Werewolf 40,000: The Horus Heresy CHAOS DEFEATED; MUTANTS SURVIVE

[BrianD]

Is anyone else uncomfortable with the way the Swaggs thing went down tonight? If we couldn't get through his neck tonight, what makes us think we will be able to tomorrow night? I still trust Grey, and by extension, Mustang, but the results of tonight make me wonder about tomorrow's lynching. Have we been fooled? Do we give it one more lynching to see?

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Is anyone else uncomfortable with the way the Swaggs thing went down tonight? If we couldn't get through his neck tonight, what makes us think we will be able to tomorrow night? I still trust Grey, and by extension, Mustang, but the results of tonight make me wonder about tomorrow's lynching. Have we been fooled? Do we give it one more lynching to see?

I was uncomfortable with it.

The emperor's throne is failing and you guys are going to waste another day trying to lynch me when I have told you all and king has confirmed that I can't die during the day.

I honestly do not believe that it is going to happen again tomorrow. I suspect that the emperor will be dead in a few more turns either way, so it probably doesn't matter anyway. I doubt we would be able to kill the chaos tomorrow, even if you all didn't vote for me.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I was uncomfortable with it.

The emperor's throne is failing and you guys are going to waste another day trying to lynch me when I have told you all and king has confirmed that I can't die during the day.

I honestly do not believe that it is going to happen again tomorrow. I suspect that the emperor will be dead in a few more turns either way, so it probably doesn't matter anyway. I doubt we would be able to kill the chaos tomorrow, even if you all didn't vote for me.

King didn't quite confirm that.

[Mustang]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Is anyone else uncomfortable with the way the Swaggs thing went down tonight?

Nope, it is what you guys should have done several days ago.

Everything I've said has pretty much come true so..

At first, when I was told I was a chaos acolyte and I found a way to extend life by becoming a ghost, I was confused as hell as to why in the world I would become a ghost upon death.. if I was confirmed as chaos, what good would it be to be a ghost.. not a damn person would believe me. Well, guess I found out. Make me chaos, turn me to good, kill me after I say I was now good and then don't confirm what I am.

Tangle knew that I'd just say Swaggs was Chaos and half would believe me and the other half wouldn't so.. bravo to him for seeing this coming.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Mustang

At first, when I was told I was a chaos acolyte and I found a way to extend life by becoming a ghost, I was confused as hell as to why in the world I would become a ghost upon death.. if I was confirmed as chaos, what good would it be to be a ghost.. not a damn person would believe me. Well, guess I found out. Make me chaos, turn me to good, kill me after I say I was now good and then don't confirm what I am.

Tangle knew that I'd just say Swaggs was Chaos and half would believe me and the other half wouldn't so.. bravo to him for seeing this coming.

Im willing to bet you found a way to be a ghost at least 1 night before you were converted good, and i highly doubt grey(who openly said he did something every night) was building up some conversion on you. So you were a ghost before tangle knew grey would visit. Either your lying, or drawing the wrong conclusions, as something in your story doesnt add up...

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Im willing to bet you found a way to be a ghost at least 1 night before you were converted good, and i highly doubt grey(who openly said he did something every night) was building up some conversion on you. So you were a ghost before tangle knew grey would visit. Either your lying, or drawing the wrong conclusions, as something in your story doesnt add up...

I think I read that differently than you did. It sounds to me like he always knew that he would become a ghost, but that it would be pointless since chances were good that he'd be identified as Chaos before becoming a ghost. Having everyone know that he was Chaos and a ghost would make him pretty useless. The fun part (if everyone is to be believed) is that many of the people that could identify him as being Chaos would also convert him from Chaos, making his status questionable and still an interesting part of the game.

[tanglewood]

Well, everything as turned out okay and I will be able to continue in my GM capacity. Thanks to Hoopsguy for standing by in any case. The results of the night are coming shortly.

[hoopsguy]

And I had a very sinister write-up prepared, full of mystery and intrigue. Oh well, another time

[Alan T]

Drats. I had just convinced Hoops to let me come back as Count Chocula too

[tanglewood]

You awake with fear and dread for what may come. It appears the health of the Emperor is of serious concern, alhough his closest servants would of course never utter such blasphemous thoughts, but for now it appears he is stable. Once again in the first meeting of the day it appears you are one short. Chief Rum is found lying in his bed in a most terrified pose, his leg ripped from his torso and his throat slashed wide open. Most noticabley however is his third eye protruting from the left side of his head. You wonder how he kept it s expertly hidden and some almst seems thankfull that the Chaos have destroyed such a desecration of a being.

