Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - Page 5

stevew · 03-31-2009, 01:11 AM

They've really lost me with this show, I guess it's on Friday's now. I still watch it when it's recorded, but I'm really losing interest. I shouldn't be surprised it got old fast, but I think the quality is noticeably poorer. Too much of the weekly random element, and back from the future flashback stories. Plus the girlfriend was from the future, that's kind of stupid.

DanGarion · 03-31-2009, 01:23 AM

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They've really lost me with this show, I guess it's on Friday's now. I still watch it when it's recorded, but I'm really losing interest. I shouldn't be surprised it got old fast, but I think the quality is noticeably poorer. Too much of the weekly random element, and back from the future flashback stories. Plus the girlfriend was from the future, that's kind of stupid.

Wow I thought the show has been pretty good. A little slow at times. But it can't always be action action action. The girlfriend thing made sense if you saw all the episodes IMO.

DaddyTorgo · 03-31-2009, 01:33 AM

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Wow I thought the show has been pretty good. A little slow at times. But it can't always be action action action. The girlfriend thing made sense if you saw all the episodes IMO.

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I'm enjoying it. I like the future flash-forwards - it's a good way of drawing parallels and expanding the universe and stuff. And the GF being from the future made total sense. I'm a bit surprised I didn't suspect it earlier to be honest.

stevew · 03-31-2009, 02:37 AM

I may have missed 3-4 episodes then, cause it was definitely a wtf moment for me.

DaddyTorgo · 03-31-2009, 08:35 AM

you did miss it then stevew. there was a point where the GF and Jessie had a confrontation in the hotel room episodes before her death. essentially Jessie brought the GF back to befriend John and keep Cameron away from him and the GF was starting to crack. We've known the GF was from the future for a little bit, but they haven't necessarily been hinting it hard on the show so if you missed one episode and maybe turned away at one other point for 30 seconds you would have missed it

MikeVic · 03-31-2009, 10:52 AM

Still one of my favourite shows, and I thought the last few episodes have been great. I like the story a lot.

sterlingice · 03-31-2009, 11:26 AM

Yeah, I completely disagree. Maybe my favorite show at the moment- I'm going to be really disappointed when it gets cancelled. It's a very smart show, well acted for a tv show- who'd have thought Brian Austin Green would resurrect his career here, and I really like almost all of the storylines they have going at the moment. It's really hard to do time travel right and they haven't screwed up yet. It fells like the spiritual successor to T2 and been infinitely better than T3.

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sterlingice · 04-05-2009, 12:29 PM

Something this week was very anti-climactic (and somewhat disappointing in that regard) and this is kindof the second time in two weeks that they've done that.

The rest of the episode, it could be that they're hitting the "scramble" button to shake everything up again but previews for next week's season (probably series) finale look like they're going to make it more simple.

What Weaver was talking about with Ellison in the elevator make me really curious what they were going to do with the show and that much more irritated that we probably won't find out.

SI

Tigercat · 04-05-2009, 12:40 PM

Yea, both subtractions were a bit strange.

I think I have a pretty good idea about where they are going:

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Galaril · 04-05-2009, 12:51 PM

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Something this week was very anti-climactic (and somewhat disappointing in that regard) and this is kindof the second time in two weeks that they've done that.

The rest of the episode, it could be that they're hitting the "scramble" button to shake everything up again but previews for next week's season (probably series) finale look like they're going to make it more simple.

What Weaver was talking about with Ellison in the elevator make me really curious what they were going to do with the show and that much more irritated that we probably won't find out.

SI

I have seen others note this as well has it been confirmed that the show is cancelled after this season? It would be too bad to get rid of this in favor of Doll House what a oiece of skank laden trash.

sterlingice · 04-05-2009, 12:52 PM

Tigercat-

I think you're pretty much right with the spoiler tagged material- that's what my wife and I were thinking, too. That said, there's room to go with that even. If you've ever read "I, Robot" (no, not the Will Smith movie which references the name and that's about it)- the paradox is simple in that humans essentially have to be protected from themselves.

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DaddyTorgo · 04-05-2009, 01:45 PM

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I have seen others note this as well has it been confirmed that the show is cancelled after this season? It would be too bad to get rid of this in favor of Doll House what a oiece of skank laden trash.

no it hasn't been confirmed. people are just expecting this to happen.

i missed friday's episode (asleep with a headache). i need to watch it online here in a few

DaddyTorgo · 04-05-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tigercat

Yea, both subtractions were a bit strange.

