Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN)

[Swaggs]

My thinking is that, unless prostitutes have been converted, we win by killing bullet and/or DT. So...

Vote Bulletsponge
Vote Lynch DaddyTorgo

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm not in jail. DT is.

Dammit! I LOL when Chief Rum asked me if I knew something that he didn't when I jailed LSG. I was like, huh?

I jailed her for the murder of Izulde.

[Blade6119]

Bullet - 4

Anyone else - 0

LYNCH DT - 3

NO LYNCH DT - 1

[Swaggs]

I will probably not be back before the deadline, as I have to work late tonight. I feel pretty good about our chances of closing things out with this vote.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Dammit! I LOL when Chief Rum asked me if I knew something that he didn't when I jailed LSG. I was like, huh?

I jailed her for the murder of Izulde.

I'm alive, baby.

[Raiders Army]

I changed it to the murder of Tyrith, which is why a note appeared on the door.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

BTW, I did not go out last night because I still couldn't afford it.

Can you give an actions breakdown, then? I know you were jailed for part of the game but I'm curious to see what the rest of the actions/money list looks like. It seems like you would have had to have pretty lousy luck not to have five shillings for last night.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE BULLETSPONGE

VOTE IZULDE

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE IZULDE

VOTE SWAGGS

[BrianD]

What was that Blade? Looks like you just had a fight with yourself and lost.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Daddy, when you sign on - were you able to complete any activities last night before you were arrested?

That is one thing that has been challenging for me in trying to understand nightly events - I have not been able to follow when events are happening in terms of the two phases (1st or 2nd) or to understand what people can do in conjunction with their actions.

However, with Path's death I'm moving further towards the idea that people can not both visit a prostitute and kill on the same evenings.

There is not a single person left alive who has visited me at night.
People I have not seen at all during night sessions: Raiders, Swaggs, Bullet, Daddy.

nope. my PM was something to the extent of "you know the constables are coming for you, as you prepare to go out anyway and try to visit the prostitutes they show up at your door at the Inn and arrest you."

[hoopsguy]

DT, any strong opinions on who might be the last (?) killer and why?

[DaddyTorgo]

My name is John Tolliver. I am an opium merchant. I didn't kill anyone. I am here in town (obivously) to supply the opium to the opium den. Note that I'm not the OWNER of the opium den, but I do the supplying. Hence why I am staying at the Innn, like Blade (who incidentally is just several doors down from me). So killing me early would have (I assume) shut off the supply of opium to the den, thus taking it out of play. I suppose that doesn't matter so much anymore, but that's why I have stayed in several nights, to supply the opium to the den. I only had night actions available to me on several nights, other nights it was apparently mandated that I stay in in order to provide the opium to the opium den.

I didn't kill Barkeep. Wouldn't it have been pretty stupid to have been the last person to have visited him and then have killed him? Added to the fact that I'm not evil.

You're looking in the wrong place people.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think I'm with Blade on this one....Swaggs and/or Izulde ?? Blade could have scanned Swaggs and he could if he was Moriarity shown up as good (perhaps some evil "cloaking" ability)? And then Izulde could have been converted at some point along the way?

FWIW I don't have a vote or a night action because you all have thrown me in jail...but my vote would be on Swaggs or Izulde, and then clearly not on lynching me.

[hoopsguy]

"evil cloaking" is certainly something that has been seen in these games before - cunning wolf is what it is usually called. Basically a bad guy who looks like a good guy under certain circumstances (death, seer view, etc).

DaddyT - I know you said that you stayed home a couple of nights. I think it could still be helpful to know what your night-by-night activities are. If you are playing as a good guy, you have no incentive to lie. And I'm hoping that there might be some information in there that I can use to help build a case in another direction.

[hoopsguy]

Izulde, what district did you work last night? Any customers?

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, will you have enough money to score tonight?

[Swaggs]

Hoops, I had a detailed account of my actions typed on my laptop, but lost connection, so back on my PC.

Real quick.