[tanglewood]

Today's deadline is still 9PM EST, though if there is clear majority who want an accelerated day today, as some suggested last night, then that can be done.

[GoldenEagle]

I viewed king last night. I think he might have some sort of anti-seer speciality. Anyway, at the end of the night I had to concede that he was not chaos.

[GoldenEagle]

Dola,

Why did Swaggs and co. take out Chief Rum?

[BrianD]

I think I'm pretty much convinced to go with one my lynching of Swaggs to see prove once and for all which side Mustang was on. Anyone else have any different thoughts? GE, Saldana, either of you get any useful information last night?

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Dola,

Why did Swaggs and co. take out Chief Rum?

Did he have the ability to clone just one person, or could he have done more?

[GoldenEagle]

The only information I got was on kingfc.

So if we can not lynch Swaggs and our assassin is dead are we just screwed?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by BrianD

Did he have the ability to clone just one person, or could he have done more?

Should be one time...it took him 3 nights to clone me, i cant imagine he had another one coming.

Odd, i didnt have him pegged as a mutant. Thanks chaos i guess...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

The only information I got was on kingfc.

So if we can not lynch Swaggs and our assassin is dead are we just screwed?

I think we have to try again today, but if we cant do it today then there is another route were missing.

Is it possible he cant be lynched until all of his acolytes are dead? Might be an option if there are 2 left.

[BrianD]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I think we have to try again today, but if we cant do it today then there is another route were missing.

Is it possible he cant be lynched until all of his acolytes are dead? Might be an option if there are 2 left.

I agree that we should lynch again today. If that doesn't work, I'm not really sure what we should do, but following Mustang and lynching Swaggs seems like the best option. At least that is one thing we know should work, and we can re-evaluate if it doesn't work.

[BrianD]

To make it official

Vote Swaggs

[Blade6119]

VOTE SWAGGS

[GoldenEagle]

Vote Swaggs

[Blade6119]

alright king, who did you scan?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

I viewed king last night. I think he might have some sort of anti-seer speciality. Anyway, at the end of the night I had to concede that he was not chaos.

Did that not worry anyone else?

[kingfc22]

Vote SWAGGSI'm on my phone and can't bold this so I hope it counts.I scanned chief rum last night and he is what he said. He can clone someone.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Vote SWAGGSI'm on my phone and can't bold this so I hope it counts.I scanned chief rum last night and he is what he said. He can clone someone.

that was not a helpful scan...GE had just cleared him, i had just cleared him, and oh ya, hes dead..he was a mutant though, but overall your still my #2 behind swaggs right now...if he doesnt die today, im going to come after you

[Blade6119]

Dola, and can saldana tell us more about his visions lately...havent heared him help in awhile in that regard

[Fouts]

vote swaggs

I'm spent.

[Swaggs]

Vote King

[Swaggs]

What's the plan for the weekend?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

What's the plan for the weekend?

Are you expecting to be around for it?

[saldana]

sorry to be away all day...in the middle of working another double shift and this is my first chance to really catch up.

i had no visions at all last night...i actually pm'ed tangle earlier in the day because i didnt even get a message, but last night, i saw nothing.

i havent really had anything revealing since the mustang vision, other than the fact that i saw GE each night during his viewing. sometimes i only saw him, sometimes i saw who he was looking at, sometimes both at once, which is how i was able to say yesterday that his list was the same as mine.

wish i had more today, but like i said, i didnt even get my special non game related vision last night ( to tangle)

vote swaggs

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

sorry to be away all day...in the middle of working another double shift and this is my first chance to really catch up.

i had no visions at all last night...i actually pm'ed tangle earlier in the day because i didnt even get a message, but last night, i saw nothing.

i havent really had anything revealing since the mustang vision, other than the fact that i saw GE each night during his viewing. sometimes i only saw him, sometimes i saw who he was looking at, sometimes both at once, which is how i was able to say yesterday that his list was the same as mine.

wish i had more today, but like i said, i didnt even get my special non game related vision last night ( to tangle)

vote swaggs

.....anyone else getting worried?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

.....anyone else getting worried?

about what?

i have no control over my visions, so if you are inferring that i am intentionally not seeing anything, that is incorrect. if you are inferring that i am intentionally withholding anything, that too, is incorrect. if you are inferring that i am not still on the side of the Imperium, you would be once again, incorrect.


(see that blade, i preemptively called you a liar 3 times without actually calling you a liar )

[saldana]

(dola, or you actually lying )

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by saldana

about what?

i have no control over my visions, so if you are inferring that i am intentionally not seeing anything, that is incorrect. if you are inferring that i am intentionally withholding anything, that too, is incorrect. if you are inferring that i am not still on the side of the Imperium, you would be once again, incorrect.