I think I have a pretty good idea about where they are going:

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i like this idea - i've got no problem with it

sterlingice · 04-05-2009, 01:49 PM

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no it hasn't been confirmed. people are just expecting this to happen.

i missed friday's episode (asleep with a headache). i need to watch it online here in a few

It hasn't been confirmed but it's been getting pretty bad ratings. Tv.com is claiming that the decision hinges on how well Terminator: Salvation does. Seems kindof silly to me since TSCC disavows the existence of the T3/T4 time line but whatever. Anything to get another season or so out of this show would be good with me.

SI

DaddyTorgo · 04-05-2009, 02:13 PM

my only thought about the spoiler-tagged thought is that if that was the case then why have the present-day-liquid killing the worker in the bathroom and all?

Tigercat · 04-05-2009, 03:28 PM

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my only thought about the spoiler-tagged thought is that if that was the case then why have the present-day-liquid killing the worker in the bathroom and all?

All terminators have shown that they will kill to get their way. See: Cameron being "good" but not afraid to kill individuals and the captain of the sub. If the liquid is some kind of "good," the bigger question is about the mass killing at the factory. In that case I am wondering if the factory wasn't discovered by the other faction, and that's why she felt the need to go Rambo on it. When John Henry picked up the transmission that the factory had been compromised, she might suspected correctly that the other faction was involved. (It looked like the security guy that kidnapped Sarah was working for a team that wasn't associated with her company. At least that's the impression that I got.)

DaddyTorgo · 04-05-2009, 03:30 PM

good point tigercat...and that was sorta the same conclusion i came to after finishing watching the episode.

agree that that's definately the way they're going with it - surprised about the end of the episode this week

revrew · 04-05-2009, 05:18 PM

I'm wondering (after the liquid on submarine episode), if I'm forgetting something from the T2/T3 movies. I was under the impression the liquid was just a more advanced form of Terminator, developed by the machines. This discussion of the SCC liquid being possibly altruistic and/or competing with the machines seems odd. If my previously stated assumption holds, wouldn't the SCC liquid have the same motives as the other Terminators: protect Skynet's development?

sterlingice · 04-05-2009, 07:25 PM

I think of it more like the Matrix. Maybe there's not all harmony in the robot camp- we just don't see it from the random bots sent back to kill John. Some robots have their "own" interests like the Oracle or Merovingian in the Matrix

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Tigercat · 04-05-2009, 11:22 PM

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I'm wondering (after the liquid on submarine episode), if I'm forgetting something from the T2/T3 movies. I was under the impression the liquid was just a more advanced form of Terminator, developed by the machines. This discussion of the SCC liquid being possibly altruistic and/or competing with the machines seems odd. If my previously stated assumption holds, wouldn't the SCC liquid have the same motives as the other Terminators: protect Skynet's development?

That would have been the assumption before the show for sure. But the whole sub episode seems to hint that there are factions. (The terminator trying to kidnap the liquid's "child" adds to that possibility too obviously.) How a splinter faction may have formed, who knows. Maybe certain models of individual terminators evolved beyond the programing of skynet? I think Arnold and Cameron have shown that terminators under the right circumstances can act beyond being closed circuited sentinels. Maybe they saw the scorched earth around them, and find the choices that were made by skynet illogical. Maybe future Connor found a way to start the insurrection. (Virus or hacking on terminators not under his control to get them to think independent of skynet?)

stevew · 04-06-2009, 09:16 AM

Surprised to see them whack David Silver like that. I need to rewatch the episodes I missed. Not sure how cromartie switched to John Henry.

DaddyTorgo · 04-10-2009, 09:16 PM

WOW. that was pretty cool when they came face-to-face with the liquid. i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing. one hell of a mindfuck in the last 5 minutes

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Cork · 04-10-2009, 11:06 PM

What an awesome season finale. I really really hope they bring this show back. It would be a shame to pull the plug now.

-Cork

stevew · 04-11-2009, 12:11 AM

Why are we spoiler tagging shows that have already aired?

Tigercat · 04-11-2009, 03:29 PM

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i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing.

Disturbing. John seemed to be turned on by the fact that he was skin to skin with her and he had his hand in her metal parts. But I guess when your major daddy figure growing up was metal, your idea about intimacy with robots gets kinda skewed.