Night 0 -- no action, didn't get one submitted.
Night 1 -- visited opium den. Had the vision of barkeep and bullet.
Day 2/Night 2 -- placed an 8-shilling bribe that was accepted, but didn't specify what I wanted done (follow someone or watch an area). Missed the PM from CR as I had gone to bed. Got the option to specify the following day and chose to follow LSG, but Schmidty died.
Night 3 -- went to the opium den. Spoke to Blade and cronin. Was arrested.
Day/Night 3 -- was in jail.
Day 4/Night 4 -- was in jail. Released in the morning. Had 1 at the end of the night.
Day 5/Night 5 -- stayed home to save money.
Day 6/Night 6 -- stayed home to save money.

I could not earn money while in jail.

I will be back tonight.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Swaggs, will you have enough money to score tonight?

Yes... I have enough now.

If you guys make it clear where to go, I will visit tonight.

[Swaggs]

and I am really out now.

[hoopsguy]

For the non-prostitutes - when do you get money? During the day phase or the night phase? This is another piece of information that has not been very clear to me so far ...

[DaddyTorgo]

okay hoops. will do

[DaddyTorgo]

Night Zero - Was arriving in town and didn't get an action. Would have missed the deadline anyway because I wasn't clear on the whole Night Zero concept. I know I said in the past I missed the deadline but that was to avoid saying that I didn't get an action because I was arriving in town on my ship and traveling to the Inn (didn't want to make myself a target as a possible new arrival and be thought of as Holmes/Watson/etc).
Night One -Stayed in to meet with my contacts and supply the opium.
Night Two - The aforementioned "trying to consort with Izulde as Izulde is arrested." Witnessed there by Wednesday, dubb, bullet and DC
Night Three -Opium supplying.
Night Four - Damm that Barkeep was one sexy prostitute. DC went first and then me. Discovered that bulletsponge has hired barkeep twice already. So I would have literally been the last person to hire Barkeep. Would I have been stupid enough to poison him/her? I think not. I think everyone would agree that in the last game I showed more sense as a wolf than that, even if I was evil, which I'm not.
Night Five-Missed deadline for going out and doing anything due to falling asleep in front of my computer. Had the $$ to meet with a prostitute due to my initial starting amount and the little extra I earn for the opium supplying (poppies are expensive ya know), but missed it due to being sleepy.
Night 6-As we all know I was going out to meet with a prostitute and then was arrested by the constable's men.

[hoopsguy]

For your Night four information to be accurate, Bullet would have had to visit Barkeep again on Nights 2 or 3 after seeing BK on Night 1.

I'll see if I can find any posts that back up this information.

Bullet, you can make it easier on me by either confirming or denying this.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

For your Night four information to be accurate, Bullet would have had to visit Barkeep again on Nights 2 or 3 after seeing BK on Night 1.

I'll see if I can find any posts that back up this information.

Bullet, you can make it easier on me by either confirming or denying this.

i just triple-checked my Night Four Action PM on that, and that's definately what it says. Bullet visited barkeep twice already.

hopefully that helps take my neck out of the noose a little. I will be around, doing some various things from now till lynch, but I hope you all see my side of things and let me out of jail to go back to the Inn.

[hoopsguy]

DT, can you also overlay your day/night information with gold collected? At this point I don't think the threat of robbery is a strong enough justification to protect this information - we are hopefully closing in on end-game with the bad guys so I really think there is much more value to releasing info than to protecting it.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - gold = shillings.

[DaddyTorgo]

gotcha.

[DaddyTorgo]

Night Zero - Was arriving in town and didn't get an action. Would have missed the deadline anyway because I wasn't clear on the whole Night Zero concept. I know I said in the past I missed the deadline but that was to avoid saying that I didn't get an action because I was arriving in town on my ship and traveling to the Inn (didn't want to make myself a target as a possible new arrival and be thought of as Holmes/Watson/etc). Arrived with 4 shillings to my name.
Night One -Stayed in to meet with my contacts and supply the opium. (+4 shillings)
Night Two - The aforementioned "trying to consort with Izulde as Izulde is arrested." Witnessed there by Wednesday, dubb, bullet and DC.
Night Three -Opium supplying. (+4 shillings)
Night Four - Damm that Barkeep was one sexy prostitute. DC went first and then me. Discovered that bulletsponge has hired barkeep twice already. So I would have literally been the last person to hire Barkeep. Would I have been stupid enough to poison him/her? I think not. I think everyone would agree that in the last game I showed more sense as a wolf than that, even if I was evil, which I'm not. (-5 shillings)
Night Five-Missed deadline for going out and doing anything due to falling asleep in front of my computer. Had the $$ to meet with a prostitute due to my initial starting amount and the little extra I earn for the opium supplying (poppies are expensive ya know), but missed it due to being sleepy.
Night 6-As we all know I was going out to meet with a prostitute and then was arrested by the constable's men.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm headed out to walk the dog and then go to some work-party and get advice from my old manager about WTF I should do about the fact that my new manager is making me hate my job, and when i hate my job i realize that i'm underemployed and i should be in grad school.

