Werewolf XCVIII - 24 Day Game Over - Post 2899

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

Wouldn't you assume that since Pass claimed that EagleFan was bad that EagleFan is in fact good instead?

I know it's not 100%, but it's way above 75% in my book.

You could, but like I've said - Pass is a crafty player and I'm paranoid. Then again Pass was pushing a vote on EF and had no idea that NFG had found him out when he blocked the kill, so barring that Pass would have had to stay on EF.

We would have lynched EF, he'd come up good.

Yeah...I guess you could say EF is "Mid-Trust" at this point if you wanted to. I'm just very exclusive with my CoT's - I like to be sure that barring a cunning-wolf (or a traitor i suppose) it's fully-cleared. And even after this I don't think i can say in good conscience that EF is fully-cleared.

That being said - I think he's much less likely than we all thought before...throw him in the "medium trust" list and i'm okay with that.

but i mean everyone has to make their own personal judgments.

[DaddyTorgo]

*waves to henry*

hey!

[Thomkal]

well I'm glad I picked the right side this time. Good luck Jack if the wolves go after you again!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

well I'm glad I picked the right side this time. Good luck Jack if the wolves go after you again!

I'll be fine. They can bring it on!

FYI everyone - before we lost our PM rights I sent to the seer everything I know about the game, generalities about your roles (i didn't necessarily give every specific but generalities), and my trust list at that point, as well as my thoughts on who we ought to look towards (which was the same as the list i have posted above, obviously with the addition of people who are now dead).

So that combined with recent developments, and the trust lists I have continued to post and the way we have refined down the list of potential suspects means that things are looking good in that regard.

You all have the same info as the seer as far as trust lists and all now, the seer has the generalities of your roles, so in a sense i've "cloned" myself that way.

as i mentioned earlier too, i'd suggest that until the seer either hits on another wolf from among the suspect list, or can clear 2-3 more players who are on the "medium trust" or "no trust" list that they remain hidden.

we can only hope that CR was unable to find the seer in his limited searches.

[henry296]

Crazy day. I think nfg22 seeing Pass makes sense given that DT was wounded last night when Danny was killed so I don't think there were three attacks.

We should think about a possible cunning in my safe list. Did Pass "clear" saldana in the thread or in a PM. Also, path12 and PB could be cunning, but DT seems to trust PB.

Thoughts on a couple of others.

EagleFan - good for early read on CR and pass' actions today. Plus, his "paranoia" is relatively typical and given DT personality, I'm not drawing much from yesterday

Kingfc22 - Good. I believe plus vote for CR.

BrianD, nfg,ntn - Extremely High Trust

Jackal - again the vote for CR is a strong plus in his favor.


I still think Isidiqui and Thomkal are good bets for wolves. Autumn and Schmidty are other potential, but I think DT seems convinced about Schmidty innocence.

I think 2 of the 3 are wolves: Issidiqui, thomkal and Autumn and the final wolf is a cunning in my list.

[DaddyTorgo]

schmidty is cleared. purduebrad is...interesting. if there was one person to lynch first on my "high trust" list it would be him. FWIW.

[DaddyTorgo]

of the 3 just based on my gut i'd say...issidiqui for sure and then i'm not sure yet what my gut says about those other 2

[DaddyTorgo]

but there may be a way to "test" isiddiqui's power before we move towards lynching him.



and i'm still not sure about saldana+eaglefan because of pass - i know henry's list clears saldana, but i wonder why pass would essentially fake his power to name 1 villager as a villager and then 1 villager as a wolf? that just doesn't seem to make a ton of sense

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

but there may be a way to "test" isiddiqui's power before we move towards lynching him.

As I've said, I'm willing to use it. Just waiting on the list you were to provide me .

Then I can hopefully put to rest the suspicions against me.

[DaddyTorgo]

yeah. i need to look through my PM's to see who's a candidate (it's a non-lethal role people, don't get all freaky)

[DaddyTorgo]

nice to get that circus-sideshow dealt with before the weekend. i wonder when on monday nfg will be released?

[Barkeep49]

nfg has been released from jail.

