointed with the ruling that Utley was safe, than I am upset about the slide.
Yes the slide was bad. There was only an intent to take out the fielder, not any attempt to arrive safely at the bag. I'd actually like to see this addressed by rules that are enforced.

I'm not a fan of 'the neighborhood' when it comes to turning double plays, but in this case it doesn't even look conclusive that Tejada missed the bag. I'm not seeing day light between the shoe and bag just shadows. That to me is the aggregious ruling here.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Suicane75

Just curious, do you watch a lot of baseball? Because as others have said, it's a relatively normal occurrence. He goes directly over the bag, which is the letter of the law and happens quite often.

I get being against that sort of slide being legal, but to act like it's the dirtiest thing you've ever seen is hyperbole.

My grandfather was a semi pro player before the war. I'd guess My earliest memories are of watching baseball games on his lap. I would guess I've seen as much or more baseball than most anyone on this forum.

No, it isn't a normal play. It just isn't. A body check near the waist on a play when a player has started his slide past the bag happens very, very rarely. If it were a normal, SS and 2B would have to have body armor. yes, they deal with hard slides all the time, yes the runners get a lot of leeway here.

But not this much. no way in hell do they get this much. That slide was BEYOND late. Any ump worth a crap would have seen known it too. It's why Torre couldn't defend it last night. He knew it was wrong and he knew his guys F'd up the call horribly. Again, that was a disgusting, disgusting play. Utley crossed a line and he should pay the price for it. It's just too bad the right call wasn't made last night.

[AENeuman]

Originally Posted by stevew

I don't think anyone would care if it was a normal slide. This was essentially a dirty WWE style attack.

Nothing was normal about it. I'm not sure how many ss/2b would start their throw to first with their back turned to an aggressive runner baring down on them. I think he was trying a game saving play at tremendous risk. It makes sense a player was injured that was not set or even aware of the players proximity.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Craig Biggio argues against rules change in wake of Ruben Tejada-Chase Utley collision

The article includes the strong opposition to any rule changes from not only the HOF 2B (and former catcher) Biggio but also Joe Maddon.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Craig Biggio argues against rules change in wake of Ruben Tejada-Chase Utley collision

The article includes the strong opposition to any rule changes from not only the HOF 2B (and former catcher) Biggio but also Joe Maddon.

So long as they ENFORCE the current rules on the books, I am also against rules changes. Last nights play was NOT legal.

[Young Drachma]

Not watching the Jays Game 3. Figure if they lose, I don't wanna watch that. If they win, that means I get a Game 4. I might boycott that too. I'm not much into funerals.

[Atocep]

Utley suspended for 2 games.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by TroyF

So long as they ENFORCE the current rules on the books, I am also against rules changes. Last nights play was NOT legal.

If the rules were enforced the way they were written AND mlb clarified what exactly a legal slide is I don't think there'd be much issue.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Utley suspended for 2 games.

But...he was playing the game the right way!

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Utley suspended for 2 games.

If Utley gets two whoever the fuck reviewed that play ahould get double that

[MrBug708]

No problems with it. Just two missed ABs

[MrBug708]

I guess no brawl in NY now

[MikeVic]

Who are the commentators for the Jays/Rangers game? I'm half paying attention to them, but one of them with king of a stutter was complaining about Price warming up. Said look at the score, why would you use Price now when you have the game in hand and could start him again this series... blah blah blah, that part just didn't make sense to me what he was getting at. And then just now, he's saying it's only 5-1 the game is still within range, blah blah blah. Wtf, this guy's analysis sucks.

[Tellistto]

I do not know which ones you were hearing. I honestly had to stop watching the US broadcast because I could no longer stand listening to Reynolds. The absolutely most horrible baseball game broadcast I have ever had the displeasure to witness.

I think I am going to put the TV on mute and listen to the radio broadcast while watching the game. At least then I'll be listening to people that actually give a shit about the game that they are commentating.

That is all.

Tell

[Tellistto]

dola,

To put a point on my point. Bases loaded, nobody out. I wanted to know, was the infield in or back? Double play in the middle, in at the corners? Not a camera shot, not a word from the crew announcing the game. I really wanted to know what was happening in the game. I didn't get my wish.

Turns out, it seemed like it was in at the corners and double play depth in the middle, grounder to 1st throw home, back to 1st for the double play.

I just really wanted to know about that game, and that crew refused to talk about it.

Hate it, hate it, hate it. Will NOT listen to a FS1 or MLBN broadcast ever again so long as they have that crew.

TELL ME ABOUT THE DAMN GAME!

Okay, now I'm done.

Tell

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Who are the commentators for the Jays/Rangers game? I'm half paying attention to them, but one of them with king of a stutter was complaining about Price warming up. Said look at the score, why would you use Price now when you have the game in hand and could start him again this series... blah blah blah, that part just didn't make sense to me what he was getting at. And then just now, he's saying it's only 5-1 the game is still within range, blah blah blah. Wtf, this guy's analysis sucks.

I heard that, too, and I thought it was phenomenally stupid. Whoever it was (don't think it was Reynolds, so I figure it was Verducci) was saying "well, he's warmed up now, you have to use him."

No, dumbass, you don't.

He did have a point, though, on wondering why the hell Price was even out there warming up near the end of a 5-1 ballgame.

