10-16-2006, 02:10 PM | #2151 |
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Barkeep, so what would you have us do with you if the lynch proceeds as it appears it will with lynching LSG?
- Leave you in jail and bring in two more candidates? Seems like a reasonable option, except we go through the same process again tomorrow with you - Free you without your being on anyone's trutsed list If we double execute, then the bad guys get a kill without being noticed, then we are in the spot you suggest. But that assumes both you and LSG are innocent, and that they are able to complete a kill without notice. Quite a few assumptions for us to find that 8-4 scenario you are painting. If we do find that one of the two of you is a Cowboy, then we will have some very interesting posts to read to see who tried to help the Cowboy avert the noose. I think the value there is sky high. Cronin was a lost cause to them, so they did not act to save him. A person in jail is a different animal entirely. |
10-16-2006, 02:12 PM | #2152 |
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Chubby, because I thought someone would fake it to try and create some clearance. It would seem like a good one to use in a bluff, although in reality it is a tough one to play.
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10-16-2006, 02:16 PM | #2153 | |
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10-16-2006, 02:18 PM | #2154 | |
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Well they would need to have a showdown available to them and at the moment, no villager claims that. |
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10-16-2006, 02:23 PM | #2155 |
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It was my understanding all players had the showdown ability, but some were just better at it than others. Having had only a knife, perhaps I didn't pay as much attention to this as I should have.
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10-16-2006, 02:25 PM | #2156 | |
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Nope. I don't have the ability to cause a showdown so I know for fact that all players do have the ability. |
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10-16-2006, 02:26 PM | #2157 |
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ok, I can't type...
I know for fact that NOT all players have the abiltity to cause showdowns. |
10-16-2006, 02:27 PM | #2158 |
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10-16-2006, 02:28 PM | #2159 |
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Well then strike the last part about gunning me down in the street if I'm a bad guy, but I would argue my information collecting would still be a reason to let me out of jail. Not to mention, I hate taking up space that could go towards housing other candidates. Just trying to be considerate
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10-16-2006, 02:39 PM | #2160 |
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BK, I consider it possible that the Cowboys rotate their firearms (assuming they have more than one) - the guy who is doing the killing has one and the other Cowboys submit that with their night actions, knowing that they could potentially be caught with a piece if they hold one for the evening. That would be similar to some of the other games that had items, including your Treasure Hunter game where the bad guys could move gold around.
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10-16-2006, 02:41 PM | #2161 |
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Dola, I have no idea if that is how it works, but if we think we have a Cowboy we should lynch. If we think we have a good guy, we should free. If we don't know - well, this is where we seem to continue to find ourselves and the majority continues to feel that free is the right move.
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10-16-2006, 02:41 PM | #2162 | |
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He's only trying to help us because he's a bad guy and he doesn't want to hang today. His help is actually a hinderance. Looks like you'll survive this day, Barkeep. |
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10-16-2006, 02:53 PM | #2163 | |
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I thought ntndeacon was the person who had the ability to find the person who was converted to a Cowboy. Are you suggesting that two villagers have that ability? |
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10-16-2006, 03:06 PM | #2164 |
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No, NTN appears to be able to spot vices as the Priest. Earlier in the game I (and, I think others) thought he had the seer role. That role is in just about every WW game and gives the ability to see a persons role/allegiance. NTN, based on info released over the last couple of days has an ability to determine a vice and (potentially?) heal a vice.
NTN, please jump in if I'm not representing your role properly here. |
10-16-2006, 03:08 PM | #2165 | |
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Yes I know he has the ability to spot vices as he has visited me. However, I thought that if he visited a convert, they would succumb to their vice while a normal villager or Cowboy would not. |
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10-16-2006, 03:23 PM | #2166 |
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I sure hope that I'm not still rotting in the street.
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10-16-2006, 04:13 PM | #2167 | |
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No you are representing it correctly, Hoops. It is clear I can see both villagers and Cowboys with this power. The potentially part is a SMALL chance, it hasn't worked yet. And Since Iwill be out til later. Lynch LSG |
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10-16-2006, 04:41 PM | #2168 | |
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NTN scanned Cronin on Night 2 but was not able to identify him as a Cowboy. He also learns vices either way and has a chance to address a vice. I'll know if I select the convert, but not one of the other Cowboys. I'll also know if the convert is killed. Those are a couple of differences I've picked up on between our roles up to this point. |
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10-16-2006, 05:45 PM | #2169 |
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ok, i really thing lynching LSG is the right plan...i have never been a big fan of people coming into the thread while they are on the block and not even saying anything...she was here earlier while i was catching up on the days posts and she left without saying anything at all.
