WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over!

[DaddyTorgo]

easy enuf to look for early voters who didn't change and then look back to see if they were around or challenge them...

[DaddyTorgo]

or wait - i guess we'd look for ones that did change, or early voters that weren't active that day.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I think we should only look at early EF voters if they weren't around later. Not that I'm sure if we can figure that out, but I can't see a wolf leaving their vote there the way the voting turned out.

Well, you were an early EF vote. Were you around later?

And how about you, DT, since you're in the thread atm.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so we should look for people who voted early on EF and didn't provide a reason OR people who voted late on PB

and we should cross-reference that with the other day's results...

Are you talking about Day 2? The early voters on EF were saldana, MartinD, and PackerFanatic -- maybe me and PB? And I don't think there really are late votes on PB.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Telle

Well, you were an early EF vote. Were you around later?

And how about you, DT, since you're in the thread atm.

Thanks, I missed Alan and Autumn. hoops's vote guide just calls him a '2nd candidate'

[Passacaglia]

And if we're looking at the people who voted on EF early and moved it later, you're probably looking at saldana and me.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks, I missed Alan and Autumn. hoops's vote guide just calls him a '2nd candidate'

Grr, I missed DT, too. Stupid hoops and his use of flavor instead of just the facts.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

no, but that has zero to do with my play and everything to do with the fact there are people with far worse voting records, people like you I might add, whose voting record is piss poor.

You are forcing this way to much.

i hardly think i am forcing anything...go back and look at my first post on this topic...i said i am not even sure i buy my own theory...the fact that you are getting so bent about it when i havent even voted for you (in fact i have said i will probably not be voting for you) is doing nothing but drawing attention to yourself, and making me wonder if i might have stumbled onto something.

[dubb93]

Catching up, looks like I got 4 pages to get through.

[saldana]

vote lerriuqs or whatever the heck his name is.

[DaddyTorgo]

how about me?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by saldana

i hardly think i am forcing anything...go back and look at my first post on this topic...i said i am not even sure i buy my own theory...the fact that you are getting so bent about it when i havent even voted for you (in fact i have said i will probably not be voting for you) is doing nothing but drawing attention to yourself, and making me wonder if i might have stumbled onto something.

That sounds familiar.

[Danny]

Votes as of post #2162:

1 - Telle - Poli (1981)
3 - Lerriuqs - Autumn (2021), hoopsguy (2057), Saldana (2160)
1 - Passacaglia - claphamsa (2087)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Telle

Well, you were an early EF vote. Were you around later?

And how about you, DT, since you're in the thread atm.

I certainly was on off and on all day, and it only confirmed my early suspicions and votes.

I really think we've got better hunting looking at the PurdueBrad voters. With EagleFan on the chopping block all day, but having a viable alternate candidate, how would the wolves not have flooded that vote?

[hoopsguy]

Autumn, I think you are right that there are likely to be more wolves on EF than on PB. I'll be pretty surprised if it is all/none, but percentages would suggest that they would want to save their own.

Do you feel that someone has hijacked the conversation away from this? I haven't been in the thread as much over the past hour, but from what I can tell on the votes it seems like people are still looking at PB voters from Day 2 overall.

[Passacaglia]

What do you guys think of Poli?

1199 - Poli votes PB (misses chance to vote for known wolf, puts PB in lead, but will move again at deadline)
1261 - Poli unvotes PB, follows on Telle (2nd vote change, neither on EF, but unvote on PB puts EF at more risk)
1318 - Poli unvotes Telle, votes EF (deadline snipe, probably open for interpreation)

If I recall, that 1318 vote was right at deadline, to 'make sure' that EF was lynched, but the wolves probably knew he was out anyway. Could it be that the run on Telle gave him some cover to switch votes, when a switch from PB to EF would have been looked at as strange otherwise? Also of interest is that Poli's was the only vote actually removed from PB as a result of the Telle run. Participating was:

Pass -- forgets to unvote EF, keeping his vote there
PB -- unvotes EF
Poli -- unvotes PB, but then votes EF at the very end
BK -- unvotes hoops (he voted for hoops after the Telle run started, if that means anything)
clap -- had not placed vote yet (of course, discussing clap's voting pattern is meaningless)

[DaddyTorgo]

so i guess we look at voters for PB once PB had passed EF in the voting by 2 votes? because i don't think a wolf would have been the one to put PB up over EF, but after that happened they could have hopped onto PB

[DaddyTorgo]

so leaving out the last say...5-10 minutes (depending on how many votes were laid down for the first time there and how much of that was switching -- we can examine that 5-10 mins later though), who were the people who put votes on PB once PB had at least a one-vote lead on EF?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so i guess we look at voters for PB once PB had passed EF in the voting by 2 votes? because i don't think a wolf would have been the one to put PB up over EF, but after that happened they could have hopped onto PB

Didn't PB pass EF in the voting right away?

[Autumn]

I definitely am not sure about the Poli vote. It was icing on the cake, so could be a wolf ploy. But they couldn't really know if there would be any more movement, so seems rather risky.

