Official 2022 College Football Thread

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

But that's kind of close to the definition of "lack of institutional control"

Btw, it is not a NCAA violation for staff to provide local transportation to players. It is only impermissible if they allowed the player to use the car.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Maybe? But then you have to prove someone knew this was happening.

I'm going to take this back. It wouldn't be "lack of institutional control" because the NCAA doesn't regulate the use of vehicles for staff. Her using the car in and of itself is not regulated by the NCAA. It would only become a question when a player or recruit was in the car, and again reading the permissible/non-permissible actions for staff, giving a ride locally is permissible.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Maybe? But then you have to prove someone knew this was happening.

Which is very much the question that I said needs to be answered.

The question then becomes what other services were being provided and where do those fit under the few remaining NCAA rules.

[Edward64]

I’ve not kept up with all the details but having a chauffeur business to pick up drunk players seems like a good idea. Did they ever say if driver LeCroy was drunk or impaired?

[GrantDawg]

Aa far as I have seen, she wasn't. It does take some time to get official toxicology reports, though.

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[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I’ve not kept up with all the details but having a chauffeur business to pick up drunk players seems like a good idea. Did they ever say if driver LeCroy was drunk or impaired?

Waiting on toxicology. State crime lab is perpetually backed up so it takes weeks. Police have indicated there were no obvious signs of alcohol use at the scene.

[Lathum]

Georgia QB Stetson Bennett arrested on public intoxication charge

Not a great look for a guy hoping to get drafted, but hey, who hasn't been wasted banging on random doors at 7:10 AM on a Sunday morning. Must have been one hell of a mimosa bar.

[Ksyrup]

I hope he has a big cigar hanging out of his mouth in his mug shot.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not a great look for a guy hoping to get drafted, but hey, who hasn't been wasted banging on random doors at 7:10 AM on a Sunday morning. Must have been one hell of a mimosa bar.

More and more, I hear the word "insufferable" used to describe him by folks here who've encountered him in Athens over the past year.

Seems like one of those guys who is more likable the less you actually know him.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

More and more, I hear the word "insufferable" used to describe him by folks here who've encountered him in Athens over the past year.

Seems like one of those guys who is more likable the less you actually know him.

The story is good. In reality, most guys that have that kind of drive are usually dicks.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sure got their "fixer" on scene in a hurry. But no point paying him $200k a year if you don't get him in place in a hurry I guess.

UGA football official Bryant Gantt's presence at a fatal crash scene involving players raises questions about the incident and the investigation

[Ksyrup]

Harvey Keitel is getting a little slow in his old age.

[bob]

"...one of the greatest offensive minds in college football."

If anyone believes this, please put on tape of the OSU, Marshall, Cal, Stanford, and Navy (H2) games.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by bob

"...one of the greatest offensive minds in college football."

If anyone believes this, please put on tape of the OSU, Marshall, Cal, Stanford, and Navy (H2) games.

Heh that was kinda my reaction. He's very young, probably getting better, but that offense hasn't been "great" and there were some odd PT decisions early. His ND ties/love also helped in recruiting but it's such a short term position these days I even reversed myself on the timing being bad - limits the pool of choices a bit, but probably better now than when the portal is open and in mid swing. We'll see who they get - heck I even wonder if they'd try to get someone with ties to Hartman or the offense he ran at Wake.

[BishopMVP]

Turning down Kelly and LSU only to leave for Saban and Bama a year later is a great storyline.

[Ksyrup]

When I think of Tommy Rees I think of Major Applewhite for some reason.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Looks like OU and Texas will be early exiting the B12 after all. $100 million and they can leave after this season.

[Edward64]

Alright!

Looking for more high-level competition (theoretically) in the next several years.

[Edward64]

I don’t know if I’d be for the SEC change to division-less, hard to picture with so many teams. Texas doesn’t care much about the Hogs but would like to see them as 1 of the permanent matchups to relive the SWC days.

While many administrators are now leaning to move to a division-less, nine-game conference schedule, additional revenue from ESPN is a missing piece in that decision. With more inventory—an extra league game—the conference wants more cash. In the nine-game format, each team would play three permanent opponents and a rotation of six others, assuring that each member would meet every team in the league twice in a four-year cycle—once at home and once away.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Looks like OU and Texas will be early exiting the B12 after all. $100 million and they can leave after this season.

This seems like bad news for the ACC, unless ESPN really wants to keep them together. The Big 12 supposedly had a grant of rights until 2099 and it seems like that is worth up to $50M per school based on this. ACC is a little different because their TV deal is was/ longer than B12’s, but the unofficial word is that ESPN is favoring the Big 12 over the P12 as part of this deal.

[sterlingice]

2099? That's a typo, right?

Big 12 nears six-year, $2.28B TV extension deal with ESPN, Fox
New contract seems to be 6 year starting in 2025

Also, all of this is clearly TV driven. ESPN promised things to conferences if they would go grab others. Pay more for the SEC and Big10, which weakens and cheapens the Big XII and PAC.