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10-16-2006, 06:16 PM | #2170 |
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I'm pretty confident that LSG is a villager and I think Barkeep is more likely a villager then a Cowboy at this point. Thus,
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10-16-2006, 06:56 PM | #2171 |
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I'm not going to vote Barkeep. I will leave my vote on LSG as is though.
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10-16-2006, 06:57 PM | #2172 |
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Oh, and I'm out until after lynch. Hopefully tomorrow I can be more active, today was a really crazed work day.
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10-16-2006, 07:10 PM | #2173 |
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I dont see anything wrong with being lynched. It is the smart move to make, so no hard feelings. It sucks that i was wrongly placed in jail but i couldn't contribute anything.... So definitly lynch me tonight and put two more people in jail tomorrow. BTW Path, hoops and racer are on my suspicious list of people to jail.
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10-16-2006, 07:23 PM | #2174 | |
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Since a lot of people want me jailed, I feel I need to say this. Chubby, I urge you to hold off on jailing me for tonight. As ntndeacon has already alluded to, there is a very good chance that Chief Rum can clear me if he chooses to visit me tonight. If Chief Rum is still unsure of my allegiance after the visit, by all means arrest me (although you will be arresting a villager if you do). |
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10-16-2006, 07:40 PM | #2175 | |
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Unfortunately, I no more have the ability to determine allegiance than ntn or anyone else has said so far in the game. I can determine your role and vices, and maybe do some other things, but none of them in and of themselves have the ability to clear you. I am still trying to decide who I want to visit tonight, amongst 4-5 candidates. Rather than tip off the cowboys, I think I will keep those names to myself.
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10-16-2006, 07:42 PM | #2176 |
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I get a bad feeling about the LSG lynch move, but at the same time I see the reasoning of those calling for it. We need more information, or at least one less suspect, so removing LSG from the equation might be a necessary loss. Of course, if she turns out to be a cowboy, great. Good move, everyone.
Since LSG seems headed for the noose, though, no matter how I vote, I am going to go with no lynch vote. I can't save her, even if I cared to try, and I see no reason to save her or help her put her head in the noose either. NO LYNCH
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10-16-2006, 08:08 PM | #2177 |
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No Lynch
the cowboys are going to screw up again i hope. and i never got the Cowboy vibe from LSG |
10-16-2006, 08:17 PM | #2178 |
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again, bullet shows up with a vote that doesnt count, and depending on the outcome of the lynch, could make him look like the ultimate villager. i know he shot cronin, but that just smells like cronin's rotting corpse to me.
and as for CR, i am really starting to have a problem with these people voting no lynch all the time...i can deal with it from racer or glengoyne, they are rookies, but someone that has been around a bit should know that votes are as good as cash in WW, and the NO LYNCH votes are not helping establish anything that we can use to develop circles of trust. |
10-16-2006, 08:19 PM | #2179 |
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Didn't miss much. I'm glad. Got harried before I headed to basketball and didn't post that I'd be back after lynch. Hopefully I'll still be awake when the lynch result comes in.
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10-16-2006, 08:23 PM | #2180 | |
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I suscribe to the theory suggested earlier that if we kill off people who don't have a strong slant toward being cowboys, we are likely killing villagers. And we will lose much faster killing villagers for cowboys on top of them doing their own killing. I would prefer to vote to lynch when I am reasonably sure we have one locked up, and otherwise hold off and depend on our night actions to root out the cowboys.
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10-16-2006, 08:24 PM | #2181 | |
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thats mt philosophy too. i havnt been paying attention as much thanks to AlanT only giving me 1 showdown |
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10-16-2006, 08:34 PM | #2182 |
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Isnt' it past time? I wonder where alan is.
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10-16-2006, 08:39 PM | #2183 |
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lol, what's yer hurry?
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10-16-2006, 08:41 PM | #2184 |
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10-16-2006, 08:55 PM | #2185 |
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The day proceeds, many people debating the previous night's death gather in the town square. At times people focus their attention to the two prisoners in the town jail and debate the validity of lynching them. Somewhere mid-day, people get distracted by the foul smell of a rotting corpse until the slacking mortician finally clears up the mess from a few days previous.
