Werewolf XXXVIII: Jack The Ripper (GAME OVER! GOOD WINS ON DAY SEVEN) - Page 48

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:18 PM

Blade, how would RA know if one or both of you had been converted?

Look, I'm just trying to figure out why you are taking the approach you are taking tonight. I'm not advocating lynching either of you guys at the moment, but I'm not backing down from asking questions this time.

If the group sees this as sufficient reason to come after me, then we'll be short one more Londoner. But the information you guys are presenting doesn't make any sense.

If you visited someone besides Path, they could come forward and say that you visited them last night. But no one is coming forward and you guys are not giving information about it despite both of you being in the thread.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, how would RA know if one or both of you had been converted?

Look, I'm just trying to figure out why you are taking the approach you are taking tonight. I'm not advocating lynching either of you guys at the moment, but I'm not backing down from asking questions this time.

If the group sees this as sufficient reason to come after me, then we'll be short one more Londoner. But the information you guys are presenting doesn't make any sense.

If you visited someone besides Path, they could come forward and say that you visited them last night. But no one is coming forward and you guys are not giving information about it despite both of you being in the thread.

what he said. i didn't say i wanted to lynch you blade. i just said i wanted you to answer the questions, that's all.

RA...don't lynch me!

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm just saying RA...something doesn't add up. and like blade is saying, in a numbers game right now, we are so far ahead that we can almost afford that lynch to find out what the two of them are really up to.

What really doesn't add up is that you could've kept your mouth shut. I was ready to save you had Blade not said something concrete and you had to come out of left field with that. Why would I vote to lynch someone who I have professed many times to be Holmes and Watson? The fact that Moriarty is out there and might not be bulletsponge is a huge factor because nobody knows for sure if bulletsponge is Moriarty. You two are the top suspects. Surely you can see where I'm coming from.

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, how would RA know if one or both of you had been converted?

Becuase if one of us was converted the other would know it. That person would then tell everyone else. We are always together, day and night...i see no way cronin could far to darkness without me knowing, especially with the unique bodyguard like power he possesses

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

What really doesn't add up is that you could've kept your mouth shut. I was ready to save you had Blade not said something concrete and you had to come out of left field with that. Why would I vote to lynch someone who I have professed many times to be Holmes and Watson? The fact that Moriarty is out there and might not be bulletsponge is a huge factor because nobody knows for sure if bulletsponge is Moriarty. You two are the top suspects. Surely you can see where I'm coming from.

right. but even if they are holmes and watson, do we know for sure that they might not also be masons with their own victory conditions or up to something else? i'm not disputing they are holmes and watson, but something doesn't add up, and it's frustrating to me!

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:23 PM

i'd like to live to the end of the game...sure. but i'd also like to know WTF they are up to and being so secretive about.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:23 PM

Actually I felt pretty safe about night 3 because I realized since I never went out that it would be hard for a baddie to kill me.

Anyhow, I'm sticking with this unless someone has some hard evidence to sway me from my decisions.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

right. but even if they are holmes and watson, do we know for sure that they might not also be masons with their own victory conditions or up to something else? i'm not disputing they are holmes and watson, but something doesn't add up, and it's frustrating to me!

But why go after them when Moriarty is still out there? Answer that and I'll think about saving you.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Actually I felt pretty safe about night 3 because I realized since I never went out that it would be hard for a baddie to kill me.

Anyhow, I'm sticking with this unless someone has some hard evidence to sway me from my decisions.

Also, it's pretty ironic since I was the Chief of Inspections at West Point in my last job.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:25 PM

and maybe i just see my death as inevitable if bulletsponge comes up clean...and if he doesn't then it's not that the end of the world that i didn't live till the end of the game.

living would be nice though, don't get me wrong.

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

right. but even if they are holmes and watson, do we know for sure that they might not also be masons with their own victory conditions or up to something else? i'm not disputing they are holmes and watson, but something doesn't add up, and it's frustrating to me!