And with that I see no reason to continue on tonight. You are free to continue discussion but the timer is paused. No votes or actions will be accepted until Monday morning.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by path12

Nope, Pass was on Jackal.

Catching up but wanted to respond - he was on me pretty much the whole day. Even when I questioned him about moving when there had been subtle movement away from me, he stuck on me. I think that's another point I can add to the "jackal is telling the truth about being good" list.

[The Jackal]

I really hope the seer has scanned me by now (or an evil person that's being pitted against me), but I think I've done at least a little to show I'm not the best candidate out of the remaining "uncleareds". If I need to be lynched for the village to win, I'll deal with it, but I'd like to live to the end. It's a matter of pride now. We'll see what happens for Monday.

[The Jackal]

I won't be checking in much this weekend but I'll keep tabs on the situation so if anyone has questions for me, feel free.

I don't know that pass being bad tells us anything about henry. Unless we have a verified target from DT tomorrow (more than just we have a good percentage of getting a wolf) we should definitely take a look at every angle.

[nfg22]

Thank you all...I was at work wondering whether you would believe me or lynch me...Im glad that you followed me...no matter how crazy my role is.

[nfg22]

Pass, I still like you. Just not when your a wolf.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

yeah. i need to look through my PM's to see who's a candidate (it's a non-lethal role people, don't get all freaky)

LOL, it's probably good you put that parenthetical. I wonder if some were wondering, oh crap, is DT going to kill me off in order to prove something!

[BrianD]

Sorry about my absence today, but I have finally caught up on everything since I've been out.

The first things I'd like to say....is "ouch". That aggressive interrogation was brutal. I was so bummed to be out of the game for all that time, but I totally understand the need for it. I was trying to keep the voting lively to see what kind of voting record we would produce, and I understand that also made me suspect. It seemed like a reasonable sacrifice to make for the team.

The reading has been great. Seeing ntn shoot CR in the head and have him be conspiracy was one of the most thrilling WW moments I have ever witnessed. The Pass execution was fun too. I'm loving this game so far. I don't really have anything to add as far as suspicion goes...I think you guys have done very well with your analysis. I'll be anxious to jump back in on Monday and see if we can wrap this thing up.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

the timer is paused.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by nfg22

Thank you all...I was at work wondering whether you would believe me or lynch me...Im glad that you followed me...no matter how crazy my role is.

I definitely had flashbacks to the Battlestar game when I believed PB over you, my worst mistake in my personal WW history, but I think you have circumstance and mostly DT to thank for the belief.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Poli

Rebel! Transcend time!

[Autumn]

I'm going to be out all of today. Will check back tonight or tomorrow.

[henry296]

Ok, so the lynch was at ~ 6:30 EST and Barkeep stopped the clock at 11 PM EST. Therefore, we are 3.5 hours into the day. When does the clock restart? If it is a 7 AM EST (6 AM CST) then does that make the new 23 hour mark for the 40% threshold at 2:30 AM EST?

[hoopsguy]

The moderators will post in the thread the elapsed time once the clock is restarted. We will also send a PM to any players who have an action with remaining time until activation in order to minimize any confusion associated with the weekend stoppage.

[Poli]

beep?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by henry296

Ok, so the lynch was at ~ 6:30 EST and Barkeep stopped the clock at 11 PM EST. Therefore, we are 3.5 hours into the day. When does the clock restart? If it is a 7 AM EST (6 AM CST) then does that make the new 23 hour mark for the 40% threshold at 2:30 AM EST?

This is theoretically correct.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Poli

beep?

Best post of the thread nominee!!!