It seems like next step is for the Big XII to go raid the four corners and maybe Oregon/Washington, if they're not holding out for Big10 or SEC only. Then the PAC is dissolved and that means paying real money for one fewer conference. Then, when the ACC contract runs out in the 2030s, the Big10 and SEC pick up its best members, the others maybe find a landing spot in the Big XII and whatever else is left. And then the two big football powers pull away from the NCAA and who knows what else comes of that. What happens to the NCAA tournament? What happens to the remaining conferences? Do the Big10 and SEC start kicking out long standing members for the remaining outstanding properties (for instance, does the SEC kick out Ole Miss and South Carolina in exchange for Washington and Oregon, etc)?

SI

[Swaggs]

I have seen 2099 and also seen stuff like this, saying that they agreed to stay together for 99 years: Is Oklahoma going to the SEC? What we know about possible Big 12 exit

None of it matters in the end, I guess. It’s up to ESPN.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I have seen 2099 and also seen stuff like this, saying that they agreed to stay together for 99 years: Is Oklahoma going to the SEC? What we know about possible Big 12 exit

None of it matters in the end, I guess. It’s up to ESPN.

Yup. Contracts can always be breached. Then you pay damages. And if it makes more sense to breach and pay damages, then that's what you do.

[Swaggs]

My take, based on different sources is that the SEC and ESPN are full, in bed together, partners above all else. The ESPN and B10 play nice with one another and need one another, but are not fully dependent on each other because of B10’s relationship with Fox and the Big Ten Network. The ACC (primarily basketball) has long been favored by ESPN, but they had poor leadership during the last two rounds of negotiations and have ended up locked into an under market, long-term deal with ESPN that lasts well past every one else’s deals, so their schools know they are going to fall dramatically behind in the next ten years and the football-centric schools are not cool with that.

And the Big 12 and Pac 12 (prior to OU/UT and USC/UCLA being snagged up) were about on par with the ACC, but were both fortunate to have shorter TV deals. ESPN and the SEC want OU/UT now and the B12 schools (even Texas and Oklahoma) were willing to work things out together without as much hostility as there has been in these last few rounds of expansion and the Big 12 did reasonably well backfilling, so ESPN prioritized them over the PAC 12 (or possibly the B12 was willing to play ball with ESPN and the PAC wanted to shop around), but now the market for the PAC 12 has not materialized as expected. It also sounds like the PAC commish over promised the remaining schools and they are frustrated with the size of the offers they are getting now (they thought there would be more money from streaming services that they could couple with ESPN and/or Fox, but the Amazon-NFL games did so poorly this year and streaming services aren’t interested in getting the leftover games after ESPN and Fox gets the good games). Have seen some talk that the PAC could expand (San Diego St and SMU, possibly FresnoSt) and give largely reduced rates to new teams and disproportionately large payments to schools like Oregon and Washington, but that has historically not gone well and won’t make schools like Utah/Colorado/ASU/Arizona happy. The Big 12 would like to add those four, it appears, but would prefer UW and Oregon if they are at all available.

Meanwhile, WVU still finds itself wishing it could be in the ACC with our rivals, but it won’t make financial sense for a number of years, if ever. Or if the ACC would even be interested. And, by the time it does, it is possible the ACC grant of rights will have few enough years that the SEC and B12 will have poached the most valuable schools and left the Wale Forests and Boston Colleges behind.

And Notre Dame remains, infuriatingly to the rest of us, somehow above the fray

[JonInMiddleGA]

If I read between the lines correctly, much of the $100 million is actually going to Fox to pay them back for the loss of 7 OU/UT games ... and seems to have come down to (essentially) ESPN being willing to write checks that will eventually end up in Fox coffers.

[Ksyrup]

Has to be partly in preparation for the expanded playoff and the SEC wanting its full membership intact when that starts.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

If I read between the lines correctly, much of the $100 million is actually going to Fox to pay them back for the loss of 7 OU/UT games ... and seems to have come down to (essentially) ESPN being willing to write checks that will eventually end up in Fox coffers.

Everything that I have seen has said that the money will be distributed evenly between the 8 remaining schools.

[Swaggs]

Look like Fox may be getting $20M and the other 8 schools $10M each. Plus, ESPN seems like they are taking care of Texas and OU here by taking care of the B12 on their new deal. No pay cut and, it sounds like a slight increase, which seemed improbable when it was first announced.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Look like Fox may be getting $20M and the other 8 schools $10M each. Plus, ESPN seems like they are taking care of Texas and OU here by taking care of the B12 on their new deal. No pay cut and, it sounds like a slight increase, which seemed improbable when it was first announced.

per CBS article

The 8 schools gave up $16 million each ($8m/year) in future money to enable the 4 new schools to be added. They will use some of the exit fees money to make those eight (closer to) whole from that loss.

per ESPN article "a portion" of the $100 million will go to Fox ... though they say the key to the deal wasn't the money but rather allowing the Michigan/Texas non-conference games to flip home dates, giving Fox Texas at Michigan in 2024 (was originally in Austin, which would have given it to ESPN)

[GrantDawg]

Todd Monken has taken a job with the Ravens, so it is Bobo time part deux. Considering the number fans that hated him so much the first time, this should be entertaining.