Do you really believe they would grant two of the biggest roles for good additional roles to harm good? That would greatly unbalance the game DT...we have you dubb, saldana, and helped with Lathum and LSG(it was me who said i didnt believe her when she confirmed my saldana story and said she was likely still my top suspect). If we werent with good, we wouldnt be anywhere near this close to victory. Neither dubb nor saldana were going to get lynched if we didnt say anyting...DT, you killed yourself there, sorry

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

and maybe i just see my death as inevitable if bulletsponge comes up clean...and if he doesn't then it's not that the end of the world that i didn't live till the end of the game.

living would be nice though, don't get me wrong.

If bullet does come up as clean, why go after a mason? If you had directed your vote towards hoops or swaggs it would've made more sense to me. Maybe you didn't realize how much I trusted blade and cronin. *shrug*

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:27 PM

Blade, I don't know how to respond to that - it is based on information that is specific to your role PM and there isn't anyone else who can vouch for it.

I'm much more interested in understanding what happened with you two last night. I certainly wasn't asking for you to not scan DT so you could go back to the guy you had scanned the night before. And the circumstances around it (him dead, me not seeing you two) look really lousy as well.

Your actions have earned a good amount of trust so far this game - which is why I'm trying to talk this out instead of pushing harder. But your refusal to discuss it has the look of a bad guy who realize he screwed up right now. We've made it seven days without a major Blade/Hoops throwdown and I wasn't looking to have one right now. Just answer the questions about last night and we don't need to have one tonight either.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

But why go after them when Moriarty is still out there? Answer that and I'll think about saving you.

i don't want to GO AFTER THEM. i just want them to tell us what they're being so secretive about. and voting being the only weapon that there is in this game to force people to talk, what i MEANT was that that type of pressure might force them to tell us why they're being secretive. if they'd just come right out and say it that'd be fine, but they won't. I'm just wary of CR's description of masons, and how they could be working for either side, implying they have their own victory conditions, and if there are masons then I wouldn't want to see them win because we rushed to lynch me when I could just as easily sit in jail for another day.

st.cronin · 12-05-2006, 09:28 PM

st.cronin: Hoopsguy, in the games when you have a bodyguard, were you always completely open with the village about your movements?

Hoopsguy: um, no

st.cronin: ok then

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:28 PM

I personally don't think he needs to explain himself to you. DT made a mistake; a fatal one. Your behavior is only putting the target on you if the game doesn't end tonight.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

If bullet does come up as clean, why go after a mason? If you had directed your vote towards hoops or swaggs it would've made more sense to me. Maybe you didn't realize how much I trusted blade and cronin. *shrug*

i don't have a vote. you have me in jail. i just want answers.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:29 PM

Also, I have another theory to share after the game is over tonight. Remind me to share with y'all...including Chief Rum.

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Blade, I don't know how to respond to that - it is based on information that is specific to your role PM and there isn't anyone else who can vouch for it.

I'm much more interested in understanding what happened with you two last night. I certainly wasn't asking for you to not scan DT so you could go back to the guy you had scanned the night before. And the circumstances around it (him dead, me not seeing you two) look really lousy as well.

Your actions have earned a good amount of trust so far this game - which is why I'm trying to talk this out instead of pushing harder. But your refusal to discuss it has the look of a bad guy who realize he screwed up right now. We've made it seven days without a major Blade/Hoops throwdown and I wasn't looking to have one right now. Just answer the questions about last night and we don't need to have one tonight either.

If you still dont trust me after i was one of the top two pushers for ALL 4 dead bad guys, then nothing i say now will convince you. No offense, you can try all you want but ive told you what im willing to tell you. You can suspect, accuse, or pick a fight. You will find me quite unresponsive. There will be no major hoops/blade throwdown today, becuase quite frankly i wont enter into one with you.

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:32 PM

Raiders, I would think the target would shift to me if DT is a bad guy and the game doesn't end tonight because I would be potentially trying to protect him.