Once people get their attention back to business, the townspeople finally decide to hang Lonestargirl, feeling that Barkeep might still serve some future use to the town. As Chubby calls up a few deputys to assist with the lynch, they quickly and efficiently hang Lonestargirl. After waiting some time to make sure she was dead, people check over Lonestargirl to see if she might have been a cowboy. In the end its decided, she might not have been a good singer, but she was no cowboy. Election votes: (8 votes needed for new sheriff) No new sheriff votes. Lynch votes: (8 votes needed for lynch) (10) Lonestargirl - Path (1942), spleen (1974), Lathum (1976), Hoops (1984), Chubby (1991), Saldana (2018), Anxiety (2108), Glengoyne (2110), Barkeep (2134), ntndeacon (2167) (2) Barkeep - Spleen (1937), hoops (1984) We are in night 6 now. Please submit all PMs by the deadline of 9:00am Tuesday morning. |
10-16-2006, 09:01 PM | #2186 |
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I feared as much. We have helped the cowboys again. But as I said before the lynch, I know what those voting for her were getting at. It's tough to balance trying to get information against keeping possible villagers alive.
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10-16-2006, 09:16 PM | #2187 |
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CR - The issue was she wasn't really helping us at all. I didn't feel we had any choice. She wasn't giving off any strong cowboy vibes but she didn't give off any strong villager vibes either.
I think we'll be in a better position tomorrow... |
10-16-2006, 09:28 PM | #2188 |
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Well I'm disappointed, but wouldn't have been surprised either way with LSG. Still, I agree that our first instinct shouldn't be to lynch. Being wrong about everybody having a power is good news for the Cowboys as it makes it easier for them to hide behind a fake role.
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10-16-2006, 09:28 PM | #2189 |
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I would suggest to Barkeep that he choose someone to view for vices tonight in case he is released.
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10-16-2006, 09:28 PM | #2190 | |
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Just caught up. Sorry about that LSG. I too am sorry you were in jail, at a time when we needed to lynch. There were others I'd have been more willing to sacrifice. I also agree with the sentiment CR expresses above. I'm one of the original proponents of the No Lynch strategy. I just think the "only lynch those in jail" piece of this game, is a big change, that changes the normal paradigm. It also, in tonight's case leaves us with a voting record that is next to meaningless. We needed to lynch someone, and arrest two new villagers tonight. |
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10-16-2006, 09:30 PM | #2191 |
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I appreciate the consideration you're giving me, even if you decide to go in a different direction. I should warn, however, that based on the way my descriptions have been written, I might not be able to view tonight even if released, based on when, in the cycle, I am released. However, I am hopeful that if released Alan will let me have my view.
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10-16-2006, 09:30 PM | #2192 |
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I hope you are correct. I really think poor jailing choices have gotten into the fix we're in. I think NtN and Saldana are more culpable in that regard than you are Chubby. You also asked about my gun situation. I have answered that question. |
10-16-2006, 09:33 PM | #2193 |
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Oh and don't PLEASE don't release Barkeep tonight.
We NEED TWO LIKELY SUSPECTS IN JAIL!!!!! Sorry to yell. Come on You have to know that there are Cowboys out there that we should be on to. |
10-16-2006, 09:36 PM | #2194 | |
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Actually, I must have missed that. What is your gun situation? Also, have you revealed your role yet? Not saying I suspect you--I am trying to put together a chart of info of the remaining players in the game, and included in that is role and whether you have a gun or not.
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10-16-2006, 09:40 PM | #2195 |
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Oh and thanks for the thoughts and prayers everyone. My father's situation seems to have improved dramatically. He has been released from the hospital, and looks to be in pretty reasonable health. They believe the polyp they removed from his small intestine was causing his bleeding. No Cancer to be found!
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10-16-2006, 09:43 PM | #2196 |
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I agree with Glen that we might be better off putting two more in jail tonight.
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Great news!
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10-16-2006, 09:45 PM | #2198 | |
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Agreed, that is terrific. Good to hear, Glen.
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she wasnt helping? she was a villager and would count for the villagers. you could also count on her not killing any of us intentinally. plus at the very worst the cowboys would have needed 1 more day to get a victory if she was alive sorry LSG. |
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