but that ends at 8, so i should be home by like 8:45ish or so.

[hoopsguy]

DT, do you still get money if you do not supply opium? It seems like a bad metric for others to gain 3 every day/night they are not in jail but you only gain 4 if you take a specific night action and nothing if you go out looking for a good time.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by Izulde

No hookups, no one seen for me either and I was in Whitechapel. Was a real dead night too.

I also find path's murder quite surprising, as he and DaddyTorgo were two of the most talked about suspects.

As I already mentioned last night's actions before, I'll just quote myself :P

[st.cronin]

lynch Daddytorgo
vote Bulletsponge

[hoopsguy]

Izulde, just curious - why did you decide to go to a different district than I did last night? Was that a strategic decision or a random decision? If strategic, what was the thought process?

[hoopsguy]

For others in the game who could go out last night, but not visit Izulde or me, what districts did you visit?

I was in Commercial.
Izulde was in Whitechapel.

[st.cronin]

dola

Not sure what to say. We're obviously in the endgame, and the badguy(s) are either cornered or have most of us totally fooled.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, where did you and Blade head last night?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, where did you and Blade head last night?

We went after path.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so what was the timing on that? Did you speak to him and he was killed later? Because I'm the one that discovered the body ...

What district was Path in?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, so what was the timing on that? Did you speak to him and he was killed later? Because I'm the one that discovered the body ...

What district was Path in?

We interviewed him in Commercial prior to him being killed.

[st.cronin]

Dola

We recieved no information on the murder other than what was posted in thread by Chief Rum.

[hoopsguy]

Anyone else in the district? Did you guys see me in Commercial?

[hoopsguy]

Because I didn't see you guys - on three previous evenings I have seen you guys doing your interrogation. Last night I was in the district with you - with nothing in my PM or the night write-up that indicates particularly bad viewing conditions - and I do not encounter you interrogating Path. So I'm wondering what was different?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Anyone else in the district? Did you guys see me in Commercial?

I did not notice you at all, but I haven't seen Blade's pm yet. We don't always get the same information.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Because I didn't see you guys - on three previous evenings I have seen you guys doing your interrogation. Last night I was in the district with you - with nothing in my PM or the night write-up that indicates particularly bad viewing conditions - and I do not encounter you interrogating Path. So I'm wondering what was different?

No idea. Maybe something about path?

[Blade6119]

Cronin, please check your PM box...we need to talk about a few things in private

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

What was that Blade? Looks like you just had a fight with yourself and lost.

Ever watch scrubs? I was cracking up one episode when the main character JD was being given an intervention by his friends..they said he worked too hard, and he denied it. So his best friend asked him about the time he wanted to go on vacaction. JD said how he submitted his request for time off but it was turned down. His friend points out JD is the one who handles the requests, and turned himself down. JD is all "Ya, well it just wasnt in the books to grant myself the days off i requested."

Random, but its what i thought of when you said that

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE SWAGGS

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

ill follow that argument cronin

[DaddyTorgo]

nope. i only get $$ if I supply said opium. i guess it was some design by CR to make the person with that role a subject of suspiscion because they had to stay in to get $$. And maybe some sort of sacrifice for the extra shilling.

vote count? am i still in trouble?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

nope. i only get $$ if I supply said opium. i guess it was some design by CR to make the person with that role a subject of suspiscion because they had to stay in to get $$. And maybe some sort of sacrifice for the extra shilling.

vote count? am i still in trouble?

I think its either 3-1 your dying or 4-1...either way id say your a dead man..im the lone vote to keep you alive right now