I am sure they would explain it more later, but I found Sarah not wanting to follow John way out of character, and hard to believe a legit reasoning for it. Her first instinct is always to protect him, and she just didn't have time to decide that he may be better off without her in this specific instant. Hell, she didn't have enough information on what was going on to make that kind of decision.

But anyway, a good finale. Would be interesting to see how well they could do a terminator future storyline on a TV budget.

MikeVic · 04-11-2009, 08:06 PM

Holy crap they better not cancel this series. Great finale!

DanGarion · 04-12-2009, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

WOW. that was pretty cool when they came face-to-face with the liquid. i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing. one hell of a mindfuck in the last 5 minutes

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Well you have to remember because he went into the future he technically doesn't exist in this timeline now...

DaddyTorgo · 04-12-2009, 02:12 AM

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Well you have to remember because he went into the future he technically doesn't exist in this timeline now...

right

Tigercat · 04-12-2009, 03:05 AM

Its something I always thought about with forward time travel, shouldn't every future time travel trip look like that? You are taking yourself out of the equation for the future if you go forward in time; you move forward in time with your body and mind and there is nothing that stays behind in the present to age into the future.

Seems like you should never run into your future self when time traveling.

DanGarion · 04-12-2009, 03:07 AM

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Its something I always thought about with forward time travel, shouldn't every future time travel trip look like that? You are taking yourself out of the equation for the future if you go forward in time; you move forward in time with your body and mind and there is nothing that stays behind in the present to age into the future.

Seems like you should never run into your future self when time traveling.

Exactly!

sterlingice · 04-13-2009, 01:11 AM

Just caught up on the finale on DVR tonight.

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-My biggest thought is this: Was this a case of "we knew we were getting cancelled so we threw some crap together to end the season/series" or was there an actual plan there to continue this storyline? I hope it was the latter because the former is what killed The X-Files. They did that 2 or 3 seasons in a row and just wrote themselves into such a corner they could never recover. Then again, we all know there's not a great chance it comes back so maybe they were just trying to throw fans a bone.

-If they continued on, they really only have one option I can see. Due to tv budget constraints, we get some low budget future scenes like some of the Derek or Jesse stuff where they're contained in a small environment that is cheap to film in. The Weaver/Connor/John Henry future storyline goes on for a few episodes while we get a little Sarah/Ellison current plotline of looking for John Henry's brother/Skynet. Then they converge back. This isn't an ensemble show with a large cast, especially now in the present with Cameron out of commission and Derek dead- I still don't get why they did that since Brian Austin Green is still under contract for the show and obviously in the future storyline- so you can't leave them split up for too long. Plus, if you make this too futuristic and not "grounded enough to modern reality", you're going to alienate any mainstream audience you have. Then again, it's not like they're drawing a big mainsteam audience as is, looking at the numbers.

-For anyone who saw the pretty much awful show that was Enterprise, they were uncharacteristically good with picking up good buzzwords or concepts. Their big problem was that they never had anywhere near the writing talent to flesh out the good ideas they hit upon so the good ideas came off flat. Their largest story arc for the first three seasons, until they hastily killed it off at the end of their mock-DS9 story line that ended season 3, was the "Temporal Cold War" which sounds cool and scary but they never could elaborate on the concept at all. This show feels like a Temporal War- you have both sides sending things back and forth through time like some crazy 4D chess match. While going with alternate universes makes time travel plots easier to write than the one continuum theory where you have to have all of your moves written in advance and reveal them to the viewer slowly, this still takes a lot of writing skill to do well and they have been up to the task so far.

-I agree with the comment about Sarah not going with John. That seems out of character- either she would join or, more likely, she would stop him from going with the T-1000. She's not exactly trusting of the machines.

-The John-Cameron "see if I'm working scene was just silly. I expect more from the writers of this show.

-I loved the little bit of freeze frame fun with the eel being a part of Weaver. That was awesome!

-When I went to look up something just now, TSCC was the #1 show on tv.com. I don't think I could reiterate this enough: I would just love for this to come back. Again, I think it might be my favorite right now on tv and it's definitely one of the smartest mainstream shows out there.

SI

DaddyTorgo · 04-13-2009, 08:43 AM

-I hope they have a plan to keep it going and they didn't write themselves into a corner. I'm somewhat sure that they have a plan - maybe we'll see an interview where someone asks them that. If not, well they gave a hell of a "fuck you" to Fox for canceling them.

