WW XCIII - Mine Wars - Battle of Blair Mountain - SYMPATHIZERS WIN!!!

[Lathum]

final vote count

PB-7- EF (1915), Lathum ( 2059), CR (2116),NTNDeacon (2143), Dubb ( 2172), DT (2260), Poli (2266)

Dubb-7-BK (1942), PB (1949), Glengoyne (1988), Heinze (2084), USFL (2097), Clap (2164), Danny (2273)

[Lathum]

1909-Danny votes NTNDeacon
1915-EF votes PB
1933-Danny unvotes NTNDeacon
1933-Danny votes CR
1942-BK votes Dubb
1948-Danny unvotes CR
1949 PB votes Dubb
1988- Glengoyne votes Dubb
2018- Poli votes PB
2034-Poli unvotes PB
2034-Poli votes Clap
2059-Lathum votes PB
2084- Heinze votes Dubb
2097-USFL votes Dubb
2103- Dubb votes Heinze
2109-Danny votes Dubb
2116-CR votes PB
2133-Danny unvotes Dubb
2133-Danny votes PB
2142-Danny unvotes PB
2143-NTNDeacon votes PB
2164-Clap votes Dubb
2172-Dubb unvotes Heinze
2172-Dubb votes PB
2184-Danny votes PB
2260-DT votes PB
2266-Poli unvotes Clap
2266 Poli votes PB
2273-Danny unvotes PB
2273-Danny votes Dubb

[Lathum]

Danny's moves were very odd. He switched around alot, especialy at the end.

If Danny is a wolf PB likely is also since Danny's shift saved PB.

[Lathum]

another thing I noticed was Clap cast a vote that at the time put Dubb up by 2 votes before the run on PB.

combine that with his day 2 vote od Pass I think he needs some looking at.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Danny's moves were very odd. He switched around alot, especialy at the end.

If Danny is a wolf PB likely is also since Danny's shift saved PB.

I agree 100%. If PB is a wolf, you guys should lynch me afterwards. I still don't know if PB is good, but my fate is tied to him I am sure.

[dubb93]

Lathum please tell Saldana to check his PMs. Thanks.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Lathum please tell Saldana to check his PMs. Thanks.

will do

[Lathum]

just call him

[Lathum]

called I mean

[Lathum]

I think we still need to vote PB tomorrow.

Looking at the 7 people who voted for him 4 are trusted, 1 is dead and 2 unknowns. If PB comes up wolf we can up the trust level of the other 2

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

called I mean

Thanks again.

[DaddyTorgo]

good point

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think we still need to vote PB tomorrow.

Looking at the 7 people who voted for him 4 are trusted, 1 is dead and 2 unknowns. If PB comes up wolf we can up the trust level of the other 2

whoops, this was the "good point" i referred to in my last post

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think we still need to vote PB tomorrow.

Looking at the 7 people who voted for him 4 are trusted, 1 is dead and 2 unknowns. If PB comes up wolf we can up the trust level of the other 2

No voting tomorrow.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Posted without comment.

Hehe

Just because I don't know what I'm doing doesn't usually stop me. I am what I am professionally today, because I make good decisions based on data. I'm not always right, but I'm not afraid to make a decision.

In the past, in WW, I've often advocated for no lynch in situations where I feared being Villager on Villager. I've also seen what can be gained when pushing for a conclusion.

So while I'm disappointed that Dubb was one of us, I'm happy that we should be able to learn something from today's vote, after tonight's action. In my mind, that should be the primary motive for scanning tonight. Pick someone who will shed light on today's vote. To me that means PB, but as this post points out, I don't know a whole helluva lot about this game.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

No voting tomorrow.

next chance we have then

[EagleFan]

Wow, basically Danny voted everyone who wasn't on the trust list yesterday.

[TheNorm]

Dammit, I clearly fucked up today--I misread and thought that since we were doing work both today and tomorrow, I thought our oust vote wasn't until tomorrow. Sorry fellas...f'ing stupid.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Dammit, I clearly fucked up today--I misread and thought that since we were doing work both today and tomorrow, I thought our oust vote wasn't until tomorrow. Sorry fellas...f'ing stupid.

On the bright side we're not going to vote for you because of this.

[Glengoyne]

Oh up there I said I made good decisions based on data...That should really be I make decisions based on data. I get some things really wrong. I mean spectacularly wrong.

WW for me is an exercise in making unfounded assumptions, and then compounding that error with analysis without data of my own manufacturing. I'm hoping that with experience, some day I may not suck.

[Glengoyne]

Should be

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

WW for me is an exercise in making unfounded assumptions, and then compounding that error with analysis of data of my own manufacturing. I'm hoping that with experience, some day I may not suck.

[hoopsguy]

Glen, plenty of us still suck at the game even after lots of practice.

Nice to see you back in the mix this time around.