[DaddyTorgo]

idk - i don't have a vote history up and handy

i prefer to think on the more theoretical level and let someone else do the dirty work. i'm a thinker, not a doer.

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, I thought you were saying it like you remembered what happened.

810 - DT follows Lathum on PB (2nd vote, important because DT is suggesting that he deserves significant credit for his early vote on EF)
846/875 - both Clap and Dubb unvote PB, bringing the margin back down from 5-0 to 3-0
951 - Alan throws out 2nd candidate, who turns out to be a wolf
969 - Autumn backs Alan on 2nd candidate
971 - DT changes horses, tying it back up 3-3
985 - BK votes me, introducing 3rd candidate (more noteworthy because he had a bad vote the previous day, not his last vote on this day)
1016 - Pass follows BK on me (same logic as BK, 2nd bad vote for him, not his last vote)
1017 - PB follows on me (once again foregoing an opportunity to vote for EF, tally is now 4-3-2 EF/Me/PB)
1020 - Telle votes PB (locked in)
1045 - Abe votes PB (locked in, 2nd day in a row he not voted for wolf when wolf was in lead)
1047/1050 - Jackal votes for wolf EF, then switches to PB (locked in)
1080 - Saldana votes EF (ties it, but will move his vote later)
1112 - MartinD votes EF (breaks tie, vote doesn't move. big vote, in my mind)
1120 - BK unvotes Hoops, votes PB (again missing a chance to vote for a known wolf, not done moving yet)
1123 - PF votes EF (see MartinD above)
1137 - Lerriuqs votes PB (ties it again)
1157 - Pass unvotes Hoops, votes EF (puts wolf in lead, would be huge vote except for #1256)
1166 - Chief votes PB, ties it (changing gears from yesterday, hard for me to condemn it too much when his voting pattern matches my own)
1169 - PB unvotes me, votes EF (self-defense, good vote)
1194 - Saldana unvotes EF, votes me (tying it up, not a good vote at all, he stays here for duration)
1199 - Poli votes PB (misses chance to vote for known wolf, puts PB in lead, but will move again at deadline)
1256 - Pass forgets to unvotes, casts vote for Telle (important because his vote was on EF, which was critical down the stretch but it does not seem he wanted his vote there)
1258 - PB unvotes EF, votes Telle (puts himself up 2, Telle is way back)
1261 - Poli unvotes PB, follows on Telle (2nd vote change, neither on EF, but unvote on PB puts EF at more risk)
1265 - BK is back to voting for me, unvoting EF (still has not voted for EF in the game, although this unvote ties it)
1285 - Clap votes Telle (Telle is now 3 back of co-leaders)
1291 - BK unvotes me, votes Telle (fast rising candidate, again missing a chance to put in a really good vote on EF)
1315 - PB unvotes Telle, votes EF (complete self-preservation)
1318 - Poli unvotes Telle, votes EF (deadline snipe, probably open for interpreation)

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Autumn, I think you are right that there are likely to be more wolves on EF than on PB. I'll be pretty surprised if it is all/none, but percentages would suggest that they would want to save their own.

Do you feel that someone has hijacked the conversation away from this? I haven't been in the thread as much over the past hour, but from what I can tell on the votes it seems like people are still looking at PB voters from Day 2 overall.

I'd have to look back to see how the conversation is getting steered. I was responding to Telle who seemed to be suggesting that. Lathum mentioned a wolf possibly being among EF voters. And the rest of the day there has been some discussion of new targets. I definitely expect the wolves to encourage that but it seems clear the villagers should stick on EF voters for now. We must have at least three wolves among that crowd and looking else where would be a needless distraction.

[Passacaglia]

It sounds like the people that fit your criteria are DT, hoops, clap, and dubb.

[dubb93]

Lerriuqs lack of action is troublesome. Just did a search for his posts in this thread to see what the action on him was all about. He only has a total of 6 posts that met my search results since the game has actually started. That is crazy.

[DaddyTorgo]

846/875 - both Clap and Dubb unvote PB, bringing the margin back down from 5-0 to 3-0

--looks good for these 2

951 - Alan throws out 2nd candidate, who turns out to be a wolf
969 - Autumn backs Alan on 2nd candidate
971 - DT changes horses, tying it back up 3-3

--looks good for these 3 as well. No way I tie it up 3-3 so early in the day there if I'm a wolf. If I was a wolf I'd have to go PB and make it 4-2 and try to swing the momentum, otherwise I risk being trapped on that vote all day because it was so early and so visible.

985 - BK votes me, introducing 3rd candidate (more noteworthy because he had a bad vote the previous day, not his last vote on this day)
1016 - Pass follows BK on me (same logic as BK, 2nd bad vote for him, not his last vote)
1017 - PB follows on me (once again foregoing an opportunity to vote for EF, tally is now 4-3-2 EF/Me/PB)

--These were just all weird votes.

1120 - BK unvotes Hoops, votes PB (again missing a chance to vote for a known wolf, not done moving yet)

--This was like the height of weird if you ask me. BK looks very bad.


The stuff closer to deadline than that is making my head spin.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sorry, I thought you were saying it like you remembered what happened.