-I agree with your thoughts on the future direction of the plotlines if things go forward. If the show gets renewed then the liquid+john pickup Derek & Cameron in the future and bring them back to the present day.

-As far as the abomination that was Enterprise's "Temporal Cold War" storyline - that shit killed the show for me pretty much.

-The reveal of Weaver definately lived up to my expectations, in a major way. I was literally sitting in front of the tv whooping and bouncing.

sterlingice · 04-13-2009, 10:21 AM

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-As far as the abomination that was Enterprise's "Temporal Cold War" storyline - that shit killed the show for me pretty much.

Enterprise had so much potential as an idea, but, again, they had nowhere near the caliber of writers to pull it off. They would occasionally come across some great ideas for plots but could never execute them. A time war would have been a great idea and here we're essentially seeing that in TSCC. There, they just mentioned it a couple of times "because it sounded cool" and didn't do anything good with the idea.

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DaddyTorgo · 04-13-2009, 10:30 AM

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Enterprise had so much potential as an idea, but, again, they had nowhere near the caliber of writers to pull it off. They would occasionally come across some great ideas for plots but could never execute them. A time war would have been a great idea and here we're essentially seeing that in TSCC. There, they just mentioned it a couple of times "because it sounded cool" and didn't do anything good with the idea.

SI

Oh I know. Count me as one who was hugely excited for the premise of Enterprise - humanity venturing out into space...I really thought it had the potential to be amazing and very insightful.

Problem was "Temporal Cold War" sounded cool so they shifted the whole focus to that, and then inserted the Suliban and the Xindi and their whole attack on Earth and it just became...stupid. When you have to resort to a line of thinking involving alternate realities to explain we wouldn't have heard of any of these things in any of the other televised incarnations of the franchise it's a huge problem IMO. Because then you're forcing your viewers to make implicit value judgements on which reality they prefer. And obviously in that instance when you're 1 series going up against 4 series you're going to lose.

The episodes of Enterprise that I enoy were the ones that have no mention of the fucking Xindi or the Expanse, or the Temporal Cold War or the Suliban. The episodes I enjoyed were the ones that were either self-contained and not dealing with those things - mysteries on planets or in space, or that gave us looks at Klingons/Vulcans/Andorians/Tellerites/etc in new ways. I also thought (personal nitpick) that they made the humans way too comfortable around the more advanced technology of some of the other races. Would have loved the reactions to be more "awe" than "ho hum".

sterlingice · 04-13-2009, 10:42 AM

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Oh I know. Count me as one who was hugely excited for the premise of Enterprise - humanity venturing out into space...I really thought it had the potential to be amazing and very insightful.

Problem was "Temporal Cold War" sounded cool so they shifted the whole focus to that, and then inserted the Suliban and the Xindi and their whole attack on Earth and it just became...stupid. When you have to resort to a line of thinking involving alternate realities to explain we wouldn't have heard of any of these things in any of the other televised incarnations of the franchise it's a huge problem IMO. Because then you're forcing your viewers to make implicit value judgements on which reality they prefer. And obviously in that instance when you're 1 series going up against 4 series you're going to lose.

The episodes of Enterprise that I enoy were the ones that have no mention of the fucking Xindi or the Expanse, or the Temporal Cold War or the Suliban. The episodes I enjoyed were the ones that were either self-contained and not dealing with those things - mysteries on planets or in space, or that gave us looks at Klingons/Vulcans/Andorians/Tellerites/etc in new ways. I also thought (personal nitpick) that they made the humans way too comfortable around the more advanced technology of some of the other races. Would have loved the reactions to be more "awe" than "ho hum".

If you could have just kept the awe factor up, it would have been a big step in the right direction. I mean, geez- it's the first time humans have really gotten anywhere in space. It should be amazing and awe inspiring and be more of a drama that tugs at those angels of our better nature, those things that want us to succeed as humanity. Instead, it was pulpy sci-fi that was on after rasslin' on a network that no longer exists.

The Xindi plot was basically recycled DS9 Dominion War plots without good writing while the Expanse crap- wasn't there something like that in Voyager (which wasn't very good either so why are you copying from that?!?)

Anyways, we're way off track. Here's to hoping T4 gets $100M its first weekend (it won't) and they'll bring back the show on the spot for next season (hooray!)