But I'm not doing that - I'm trying to understand why our seer and partner are lying to us in a manner that makes them look guilty.

Cronin, in the times that I was a bodyguard I didn't leak fake information after the fact - I just withheld who my last protection was in games where I couldn't guard the same people twice. I get that Blade plays fast and loose with information, but what is the value-add in keeping this info to himself and you telling a lie that is pretty easily disproved?

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:34 PM

Fine. When the game does not end tonight come scan me.

If the game does end tonight, I'll apologize for introducing doubt near the end of the game although I don't know what information you could possibly have collected last night that would explain how you two are playing right now. I guess it is a topic for the post-game.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:35 PM

I think the game is over tonight from what I've seen.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I think the game is over tonight from what I've seen.

??

st.cronin · 12-05-2006, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Raiders, I would think the target would shift to me if DT is a bad guy and the game doesn't end tonight because I would be potentially trying to protect him.

But I'm not doing that - I'm trying to understand why our seer and partner are lying to us in a manner that makes them look guilty.

Cronin, in the times that I was a bodyguard I didn't leak fake information after the fact - I just withheld who my last protection was in games where I couldn't guard the same people twice. I get that Blade plays fast and loose with information, but what is the value-add in keeping this info to himself and you telling a lie that is pretty easily disproved?

The short answer is that we suspect that there are counter-measures to some things we may do.

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:37 PM

Raiders, I can certainly come up with scenarios where lynching two tonight could end very badly (Blade/Cronin are converted as a pair???) but I think they are pretty remote and that we will have the luxury of getting it right tomorrow if we screw up today.

That doesn't mean I like how this is playing out at all.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

The short answer is that we suspect that there are counter-measures to some things we may do.

aaaah. well that's certainly understandable then. you could have come out awhile back and said that and saved my neck though!

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:39 PM

I hope it is...if moriarty is the last evil, it should be DT...if its a conversion, we will likely have to win tomorrow or the day after if only 1 is left. Hoops was a very attractive conversion target, as was izulde and swaggs(if converted on nights after he was cleared). Tomorrow, if game does not end today, we will have(not counting any night attempts):

Special:
Raiders
Cronin
Blade

Hooker:
Hoops
Izulde

Reg:
Swaggs

If we can lynch two of those bottom 3, we shold win...if not, we go to the next day and kill the 3rd...numbers game, see?

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

??

I'll explain after the game is over.

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:39 PM

If DT is telling the truth, then Bullet had two shots at harming Barkeep (this is based upon Blade/Dubb info on poisoning as cause of death, as it was not spelled out publicly).

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I'll explain after the game is over.

still determined to kill me?

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

still determined to kill me?

Ya. My theory is based on out of game stuff that I have observed tonight but I'm still letting you die (and voting to lynch you) based on what you've said.

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:44 PM

Izulde and Swaggs - I'm interested in your thoughts on how the events of the last couple of hours have played out.

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Ya. My theory is based on out of game stuff that I have observed tonight but I'm still letting you die (and voting to lynch you) based on what you've said.

theory?

what have i said? that the blade/cronin secretiveness makes me uncomfortable? even if they are good, don't you still want to know what they're up to?

i wasn't seriously arguing that we lynch one of them. more like wondering what they were up to.

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:47 PM

And im pretty sure i decided who i want to scan already if we dont win today, so im looking forward to these lynch results.

st.cronin · 12-05-2006, 09:49 PM

RA, can you put TWO people in prison? Or is it just one per night?

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

theory?

what have i said? that the blade/cronin secretiveness makes me uncomfortable? even if they are good, don't you still want to know what they're up to?

i wasn't seriously arguing that we lynch one of them. more like wondering what they were up to.

Sorry to confuse, but my theory that the game is going to end tonight is based on out of game events. That being siad, their secretiveness doesn't make me uncomfortable until we kill Moriarty.