[MikeVic]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I heard that, too, and I thought it was phenomenally stupid. Whoever it was (don't think it was Reynolds, so I figure it was Verducci) was saying "well, he's warmed up now, you have to use him."

No, dumbass, you don't.

He did have a point, though, on wondering why the hell Price was even out there warming up near the end of a 5-1 ballgame.

Yeah, I can see why you'd wonder about price warming up, but I can kind of see it from the perspective that they have no other left handers in the pen. They used loup and Cecil is out with a torn calf. And I guess starters need longer to warm up if they have to be used. So just in case the rangers start a come back and they need a lefty, it had to be price. I just didn't get how he's contradicting himself saying the game is out of hand with a 4 run lead, and then says the rangers can still come back lol. The jays have to win that game, so better safe than sorry if hes your only lefty.

I didn't understand the guy saying you have to use him though, what will happen if you don't? He just warmed up, no big deal.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by MrBug708

I guess no brawl in NY now

His appeal won't be held before the game, so he's going to be eligible tonight.

I don't care about him playing based on his skills or a desire to see a punishment. I wish he was out just so everyone could be focused on winning the fucking game and not going for "vengeance".

[Logan]

Anyone watching this game online now through Fox's site? I keep getting the same message of "a network error occured (sic) when communicating with the provider's authorization service".

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Logan

Anyone watching this game online now through Fox's site? I keep getting the same message of "a network error occured (sic) when communicating with the provider's authorization service".

I am, no issues thus far.

[Ramzavail]

Going tonight. Can't wait for 837pm.


I think replay has bred replays like this that we would have never thought about challenging before. It was always about homeruns, foulballs, close plays at 1st but now a guy steals 2nd base and he takes his foot off the base for a millisecond after he's been called safe and we will challenge that. A 2nd baseman will be an inch off the base on a force play or trying to turn a double play, and we will challenge it.


We never sat here 3-5-7 years ago and said, damn, I wish we had replay because we would have totally challenged that. Replay has been great, but also there's a whole nother side that has come from it that we never thought about before.

[Logan]

Awesome, enjoy!

[Grover]

Bad feeling in my gut that the Royals aren't going to get this to game 5.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Total horseshit call there. I'm not sure he should have been stealing third, but that was a brutal reversal.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Total horseshit call there. I'm not sure he should have been stealing third, but that was a brutal reversal.

I thought it was nigh impossible to tell whether he maintained the tag with the split-second Gore's foot was off the base.

He may have been out, but it wasn't nearly conclusive enough (in my eyes) to overturn the call.

[Grover]

Correia is just so damn good. Amazing that he can be in the majors for four months and be the best shortstop in either league. And he's only going to get better.

He and Xander Bogaerts are going to have some incredible battles for top SS for years to come.

[MizzouRah]

Correia is a beast. Good to see Rasmus doing well.

Royals load the bases, no outs!

[Grover]

holycrapholycrapholycrap.

[tucker rocky]

Houston lets a 4 run lead slip away.

[MikeVic]

Ok, why is Price up in the pen in the first inning with two outs, two runners on, and no runs allowed yet... just start him if you don't trust Dickey already!!

[Logan]

There's something about Matt Vasgergian's voice that to me always makes him sound like he's doing PBP from an offsite studio.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Amazing game. Would be unbelievable to see lightning strike twice in two seasons for the Royals.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

There's something about Matt Vasgergian's voice that to me always makes him sound like he's doing PBP from an offsite studio.

I've always loved it because it feels like I'm watching a live version of 'The Show'.

[HomerSimpson98]

ANybody but the fucking Royals. Fuck.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ding dong!!!!! Hosmer!!!!!

Don't give us yet, Houston. There is a game five still to come assuming Wade shuts 'em down in the ninth.

[Logan]

Getting ugly in Houston.

[Logan]

BTW it sounded like Vasgersian actually was elsewhere on the Hosmer HR cause he treated it like a pop fly until it cleared the fence.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

From the Governor of Texas:

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Boy, assuming the Toronto lead holds up, going to be a great set of elimination games on Wednesday. So much fun.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Boy, assuming the Toronto lead holds up, going to be a great set of elimination games on Wednesday. So much fun.

Shhh...your boy Matt V thinks G5 HOU-KC is Tuesday.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Logan

Shhh...your boy Matt V thinks G5 HOU-KC is Tuesday.

They have that same bug in MLB: The Show '15.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Glad to see this guy look like a fool given his comments in the past...........

Jason La Canfora on Twitter: "The post-season won't be the same without the Royals. Hard to imagine how MLB survived for those 30 yrs they didn't make it. I'm all torn up"

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

If Utley gets two whoever the fuck reviewed that play ahould get double that

Seems like the suspension wI'll be overturned

[Grover]

I've always liked Vasgersian's voice and cadence.

Unbelievable comeback. Glad my gut was wrong. Hopefully Cueto can get off to a great start on Wednesday night and they can put it away early.

Wishful thinking. Game 5 will be a battle.

[MikeVic]

Holy shit, I hate these fucking commentators. Turning it off and listening to the radio broadcast. They're trying to find some tension between Dickey and the Jays for pulling him for Price. They talked to Gibbons earlier and he said Price was up in the first on his own, preparing just in case. And then now the commentators are saying how would you feel if you were Dickey? You worked a lot to get to where you are now, and they had Price warming up in the first. I don't know, just pissed me off for some reason.

[tucker rocky]

Wind blowing out hard at Wrigley, should be interesting.