[EagleFan]

hi henry *waves*

[DaddyTorgo]

everyone still clear on everything? *goes back to refresh my memory myself*

[henry296]

DT - did we ever learn who mentioned every 36 hours between actions? Do you think they are still a suspect?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by henry296

DT - did we ever learn who mentioned every 36 hours between actions? Do you think they are still a suspect?

they are not a suspect (except that they may be cunning/traitor)

[DaddyTorgo]

No Verified Trust
TheJackal
Autumn
ISiddiqui
Thomkal

Questionable due to Passacaglia
eaglefan (pass claimed he was evil)
saldana (pass claimed he was good)

Mid-Trust (thru actions, or etc)
kingfc22 (his action resulted in no harm to nfg)
path12



High trust:
DaddyTorgo - CTU Special Agent Jack Bauer
BrianD
ntndeacon (only by action, but he did kill a wolf)
nfg22
PurdueBrad
henry296
Schmidty

Couple notes about this: This list DOES NOT take Henry's list into account despite the fact that he is high-trust. To take Henry's list into account COMBINED with my list, disregard Saldana and Path12 as potential wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

(just wanted to repost that since we're "game on" again

[EagleFan]

What got PB and Schmidty on high trust?

I totally missed something there, at least with PB. Other than PB sending out a PM claiming to be some third party character and not conspiracy has there been anything else? Are you putting him on high trust because you believe his PM? You believed Pass enough to try to lynch me (even though I gave you a wolf with my ability already and Pass gave you NOTHING concrete prior to that) on what he said too and we see where that got us.

Just need clarification. People need to start understanding why we should trust who you say we should trust. Expecially since you have pushed for three lynches.... me, KWhit and clap. You are 0 for 3. Not going to include the Telle lynch in that because I don't remember if you pushed for that, I think that was just a sudden development after the killing of CR.

(apparently you raised your daughter to become a member of the conspiracy so it's natural that your judgement is questioned )

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

What got PB and Schmidty on high trust?

I totally missed something there, at least with PB. Other than PB sending out a PM claiming to be some third party character and not conspiracy has there been anything else? Are you putting him on high trust because you believe his PM? You believed Pass enough to try to lynch me (even though I gave you a wolf with my ability already and Pass gave you NOTHING concrete prior to that) on what he said too and we see where that got us.

Just need clarification. People need to start understanding why we should trust who you say we should trust. Expecially since you have pushed for three lynches.... me, KWhit and clap. You are 0 for 3. Not going to include the Telle lynch in that because I don't remember if you pushed for that, I think that was just a sudden development after the killing of CR.

(apparently you raised your daughter to become a member of the conspiracy so it's natural that your judgement is questioned )

i also pushed for the two lynches that netted us wolves.

and you are TBD still. i'm 0-2 on the first 2 days, hardly worse than the village would do without me.

[DaddyTorgo]

again back to this whole trying to discredit me thing hmm EF? That bumps you up a notch in my "likely to be a wolf" category, cuz I think it's the only shot the wolves have left frankly.

Ummm...yeah...we see where my views on Pass got us - to a lynch of Pass. And CR was next on my list when NTN shot him, because of the nature of the power he claimed (identical to the nature of the power you claim -- something we have no ability to verify).

[DaddyTorgo]

i NEVER had Pass on my high-trust list...at best he was "medium trust", so I'm not sure what you're harping on about. IMHO that is just proving that my CoT is solid.

[DaddyTorgo]

and as for Chief Rum - yes Danny led the lynch, because I was (as noted numerous times) afk for the night, but I received the same info that he did (at least I presume) informing me that Chief was a wolf.

Don't try to use my real-life schedule against me.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i also pushed for the two lynches that netted us wolves.

and you are TBD still. i'm 0-2 on the first 2 days, hardly worse than the village would do without me.

You are counting pushing for a Pass lynch after there was a reveal in thread? Please...

Still no PB answer... I have never seen someone seem to get saved from a lynch as the second candidate on both of the first two nights and then not get questioned again (without basically coming out as the seer and handing us a wolf).

It's time to start playing this a little more like a WW game instead of a be led around blindfolded by the hand and not dare question DT or get put on the not trusted list game.

I give you more reason to trust me than Pass (what I gave you was verified and what he gave you never was) yet the first time he lies about me you jump right on the band wagon. That tells me all that I need to know about your judgement in this game.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

again back to this whole trying to discredit me thing hmm EF? That bumps you up a notch in my "likely to be a wolf" category, cuz I think it's the only shot the wolves have left frankly.

