Werewolf: Hunt for Necromancers - GAME OVER! Post #3469

[Fouts]

Not sure what answer you would get from #1035. If he isn't a meaningless villager, he could be either good or bad.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

dubb, go ahead and and scan that one then, I am not the head nec or a nec at all so I have nothing to worry about.

IF you come back clean you better be ready to tell us how you know that Fouts is clean.

[Barkeep49]

1.
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3.
4.
5.
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14.
15.
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19.
20.
21.
22.

Ok that's what we know. So now I'm assuming that, for the moment, there are 5 bad guys. I also strongly ssupect that there is an EG, at least one more good EG role, and dubb's soothsayer. So that gives us the following chart:
1. Bad guy C
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Bad guy D
4. Head Necro
5. EG
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb -- soothsayer
8. Good EG
9.
10.
11.
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14.
15.
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19.
20.
21.
22.

How do we fill in the rest of this chart?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Seeing how we only have had 2 night attacks that means that the necs have been searching for one another over 4 nights. If there are 6 or 7, which I highly doubt, don't you think they would have found each other by now and at least have 1 night kill.

There could have been Night Attacks on each other as well. We wouldn't know about those. Also, a target against the favored would have failed, and we wouldn't knopw that, either.


-Anxiety

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Obviously, I don;t knw, but I was think 7 - around a third.

BTW, that'd also be why so many dead Egyptians have roles. With a smaller number of Egyptians, there'd be a larger percentage of them with roles.

Let's look at a few disadvantages the Necs have:

Their big gun, the Mummy, loses to our big gun, the Avatar.
They don't know who each other is at the beginning. As we've seen, taht's given us a huge tempo advantge over them as we have early momentum.
The EG role is much more powerful than normal.
The Necs don't win when they get even numbers, they only win when they eliminate all Egyptians.

And consider, for a minute, that we have two mystics.

How many Necs in this group? My guess, around a third.

-Anxiety

Good post. Let me tell you, the necros want me dead. I am betting they have a couple guys around to summon a mummy. I am your protection.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

and 3 are dead!

werent you the one yelling at me for making comments like this when i died?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

1.
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3.
4.
5.
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14.
15.
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19.
20.
21.
22.

Ok that's what we know. So now I'm assuming that, for the moment, there are 5 bad guys. I also strongly ssupect that there is an EG, at least one more good EG role, and dubb's soothsayer. So that gives us the following chart:
1. Bad guy C
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Bad guy D
4. Head Necro
5. EG
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb -- soothsayer
8. Good EG
9.
10.
11.
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14.
15.
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19.
20.
21.
22.

How do we fill in the rest of this chart?

Head Nec and Dreamwaver, obviously.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

There could have been Night Attacks on each other as well. We wouldn't know about those. Also, a target against the favored would have failed, and we wouldn't knopw that, either.


-Anxiety

Why wouldn't the favored come out with that?

[Abe Sargent]

NM, didn;t see them in there

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Why wouldn't the favored come out with that?

In the rules it says that they won't even know if they are attacked.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Fouts

Not sure what answer you would get from #1035. If he isn't a meaningless villager, he could be either good or bad.

All you need to scan is the "I know I'm a good guy"


it wasn't said to set up a favorable scan it was said in response to Alan thus I think it's a fair phrase to scan and would give us a true or false statement.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Head Nec and Dreamwaver, obviously.

I have the head necro in there (#4). So adding a dreamweaver still gives us 8 slots to fill. I would suggest if there is a generic baddie there is a generic good guy. So Vanilla Villager brings us down to seven.

[Abe Sargent]

BTW, we have not confirmed a single Egyptian without a role yet. My theory accounts for that in a way other than saying "We're unlucky"

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

werent you the one yelling at me for making comments like this when i died?

I miss blade

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

In the rules it says that they won't even know if they are attacked.

Good catch.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

There could have been Night Attacks on each other as well. We wouldn't know about those.


-Anxiety

Don't they figure out who each other is when this happens?

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

BTW, we have not confirmed a single Egyptian without a role yet. My theory accounts for that in a way other than saying "We're unlucky"

I'm vanilla

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I miss blade

So do the locusts which devoured his body.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's say a favored is in there Barkeep

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I miss blade

I miss fouts...we used to have the best conversations back in X-com...we could just talk and talk...then something weird happened, HE STABBED US ALL IN THE BACK!! GAH!!!!!!!!

Much love buddy

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Don't they figure out who each other is when this happens?

There's a chance to, I beleive.

But they aren't going to reveal it to us, that's what I was indicating. There might have been more attacks, just they hit people who either don't know or won;t speak up.

Plus, they may have been really cautious. Let's say you've found one Nec on Night 2 after whiffing on N1. Do the two of you combine to do one attack, or do you double your efforts to find more Necs? I think ya got to keep combing.

-Anxiety

[Abe Sargent]

I think Barkeep has a great way of looking at this, I want to look more at the chart and figure this out.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

So do the locusts which devoured his body.

So I'm still not sure if he was diseased or not after reading and re-reading his death post by hoops. If he was, then they only have 1 more opportunity. If he wasn't then they still have 2 kills with this skill left.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I miss fouts...we used to have the best conversations back in X-com...we could just talk and talk...then something weird happened, HE STABBED US ALL IN THE BACK!! GAH!!!!!!!!

Much love buddy

LOL. Luckily, we're on the same side this game.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and presumably we've yet to nail the bad guy who is a ruling class. So that gives us

1. Ruling Class Bad Guy
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Bad guy D
4. Head Necro
5. EG
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb -- soothsayer
8. Good Egyptian
9. Dreamweaver
10. Favored
11. Vanilla Egyptian (Sndvls?)
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14.
15.
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19.
20.
21.
22.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Fouts

LOL. Luckily, we're on the same side this game.