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[miami_fan]

Have the Stetson Bennett to Ravens rumors begun?

[Edward64]

Dunno, but I’d love to see him get a shot to start on Sun.

[Atocep]

Shannon Dawson and Mario Christobal has to be one of the weirder OC/HC pairings and one set up to fail.

[HomerSimpson98]

Mike Bobo - LOL. The phone call is coming from inside the house. . .

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Dunno, but I’d love to see him get a shot to start on Sun.

Oh I would too.

That would quickly put to rest the comical notion that he's anything other than the least talented QB to win a national title in years.

It needs to happen, otherwise we're gonna get stuck with him as a U.S. Senator in a few years.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Oh I would too.

That would quickly put to rest the comical notion that he's anything other than the least talented QB to win a national title in years.

It needs to happen, otherwise we're gonna get stuck with him as a U.S. Senator in a few years.

I saw him discussed somewhere else yesterday and it had me wondering how many d1 quarterbacks win a national title with this Georgia team. I'd say the over/under probably starts at 30 and that's probably low.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I saw him discussed somewhere else yesterday and it had me wondering how many d1 quarterbacks win a national title with this Georgia team. I'd say the over/under probably starts at 30 and that's probably low.

It wasn't a great year for QBs, but two dozen or more certainly seems reasonable.

[Edward64]

There were 2 more supposedly highly qualified QBs that started and he beat out in 2 different years. Shoot, put me under center at AL and I could probably get 5 wins.

Give the man his due. He has an X factor for the college game. Whether it translates to pros is definitely no sure thing (just like all the failed to mediocre great college QBs before him.

[Lathum]

What a bunch of pussies. They know we are headed in the right direction and are afraid to play us.

https://gohuskies.com/news/2023/2/15...ashington.aspx

[GrantDawg]

Stetson will fail for the same reason Bryce Young will fail. 5'9 and 190 pounds, neither will stand up to the beating. At least Young has a better arm.

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[Edward64]

Doug Flutie is giving you the finger

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

I don’t know if I’d be for the SEC change to division-less, hard to picture with so many teams. Texas doesn’t care much about the Hogs but would like to see them as 1 of the permanent matchups to relive the SWC days.

CBS Sports is projecting Hogs 3 permanent rivals as Texas, LSU and Missouri (but they also seemingly change their draft picks every week).

I’ll take it. I prefer Ole Miss to Missouri but love Texas and LSU.

SEC football schedule: Creating the perfect matchups for each team when Texas, Oklahoma join in 2024 season - CBSSports.com

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

CBS Sports is projecting Hogs 3 permanent rivals as Texas, LSU and Missouri (but they also seemingly change their draft picks every week).

I’ll take it. I prefer Ole Miss to Missouri but love Texas and LSU.

SEC football schedule: Creating the perfect matchups for each team when Texas, Oklahoma join in 2024 season - CBSSports.com

This scheduling means Georgia loses Tennessee as a yearly rival game. That sort of stinks, but we keep Auburn and Florida which were musts. South Carolina I guess makes more sense than Tennessee, but the Tennessee game generally means more to fans.

[Edward64]

Auburn looks to have the worst of it with AL and GA in their 3.

Don’t envy them.

[GrantDawg]

Florida getting Kentucky is weird. Really several of these are weird. and makes me think this isn't the final. Why Wouldn't Kentucky and Missouri be on each others list? Why Would Missou have South Carolina on theirs? It would make more sense to keep it as regional rivals.

[RainMaker]

The issue with Bennett isn't necessarily height, it's that he doesn't have NFL arm strength. You can't be short and have no arm.

Not to take away what he did in college, but he was also 25 playing against guys 3-4 years younger. He won't have that maturity or experience advantage in the NFL.

There might be a team willing to toss a day 3 pick on him and hope he can be a decent backup. But I feel like you'd be better suited to take a flyer on someone like Clayton Tune or Aidan O'Connell who at least have NFL arm strength.

[Brian Swartz]

I don't think there's any way for the superconferences to make sense from a scheduling standpoint anyway. There's just too many teams to both have the conferences matter and have traditional rivalries matter. Whether they want to or not, they're going to have to pick one or the other.

[Edward64]

From the article’s 3 permanent SEC rivalry games, I think at least 2 of 3 are reasonable to me. IMO the 3rd one is questionable for many.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

I don't think there's any way for the superconferences to make sense from a scheduling standpoint anyway. There's just too many teams to both have the conferences matter and have traditional rivalries matter. Whether they want to or not, they're going to have to pick one or the other.

Not the worst point I've ever seen made tbh.

[cuervo72]

I'd say go 4x4 and either play 7 league games (at this point 16 is a league, not really a conference) or 11 league games. Probably the former because they gotta keep scheduling those cupcakes. Then a 4-team playoff.

(You know...if the leagues are going to be this large, I'd almost say screw any other bowl/championship setup anyway. I'd almost rather have the superconferences be insular. That or do two or four of these and have the winners sort things out and to hell with polls altogether.)