There we have it. The DARE NOT SAY ANYTHING TO QUESTION DT OR YOU MUST BE BAD play..... Why even bother if you can't handle being questioned?

[EagleFan]

Substitute Lathum for DT in the exact same posts and there would be cries of "Lathum is bullying!!!".

[EagleFan]

His act is tiresome. I am out for the night, at least...

[henry296]

EagleFan,

I can't speak for DT since his list is independent from mine, but PurdueBrad was part of my group that voted for Telle, therefore, I would delay the question on his allegience until later in the game.

I'm in the process of re-reading the thread, but haven't found anything of note yet.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

You are counting pushing for a Pass lynch after there was a reveal in thread? Please...

Still no PB answer... I have never seen someone seem to get saved from a lynch as the second candidate on both of the first two nights and then not get questioned again (without basically coming out as the seer and handing us a wolf).

It's time to start playing this a little more like a WW game instead of a be led around blindfolded by the hand and not dare question DT or get put on the not trusted list game.

I give you more reason to trust me than Pass (what I gave you was verified and what he gave you never was) yet the first time he lies about me you jump right on the band wagon. That tells me all that I need to know about your judgement in this game.

yes i'm counting that, because you all were like "who should we trust" and i was like "lynch pass" and that helped sway people.

There's at least one other villager who knows why I trust PB (aside from the seer).

what you gave me was verified? sure...but you could still be a wolf and you threw me a list with 1 wolf and 2 villagers in case this exact situation ever came up in the game so you could fall back on "i questioned CR way before" as a way to buy trust.

I did not jump on you solely because of what Pass said. It was also because of the fact that your claimed power (same as CR's in this sense) is unable to be verified by us villagers.

You badly badly want to be trusted hmm?? Why's it so important to you?? You're on the not-trusted list because aside from giving me a list of 3 names and saying "CR came back as questionable" you haven't done anything to belong on the trust list (as hard as that is for you to accept). And frankly doing that doesn't buy you much more than a *nod* in my book. It doesn't buy you onto the "high trust list," at best it might sneak you onto the "medium trust" list (combined with Pass' comments about you). It has nothing to do with your questioning me. It has to do with the fact you haven't been seer-scanned or interrogated by me.

Everyone on the high-trust list has either been seer-scanned (or interrogated by me), or brought us a wolf - not just said "I think so-and-so is a wolf." Plain and simple. That's why you're not on it, despite your intense desire to be on it. You can make medium-trust, and if you bring us another of the wolves you might make it up to high-trust without a scan sure.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

There we have it. The DARE NOT SAY ANYTHING TO QUESTION DT OR YOU MUST BE BAD play..... Why even bother if you can't handle being questioned?

lol - as i covered - i don't suspect you are bad because you are questioning me. i suspect it because of the nature of the power you claim. your desire to continue trying to prod me and discredit my information is ratcheting that up a bit though, i will confess.

[DaddyTorgo]

is it just me, or does it feel to anyone else like EF is going over the top with this "DT the bully" thing to try to gain sympathy and escape scrutiny?

If you all don't think that i'll back off, but it's tough to see from where i sit, since it's me he's apparently pissed off at.

[nfg22]

I can see EF's point. It does seem like you make the decisions but then again you know who all the key players are and have the most information. You not only have the seer's list but also yours and whoever else has added input. I think EF may have a point but he also needs to tone it down. I like it when people argue for something rather than against something. If your not a wolf then dont say that, but rather tell us why someone else is.

Then again EF may well be the seer and you guys are fake arguing to masqurade that. Thats what makes WW so fun, its the possibilities. That said EF is not the top on my list(but is rising).

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay...I mean I don't want to come off as bullying - I'm just trying to obscure some things. I mean if I come out and say for example "Person X has been scanned by the seer" than that is one less person that the wolves have to chose from as they look to target the seer.

I just wish EF would understand that that's why I'm obscuring things.

[DaddyTorgo]

although i guess the flipside is i can just say "x was scanned by the seer" even when i'm referring to the seer. *shrugs*