(see that blade, i preemptively called you a liar 3 times without actually calling you a liar )

Im glad, last time when you did call me a liar quite a few times you were utterly and totally wrong. I have never thought you were a villager, always a mutant, but the fact you no longer claim visions worries me. You say you always saw GE's scans, but he claims he scanned last night...king now might have an anti-seer role, and he goes off and scans the one person that was most trusted to me.

A lot of pieces are just not adding up, or i should say, adding up for people to be good. This is one hell of a game, i am totally lost as to whats what anymore.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Are you expecting to be around for it?

Unless I get killed next night action.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Unless I get killed next night action.

So do you want to quickly rehash your role powers for me...just so i understand again.

[Swaggs]

I am genetically cursed and, therefore, am abnormal (I've volunteered this before it was confirmed). My night action is to research my curse. I found out that two roles could help me, if I survived to the end with them. Alan could cleanse my soul. Fouts' family has an artifact (later found out to be a spear) that can curb, but not cure, my curse. I cannot be killed during the daytime.

What else do you want to know?

[Swaggs]

and, it is my opinion that Mustang was on a team with someone that knew that I could not be killed. They got close to winning or figured out that killing st. cronin would eventually win the game for them, and decided to trick you guys into lynching me for two straight, wasted days.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am genetically cursed and, therefore, am abnormal (I've volunteered this before it was confirmed). My night action is to research my curse. I found out that two roles could help me, if I survived to the end with them. Alan could cleanse my soul. Fouts' family has an artifact (later found out to be a spear) that can curb, but not cure, my curse. I cannot be killed during the daytime.

What else do you want to know?

So what have you done the past few nights, since all that info was from a few days ago

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am genetically cursed and, therefore, am abnormal (I've volunteered this before it was confirmed). My night action is to research my curse. I found out that two roles could help me, if I survived to the end with them. Alan could cleanse my soul. Fouts' family has an artifact (later found out to be a spear) that can curb, but not cure, my curse. I cannot be killed during the daytime.

What else do you want to know?

see, my problem with this role is.....how does it relate to the game...what do contribute to the imperium...as far as i can see, being able to research your family curse if pretty damn useless in the fight against the chaos...this role has no abilities, has no apparent purpose, and makes no contributions...considering that EVERYONE else has some sort of contributory role in this game, it just doesnt add up that yours is to basically spank it each night without doing anything for the team.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

and, it is my opinion that Mustang was on a team with someone that knew that I could not be killed. They got close to winning or figured out that killing st. cronin would eventually win the game for them, and decided to trick you guys into lynching me for two straight, wasted days.

Maybe now people will give me credit for picking bullet over st.cronin.

[Fouts]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I am genetically cursed and, therefore, am abnormal (I've volunteered this before it was confirmed). My night action is to research my curse. I found out that two roles could help me, if I survived to the end with them. Alan could cleanse my soul. Fouts' family has an artifact (later found out to be a spear) that can curb, but not cure, my curse. I cannot be killed during the daytime.

What else do you want to know?

I can't believe your story, because I know nothing about an artifact or spear.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by saldana

see, my problem with this role is.....how does it relate to the game...what do contribute to the imperium...as far as i can see, being able to research your family curse if pretty damn useless in the fight against the chaos...this role has no abilities, has no apparent purpose, and makes no contributions...considering that EVERYONE else has some sort of contributory role in this game, it just doesnt add up that yours is to basically spank it each night without doing anything for the team.

I have the potential to be a swing player if Fouts and Alan die.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I have the potential to be a swing player if Fouts and Alan die.

So alan's dead..your telling us not to kill fouts or you go evil?

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

So alan's dead..your telling us not to kill fouts or you go evil?

The curse will take over, from what I can tell.

Also, from a gameplaying standpoint, I am a nightmare for seers b/c I am abnormal, yet a loyal human. A pretty nice little role (thanks Tangle ).

[Swaggs]

If anyone else has anything for me, let me know soon. I'm going to be watching the Steelers in a bit.

Otherwise, I'll see you after the lynching. Hope my neck doesn't damage the executioner's axe.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Fouts

I can't believe your story, because I know nothing about an artifact or spear.

It was in your ancestor's possession. Earlier, I thought you might have known about it, but I now think that it was just to give me a reason to try and keep you alive. Same with Alan being able to cleanse my soul.

[Blade6119]

Anyone else think we should kill fouts so we can kill swaggsy?