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

RA, can you put TWO people in prison? Or is it just one per night?

One per night, but two can be in prison at a time.

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

RA, can you put TWO people in prison? Or is it just one per night?

Thinking toss 2 in prison tonight so we can lynch all 3 tomorrow? Interesting idea

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:51 PM

nm, RA said nope

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Sorry to confuse, but my theory that the game is going to end tonight is based on out of game events. That being siad, their secretiveness doesn't make me uncomfortable until we kill Moriarty.

what out-of-game events?

now i'm just really curious.

right, and we do need to kill moriarity first, but there's no reason we can't at least like...ask the questions of them now. it's not like we can't pursue 2 agendas.

hoopsguy · 12-05-2006, 09:54 PM

K, out until after results are posted. Hopefully returning to a post-game ...

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:55 PM

We'll find out here in a few minutes what happens!

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

what out-of-game events?

now i'm just really curious.

right, and we do need to kill moriarity first, but there's no reason we can't at least like...ask the questions of them now. it's not like we can't pursue 2 agendas.

You say quite clearly to kill us..thats not ask questions, thats flat out telling them to kill us:

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

keep me in jail, lynch one of the two of them and maybe we'd find out why they were so secretive?

Chief Rum · 12-05-2006, 09:56 PM

Time check.

Blade6119 · 12-05-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

We'll find out here in a few minutes what happens!

Raiders, any thoughts on tonight's scan?

DaddyTorgo · 12-05-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

You say quite clearly to kill us..thats not ask questions, thats flat out telling them to kill us:

it was a question though...see the ? on it. trying to put pressure on you two to find out what you're up to that's all!

Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

Raiders, any thoughts on tonight's scan?

Nope. I think the game's over.

Swaggs · 12-05-2006, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Izulde and Swaggs - I'm interested in your thoughts on how the events of the last couple of hours have played out.

I just had to breeze through, but I think we are making the right move tonight. Unless we think hookers can be converted, I don't know where else to go, other than DT and/or bullet.

As I said earlier, I will be happy to visit one of you all tonight if you tell me where.

st.cronin · 12-05-2006, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Nope. I think the game's over.

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Raiders Army · 12-05-2006, 10:01 PM

Anyhow, I thought the game was over since Chief Rum was in the thread for the past hour or so off and on...mostly on. I don't believe he's stuck around that much for a deadline before.

12-05-2006, 09:28 PM	#2365
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	st.cronin: Hoopsguy, in the games when you have a bodyguard, were you always completely open with the village about your movements? Hoopsguy: um, no st.cronin: ok then __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-05-2006, 09:39 PM	#2377
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	I hope it is...if moriarty is the last evil, it should be DT...if its a conversion, we will likely have to win tomorrow or the day after if only 1 is left. Hoops was a very attractive conversion target, as was izulde and swaggs(if converted on nights after he was cleared). Tomorrow, if game does not end today, we will have(not counting any night attempts): Special: Raiders Cronin Blade Hooker: Hoops Izulde Reg: Swaggs If we can lynch two of those bottom 3, we shold win...if not, we go to the next day and kill the 3rd...numbers game, see? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-05-2006, 09:47 PM	#2384
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	And im pretty sure i decided who i want to scan already if we dont win today, so im looking forward to these lynch results. __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-05-2006, 09:49 PM	#2385
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	RA, can you put TWO people in prison? Or is it just one per night? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-05-2006, 09:51 PM	#2389
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	nm, RA said nope __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-05-2006, 09:18 PM	#2351
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Blade, how would RA know if one or both of you had been converted? Look, I'm just trying to figure out why you are taking the approach you are taking tonight. I'm not advocating lynching either of you guys at the moment, but I'm not backing down from asking questions this time. If the group sees this as sufficient reason to come after me, then we'll be short one more Londoner. But the information you guys are presenting doesn't make any sense. If you visited someone besides Path, they could come forward and say that you visited them last night. But no one is coming forward and you guys are not giving information about it despite both of you being in the thread.