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MikeVic · 04-15-2009, 10:49 AM

No More Terminator On TV

Hopefully this isn't a true report.

gi · 04-15-2009, 11:25 AM

Hearing a lot of rumors that it's a done deal. It's gone

sterlingice · 04-15-2009, 11:28 AM

Most out there right now are your typical internet echo chamber. They're almost all based on the EW story and quoting the EW story and have no sources of their own. I'd like to see something a little bit more concrete but, as we've been saying for months, it doesn't look good.

I doubt Fox will say anything official until after T4 comes out.

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MikeVic · 04-15-2009, 11:33 AM

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Most out there right now are your typical internet echo chamber. They're almost all based on the EW story and quoting the EW story and have no sources of their own. I'd like to see something a little bit more concrete but, as we've been saying for months, it doesn't look good.

I doubt Fox will say anything official until after T4 comes out.

SI

In the EW article, a Fox execute said the fall schedule will be announced May 18th... which is three days before the movie even premieres. So I don't think they'll be looking at the movie, as stupid as that sounds...

duckman · 05-18-2009, 06:05 PM

SCC is no more...

hxxp://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/05/18/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-and-what-might-have-been/

MikeVic · 05-18-2009, 06:15 PM

Surtt · 05-18-2009, 06:33 PM

Fox entertainment president Kevin Reilly had this to say about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles at a press conference:

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[Sarah Connor] has completed its run. I think it had a nice little run. It was a good show. It was not an either or [with Dollhouse]. We did see it tailing off a bit [in the ratings]. It had a nice creative core, but, ultimately, we made the bet on Dollhouse, so that's it for [Sarah Connor]... We make no apologies. We gave it a lot of support and some consistent scheduling. We tried and thought it was time to move on.

They can't keep their story straight for 3 sentences.

JediKooter · 05-18-2009, 06:36 PM

RIP...

Getting sent to Friday nights is the kiss of death.

sterlingice · 05-18-2009, 07:38 PM

Dang- again, maybe had become my favorite show. I was a little hopeful since stuff that really didn't have much of a shot had been getting renewed like Dollhouse and Chuck but I also had a feeling in the back of my mind that this would be the one exception even tho it didn't make much sense.

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DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 07:43 PM

*scared to see why this was bumped*

DaddyTorgo · 05-18-2009, 07:46 PM

gah. sadness

and wait - you made the bet on DOLLHOUSE??? REALLY!?!?! DOLLHOUSE?!?!?!

*sighs*

ISiddiqui · 05-18-2009, 07:49 PM

As I said in the other thread... SCC has had more than one season.

And do not underestimate the power of Whedon fans. They will hype this up beyond all reckoning (though I do like the show) and watching 10 billion times on Hulu or DVD (or both).

Marc Vaughan · 05-18-2009, 07:59 PM

Can't believe this has been canned - especially not with the movie onroute .... just on the back of that it'd get great viewing/DVD sales I'd expect (especially if they managed to tie the storyline into the movie somehow).

Galaril · 05-18-2009, 08:36 PM

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gah. sadness

and wait - you made the bet on DOLLHOUSE??? REALLY!?!?! DOLLHOUSE?!?!?!

*sighs*

Yeah, I know I watch five minutes of dollhouse and was done.

Travis · 05-18-2009, 08:46 PM

I had hoped both Dollhouse and SCC would make it to next season. As it is I'm glad it appears we'll get one, but still too bad SCC had to be lost. Especially with how many new reality shows will likely be coming out.

03-31-2009, 11:26 AM	#207
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Yeah, I completely disagree. Maybe my favorite show at the moment- I'm going to be really disappointed when it gets cancelled. It's a very smart show, well acted for a tv show- who'd have thought Brian Austin Green would resurrect his career here, and I really like almost all of the storylines they have going at the moment. It's really hard to do time travel right and they haven't screwed up yet. It fells like the spiritual successor to T2 and been infinitely better than T3. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-05-2009, 12:29 PM	#208
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Something this week was very anti-climactic (and somewhat disappointing in that regard) and this is kindof the second time in two weeks that they've done that. The rest of the episode, it could be that they're hitting the "scramble" button to shake everything up again but previews for next week's season (probably series) finale look like they're going to make it more simple. What Weaver was talking about with Ellison in the elevator make me really curious what they were going to do with the show and that much more irritated that we probably won't find out. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 04-05-2009 at 12:29 PM.