Pass, that list is a fail. I unvoted PB in post 1002 (making it EF 3 - PB2), not 874/875 with Clap. It also leaves out my vote in post 1014 which made it EF 4 - PB 2.

[DaddyTorgo]

backwards squirrel rocketing up the charts - only 6 posts?

[DaddyTorgo]

it's cool dubb - don't think you're high on my list of potential baddies anyways

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

so i guess we look at voters for PB once PB had passed EF in the voting by 2 votes? because i don't think a wolf would have been the one to put PB up over EF, but after that happened they could have hopped onto PB

Here's what DT asked for. Did I give him something different than that?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Pass, that list is a fail. I unvoted PB in post 1002 (making it EF 3 - PB2), not 874/875 with Clap. It also leaves out my vote in post 1014 which made it EF 4 - PB 2.

I guess you'll have to take it up with hoops, since he made the list.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

backwards squirrel rocketing up the charts - only 6 posts?

Since the game started yes. He had one more actually signing up for the game but it didn't meet my search.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess you'll have to take it up with hoops, since he made the list.

That makes me wonder what exactly hoops is doing with all of these lists.

[dubb93]

This is the second time this game that hoops has done this shit to me. The first time was on day two when he misquoted me, now he messes up my post numbers, tries to lump me in with Clap and leaves out my vote for EF in a list.

Vote Hoops

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

i hardly think i am forcing anything...go back and look at my first post on this topic...i said i am not even sure i buy my own theory...the fact that you are getting so bent about it when i havent even voted for you (in fact i have said i will probably not be voting for you) is doing nothing but drawing attention to yourself, and making me wonder if i might have stumbled onto something.

you have harped all day on it. You mentioned you think a smart wolf is pulling some strings, you certainly fall under that catergory as well.

Not really sure how I am getting bent, I am merely responding to your claims, but if you feel the need to vote me please by all means do, your voting record stinks already, why stop now?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Lerriuqs lack of action is troublesome. Just did a search for his posts in this thread to see what the action on him was all about. He only has a total of 6 posts that met my search results since the game has actually started. That is crazy.

wow.

I can get behind a vote for him considering a quite villager doesn't really help us much.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Autumn, I think you are right that there are likely to be more wolves on EF than on PB. I'll be pretty surprised if it is all/none, but percentages would suggest that they would want to save their own.

Do you feel that someone has hijacked the conversation away from this? I haven't been in the thread as much over the past hour, but from what I can tell on the votes it seems like people are still looking at PB voters from Day 2 overall.

Saldana is trying to.

[Abe Sargent]

Getting cauight up

[Abe Sargent]

I agree that on day 4, to not even have your post number in the double digits is troubling.

Vote lerriuqs

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Autumn, I think you are right that there are likely to be more wolves on EF than on PB. I'll be pretty surprised if it is all/none, but percentages would suggest that they would want to save their own.

Do you feel that someone has hijacked the conversation away from this? I haven't been in the thread as much over the past hour, but from what I can tell on the votes it seems like people are still looking at PB voters from Day 2 overall.

What's the problem with "hijacking" the conversation away from the fact that there neither all nor none of the wolves are on EF? Since some are there, and some are not, I don't think this line of thinking helps us -- and asking who is hijacking us away from it makes me think you're trying to get us to focus on it in an attempt to keep us confused.


VOTE HOOPSGUY

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Lerriuqs lack of action is troublesome. Just did a search for his posts in this thread to see what the action on him was all about. He only has a total of 6 posts that met my search results since the game has actually started. That is crazy.

I'm not exactly one to talk, as my post count isn't all that much higher, but lerriuqs does seem to have been abnormally quiet during this game.

I'm not going to put my vote his way now, but I'm definitely leaning that way unless either he comes on with a good reason/explanation, or there's a very good reason for me to vote for someone else.

[DaddyTorgo]

but you're also in Scotland Martin - so you get a pass because we assume you're out drinking and eating haggis 24/7 and just can't be bothered to post. which is cool.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but you're also in Scotland Martin - so you get a pass because we assume you're out drinking and eating haggis 24/7 and just can't be bothered to post. which is cool.

+1

[Lathum]

Part of me is wondering if Hoops and Saldana introduced the line of questioning about me to distract us from other candidates.

They both know I would respond to them, maybe in a, passionate, way.

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but you're also in Scotland Martin - so you get a pass because we assume you're out drinking and eating haggis 24/7 and just can't be bothered to post. which is cool.

I don't drink and don't like haggis - would I be right in thinking that this means I'm going to get lynched?

[claphamsa]

u dont drink?

[Lathum]

hmmm

I thought MartinD was this guy













but he is really this guy

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

u dont drink?

No - saw too many people make a complete fool of themselves one night then be too hung over to do anything the next day when I was in my late teens/early twenties to think that it was something I wanted to do.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

hmmm

I thought MartinD was this guy













but he is really this guy

HAHAHAHA

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by MartinD

I don't drink and don't like haggis - would I be right in thinking that this means I'm going to get lynched?

Never had haggis and probably never would be able to stomach it so i can't say i blame you there, but on behalf of my scottish side (grandma was 100% graham), I am saddened by this.