[EagleFan]

Work Breakdown

Day One
Gladhandling: jeheinz72, claphamsa, dubb93, Lathum, Schmidty
Oratory: Passacaglia, PurdueBrad, Autumn, DaddyTorgo, Chief Rum, USFLTecmo, path12

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR, ntndeacon, Danny, EagleFan, Barkeep49, TheNorm


Day Two
Patrol: Chief Rum, USFLTecmo
Food Distirbution: Lathum, Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, jeheinz72, dubb93, Autumn, TheNorm, Danny, Passacaglia
Organizing: claphamsa, Schmidty, ntndeacon, DaddyTorgo

Mission: Poli, Jackal, RendeR

Arrested: EagleFan


Day Three
Gladhandling: dubb93, claphamsa, jeheinz72
Oratory: PurdueBrad, DaddyTorgo, Autumn, RendeR
Treasury: Barkeep49, EagleFan, USFLTecmo, Lathum, TheNorm, Chief Rum
Organization: ntndeacon, Poli, Jackal, Passacaglia


Day Four
Hunting: Danny, Barkeep49, jeheinz72, ntndeacon, The Jackal, TheNorm, EagleFan, dubb93, PurdueBrad, RendeR
Patrol: Chief Rum, Lathum, Glengoyne

Mission: claphamsa, DaddyTorgo, Poli

Arrested: USFLTecmo



Updated with dubb's info.

[EagleFan]

Voting Results:

Day 3
RendeR 4 - Lathum, Autumn, Passacaglia, The Jackal
The Jackal 6 - Danny, Poli, jeheinz72, Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, RendeR
PurdueBrad 1 - EagleFan
Passacaglia 1 - claphamsa
Autumn 1 - Chief Rum
Schmidty 2 - USFLTecmo, dubb93


Day 5
PurdueBrad 7 - EagleFan, Lathum, Chief Rum, ntndeacon, dubb93, DaddyTorgo, Poli
dubb93 7 - Barkeep49, PurdueBrad, Glengoyne, jeheinz72, USFLTecmo, claphamsa, Danny

[EagleFan]

If we were villager/villager today than I feel confident that it's 50/50 that either ntn or DT is a wolf.

clap's trade off vote with Pass stands out to me as well. They both had their votes on each other as throw away votes until Pass switched to try to save Jackal. Not a truly condemning event but something worth noting.

My voting record also sucks so if I were any one of you I would question me to be honest. Unfortunately it has just been lousy villager play by me so far.

I would think that one wolf was hiding a vote on Jackal.

Did ntn and DT not vote on day 3? I took the vote total from someone else on that day with about an hour to go and followed it through to the deadline. Now I see there are missing names so someone may want to recheck that (if I don't make it through the night phase).

[EagleFan]

Uh oh, Jackal is lurking.

[Abe Sargent]

What is that...noise? Is that a train this late at night?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

If we were villager/villager today than I feel confident that it's 50/50 that either ntn or DT is a wolf.

clap's trade off vote with Pass stands out to me as well. They both had their votes on each other as throw away votes until Pass switched to try to save Jackal. Not a truly condemning event but something worth noting.

My voting record also sucks so if I were any one of you I would question me to be honest. Unfortunately it has just been lousy villager play by me so far.

I would think that one wolf was hiding a vote on Jackal.

Did ntn and DT not vote on day 3? I took the vote total from someone else on that day with about an hour to go and followed it through to the deadline. Now I see there are missing names so someone may want to recheck that (if I don't make it through the night phase).

nope - i have voted everyday we've had votes to make.

not sure where you get the idea that i'm a wolf from.

[EagleFan]

Uh oh...

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

nope - i have voted everyday we've had votes to make.

not sure where you get the idea that i'm a wolf from.

Didn't say you were. Just saying that if we were villager/villager today that I think since you and ntn were the only non cleared votes on PB I feel there is a much better than average chance that one of you is a wolf. It would make sense that the votes would be spread out byt the wolves at that point as it wouldn't matter who went home of the two at that point.


If I am still around after the night action I will look over that day three vote. As I mentioned I only took that from someone else's vote totals and worked forward. You were not listed on that total and I didn;t see a vote from you after that point (which was only a little while before the deadline).

[DaddyTorgo]

it'd also make sense if we were villager/villager that the wolves would get their votes in earlier so they wouldn't be dangling off the end. so either they were all on dubb or ntn is a wolf or we've had some converts in the middle on PB

[DaddyTorgo]

that was the day we voted off jackal right?

[DaddyTorgo]

NIGHT DEADLINE

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

that was the day we voted off jackal right?

No, the first time we voted.

[EagleFan]

I didn't include the Jackal vote since it was all one sided.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmm. oh i don't remember. anyways let's see what happened in night deadline here

[DaddyTorgo]

you know - by all of us announcing who we have cleared in a game with conversions we're just giving roadmaps to the wolves on who to try to convert...idk how we could avoid it really, i'm just pointing that out.