12-05-2006, 09:23 PM	#2356
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'd like to live to the end of the game...sure. but i'd also like to know WTF they are up to and being so secretive about.

12-05-2006, 09:23 PM	#2357
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Actually I felt pretty safe about night 3 because I realized since I never went out that it would be hard for a baddie to kill me. Anyhow, I'm sticking with this unless someone has some hard evidence to sway me from my decisions.

12-05-2006, 09:25 PM	#2360
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	and maybe i just see my death as inevitable if bulletsponge comes up clean...and if he doesn't then it's not that the end of the world that i didn't live till the end of the game. living would be nice though, don't get me wrong.

12-05-2006, 09:27 PM	#2363
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Blade, I don't know how to respond to that - it is based on information that is specific to your role PM and there isn't anyone else who can vouch for it. I'm much more interested in understanding what happened with you two last night. I certainly wasn't asking for you to not scan DT so you could go back to the guy you had scanned the night before. And the circumstances around it (him dead, me not seeing you two) look really lousy as well. Your actions have earned a good amount of trust so far this game - which is why I'm trying to talk this out instead of pushing harder. But your refusal to discuss it has the look of a bad guy who realize he screwed up right now. We've made it seven days without a major Blade/Hoops throwdown and I wasn't looking to have one right now. Just answer the questions about last night and we don't need to have one tonight either.

12-05-2006, 09:28 PM	#2366
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I personally don't think he needs to explain himself to you. DT made a mistake; a fatal one. Your behavior is only putting the target on you if the game doesn't end tonight.

12-05-2006, 09:29 PM	#2368
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Also, I have another theory to share after the game is over tonight. Remind me to share with y'all...including Chief Rum.

12-05-2006, 09:32 PM	#2370
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Raiders, I would think the target would shift to me if DT is a bad guy and the game doesn't end tonight because I would be potentially trying to protect him. But I'm not doing that - I'm trying to understand why our seer and partner are lying to us in a manner that makes them look guilty. Cronin, in the times that I was a bodyguard I didn't leak fake information after the fact - I just withheld who my last protection was in games where I couldn't guard the same people twice. I get that Blade plays fast and loose with information, but what is the value-add in keeping this info to himself and you telling a lie that is pretty easily disproved?

12-05-2006, 09:34 PM	#2371
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Fine. When the game does not end tonight come scan me. If the game does end tonight, I'll apologize for introducing doubt near the end of the game although I don't know what information you could possibly have collected last night that would explain how you two are playing right now. I guess it is a topic for the post-game.

12-05-2006, 09:35 PM	#2372
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I think the game is over tonight from what I've seen.

12-05-2006, 09:37 PM	#2375
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Raiders, I can certainly come up with scenarios where lynching two tonight could end very badly (Blade/Cronin are converted as a pair???) but I think they are pretty remote and that we will have the luxury of getting it right tomorrow if we screw up today. That doesn't mean I like how this is playing out at all.

12-05-2006, 09:39 PM	#2379
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If DT is telling the truth, then Bullet had two shots at harming Barkeep (this is based upon Blade/Dubb info on poisoning as cause of death, as it was not spelled out publicly). VOTE BULLETSPONGE

12-05-2006, 09:44 PM	#2382
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Izulde and Swaggs - I'm interested in your thoughts on how the events of the last couple of hours have played out.

12-05-2006, 09:54 PM	#2391
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	K, out until after results are posted. Hopefully returning to a post-game ...

12-05-2006, 09:55 PM	#2392
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	We'll find out here in a few minutes what happens!

12-05-2006, 09:56 PM	#2394
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Time check. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

12-05-2006, 10:01 PM	#2400
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Anyhow, I thought the game was over since Chief Rum was in the thread for the past hour or so off and on...mostly on. I don't believe he's stuck around that much for a deadline before.

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