Your dead too?

[dubb93]

Meanwhile tune in to the discovery channel's great debate starring Hoopsguy and Dubb93

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

So I'm still not sure if he was diseased or not after reading and re-reading his death post by hoops. If he was, then they only have 1 more opportunity. If he wasn't then they still have 2 kills with this skill left.

I find that unlikely.. Blade had been playing low keyed up till that day, and it suddenly happened right in the middle of him being in some heated arguements. The disease takes 2 days to go through, and would have to have been planed well in ahead of time knowing he woudl be there then for the chaos that it occured.

I mean, its never good to lose a seer, but it definitly sealed the deal for a bad guy lynch last night. I think there is a different explanation than disease.

[Fouts]

You need to put another mystic in there, plus some more neutral roles.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Your dead too?

Mummys are kinda dead?

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Oh and presumably we've yet to nail the bad guy who is a ruling class. So that gives us

1. Ruling Class Bad Guy
2. Passacaglia - Ruling Class, killed Night 4
3. Bad guy D
4. Head Necro
5. EG
6. Cronin - Explorer, lynched Day 2
7. Dubb -- soothsayer
8. Good Egyptian
9. Dreamweaver
10. Favored
11. Vanilla Egyptian (Sndvls?)
12. Coffee Warlord - Ruling Class Fanatic, killed himself Night 4
13. bulletsponge - Necromancer, lynched Day 4
14.
15.
16. Bek - Necromancer Initiate, lynched Day 3
17. Blade6119 - Mystic, Day kill Day 4
18. Swaggs - Ruling Class, lynched Day 1
19.
20.
21.
22.

Do we know there is a bad guy ruling class, or is it something that we convinced ourselves of along the way somewhere?

[Abe Sargent]

Okay BK, I jut did some math.

Assume 7 Necs:

Of the good guy roles, I suspect that Hoops would keep out at least one just to keep it mysterious. I submit that role is the High Priest, cause I've seen no sign of any consecration of the dead occuring.

Assume that we, as Egyptians, have, maybe 3 of the neutral roles.

We now have 13 Egyptians accounted for with roles. 7 Necs. That's 20 of the 23. That's without any double roles on the E side.

[bulletsponge]

werent you the one yelling at me for making comments like this when i died?

i was jesting :P

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Meanwhile tune in to the discovery channel's great debate starring Hoopsguy and Dubb93

hopefully you are debating my lathum quote I gave you.

[Abe Sargent]

BTW, it doesn't matter what the misisng role is, I bet hoops didn't include at least one good guy role to keep us guessing.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

my quote was used in the same context and you were able to use it so you shouldn't have a problem using the lathum one either.

[dubb93]

Indeed, I'll have something atleast here in a few minutes. The great debate has all but concluded.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

i was jesting :P

Welcome to the wonderfully hard to read sarcasm of blade. No one gets or finds my jokes funny, but i keep plugging away

[Abe Sargent]

So, my quickest guess, with 7 necs, is that we have, at most, just three vanilla Egyptians, and maybe less than that if E's got more neutral roles or there were duplicate roles on our side.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

hopefully you are debating my lathum quote I gave you.

Indeed.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Indeed.

see my follow up #2186

[dubb93]

Well, Lathum is clean, so now I think he owes it to us to tell us how he knows Fouts is the avatar if he is just a "generic villager."

[Fouts]

A promise from the Avatar. If you guys don't lynch me today, nobody will die tonight. AND I'll be around to protect you from the Mummy!

Necromancers do not know each other from the outset
- each one can attack on a given night
- a single Necromancer has a 50% chance of achieving a night kill alone. If there are two involved, that percentage rises to 100%.
- if they attack the Elite Guard, Mummy, or Avatar by themselves, they die. If they attack with two members, they escape the Elite Guard, but one is killed by the Mummy or Avatar.

[dubb93]

Lathum......

[Abe Sargent]

On Items:

We already know that there is one item, the helmet, which was not on hoopsguy's initial rules list. Without knowing what other items are out there, it certainly is conceivable that someone used an item and summoed the Avatar. They might not even know it was them that summoned the Avatar. Maybe a Scarab of Summoning or something.

-Anxiety

[SnDvls]

or a warning from a mummy

- Mummy: the mummy has ability to alternate between protecting a necromancer or completing a night kill (100%) each night, will overpower Elite Guard (kills him, not target) but will be destroyed if he encounters the Avatar. The mummy does not have to activate his power if he deems it more covert to avoid doing so. The mummy will only be animated for a maximum of three nights. Can communicate with Head Necromancer who raised him, as well as any other necromancers in Head Necromancer's discovered group.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Well, Lathum is clean, so now I think he owes it to us to tell us how he knows Fouts is the avatar if he is just a "generic villager."

Nice. A real blunder by the necros leaving you alive to do another scan.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Well, Lathum is clean, so now I think he owes it to us to tell us how he knows Fouts is the avatar if he is just a "generic villager."

what quote did you use and question did you ask?

[dubb93]

I'm waiting....

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Fouts

A promise from the Avatar. If you guys don't lynch me today, nobody will die tonight. AND I'll be around to protect you from the Mummy!

I find this suspicious Fouts. If you were the Avatar, all you have is a guard action. How could you guarantee nobody dies with just one guard action? Unless, of coruse, you are the mummy, and you don;t submit a night action.


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