[Abe Sargent]

On the evening of February 7, 1913, all thought everything was going well. The Mine War was beginning to look winnable for unionfolk. Striking miners and their families lived in their camps, with the bare necessities covered, often times only just. It was hard days and it was good days. You know the worth of a man by how much work he’d do, and you knew you were on the side of right.

At night, in the quiet striker camp of Holly Grove on Paint Creek, one of the singular events in US union history would take place.

During the late afternoon, Kanawha County Sheriff Bonner Hill received word that the strikers had once again prevented scabs from entering the mines with their striking. He went to Governor Glasscock’s office and was told to go to Paint and Cabin Creeks to set the miners straight.

The trains were already gone from the stations, but he knew of a special train owned by a railroad company that was nearby. This train was called the Bull Moose Special.

The Bull Moose Special was designed by the coal company to break up railroad strikes. It was just an engine and two cars. The train was heavily armored to protect itself from the stones and guns of strikers. The train had two machines emplaced on the train.

The sheriff grabbed several deputies, a representative from the railroad who knew how to use the machine guns, a number of Baldwin-Felts gun-thugs, and several coal owners and operators and headed to the Creeks.

No one knows who fired first. The train sped by Holly Grove so quickly that the entire exchange took only a few seconds. In Senate testimony, the Sheriff would say that he did not know which side fired first. Miners say that the train buzzed past, blazing bullets into the mine camp where women and children were. Some of those on the train said bullets fired at them first.

What is known is that in seconds, the Bull Moose Special was gone through the camp. During those few seconds, one of the machine guns spewed forth over 200 bullets. One coal owner is overheard by those on the train as wanting to turn the train around and give them another round.

No one on the train was killed, or even injured. The striking miners were not so lucky.



The event - Bull Moose Special has occurred. Poli has been killed by the passing train.

[Abe Sargent]

Union Bodyguard – Once per night, submit to me the name of any person, and you will guard that person. That person will not be the target of the sympathizers. Your eyesight is not that good, so you are unable to identify any would be attackers, but you will know if you stopped someone, and you may not guard yourself, nor can you guard the same person more than one night in a row.

Poli's role

[DaddyTorgo]

well that's an interesting choice

[EagleFan]

Dammit, that was not a good night.

[Danny]

Good job Poli, you bought us another scan at least.

[DaddyTorgo]

oof - bodyguard :-(

[EagleFan]

That tells me tonight is most likely our last scan. I hope it ends up being a good one.

[EagleFan]

We will avenge you Poli!!!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Although the day was largely successful, you sent an innocent man away and you experienced one of the most crushing heartbreaks of the Mine Wars.

You renew your intention to succeed today, and win Cabin Creek (counts as two camps).

There are no votes for Ousting today.

There will be a mission today.

Day 6 ends at 9 pm.

[Abe Sargent]

Today’s mission.

Mother Jones was one of labor’s greatest leaders and figureheads, especially in the mines. She spent significant time in mining states and working with miners, and was involved in all of the major mining labor stories, from the West Virginia Mine War of 1912-1913 to the Colorado Minefield Conflicts and the Ludlow Massacre through even greater tragedies in the east to follow.

She was a brilliant motivator and speaker. She could light people on fire. She does your cause justice.

Today you have a Mission to Recruit Mother Jones.

This will be due at 3:00 pm EST

[Danny]

Now that the night kill is over. I am the black food distributor. Today I suggest I am sent on the mission as I do no good by working.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

As of 2255:

Patrolling: Chief Rum x3 (1926), Poli (1951), USFLTecomo X3 (1958), RendeR (1965), TheNorm (2091), Glengoyne (2236) (10/10)
Food Distribution: Danny x1(event) (1900), EagleFan x3 (1901), Lathum x3 (2023) (9/10)
Gladhandling: claphamsa x3 (1939), jeheinz72 x3 (1952), dubb93 (2131) (9/10)
Oratory: PurdueBrad x3 (1938), DaddyTorgo x3 (1946), Barkeep49 (2106). ntndeacon (2134) (8/10)

Patrolling – 10/10
Food Distribution – 7/10
Gladhandling – 9/10
Oratory – 7/10

Just putting data all in a convenient place.

Patrolling: we're done!

Food Dist.: We need 3 points
We have two cleared x3 players(EF and Lathum) , and one that is under suspicion(Danny).

Glad Handing: We need 1 point
We have two uncleared x3 players(Clap and Heinz)

Oratory: We need 3 points
We have two uncleared x3 players (PB and Daddy Torgo)

My thought is to assemble a plan that

• Relies on cleared folks for the required hours as much as possible.
• Does not group cleared and uncleared people for the same task.
• Provides enough backup to safeguard against arrest.
• Allows us to commit some resources to the recruitment mission.

All of that looks to be a tall order. Even with so few points to go.