04-05-2009, 12:40 PM	#209
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Yea, both subtractions were a bit strange. I think I have a pretty good idea about where they are going: Spoiler although I could be wrong... I think female liquid terminator in the present was the same liquid terminator in the future that the sub crew retrieved. I think she is part of a group of machines that oppose the annihilation of humans. So after she (or her group if shes not the same exact liquid) turned down working directly with Conner in the future, she was sent in the past to build a skynet that doesn't decide to initiate judgment day. That's why she is trying to give John Henry morals. The other AI is the classic doomsday-skynet in training, which also appears to have some terminators guarding it. Last edited by Tigercat : 04-05-2009 at 12:41 PM.

04-05-2009, 12:52 PM	#211
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Tigercat- I think you're pretty much right with the spoiler tagged material- that's what my wife and I were thinking, too. That said, there's room to go with that even. If you've ever read "I, Robot" (no, not the Will Smith movie which references the name and that's about it)- the paradox is simple in that humans essentially have to be protected from themselves. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 04-05-2009 at 12:52 PM.

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revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	I'm wondering (after the liquid on submarine episode), if I'm forgetting something from the T2/T3 movies. I was under the impression the liquid was just a more advanced form of Terminator, developed by the machines. This discussion of the SCC liquid being possibly altruistic and/or competing with the machines seems odd. If my previously stated assumption holds, wouldn't the SCC liquid have the same motives as the other Terminators: protect Skynet's development? __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference.

03-31-2009, 01:11 AM	#201
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	They've really lost me with this show, I guess it's on Friday's now. I still watch it when it's recorded, but I'm really losing interest. I shouldn't be surprised it got old fast, but I think the quality is noticeably poorer. Too much of the weekly random element, and back from the future flashback stories. Plus the girlfriend was from the future, that's kind of stupid.

03-31-2009, 02:37 AM	#204
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I may have missed 3-4 episodes then, cause it was definitely a wtf moment for me.

03-31-2009, 08:35 AM	#205
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	you did miss it then stevew. there was a point where the GF and Jessie had a confrontation in the hotel room episodes before her death. essentially Jessie brought the GF back to befriend John and keep Cameron away from him and the GF was starting to crack. We've known the GF was from the future for a little bit, but they haven't necessarily been hinting it hard on the show so if you missed one episode and maybe turned away at one other point for 30 seconds you would have missed it

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MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Still one of my favourite shows, and I thought the last few episodes have been great. I like the story a lot.

04-05-2009, 02:13 PM	#215
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	my only thought about the spoiler-tagged thought is that if that was the case then why have the present-day-liquid killing the worker in the bathroom and all?

04-05-2009, 03:30 PM	#217
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	good point tigercat...and that was sorta the same conclusion i came to after finishing watching the episode. agree that that's definately the way they're going with it - surprised about the end of the episode this week

04-05-2009, 07:25 PM	#219
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I think of it more like the Matrix. Maybe there's not all harmony in the robot camp- we just don't see it from the random bots sent back to kill John. Some robots have their "own" interests like the Oracle or Merovingian in the Matrix SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

04-06-2009, 09:16 AM	#221
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Surprised to see them whack David Silver like that. I need to rewatch the episodes I missed. Not sure how cromartie switched to John Henry.

04-10-2009, 09:16 PM	#222
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	WOW. that was pretty cool when they came face-to-face with the liquid. i found the whole john-cameron "check if i'm functioning right" thing to be fairly blatant in its sexual-innuendo and sort of disturbing. one hell of a mindfuck in the last 5 minutes Spoiler with the whole cameron giving her chip to john henry and john henry dissapearing (in time?), and then the liquid taking John into the future and now what...he's not the salvation anymore? definately either a) a good end to the series or b) a hell of a "you better bring us back so we can fix this network" type of cliffhanger

04-10-2009, 11:06 PM	#223
Cork H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Wisconsin	What an awesome season finale. I really really hope they bring this show back. It would be a shame to pull the plug now. -Cork

04-11-2009, 12:11 AM	#224
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Why are we spoiler tagging shows that have already aired?

04-11-2009, 08:06 PM	#226
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Holy crap they better not cancel this series. Great finale!

04-12-2009, 03:05 AM	#229
Tigercat College Starter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Federal Way, WA	Its something I always thought about with forward time travel, shouldn't every future time travel trip look like that? You are taking yourself out of the equation for the future if you go forward in time; you move forward in time with your body and mind and there is nothing that stays behind in the present to age into the future. Seems like you should never run into your future self when time traveling.

04-13-2009, 01:11 AM	#231
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Just caught up on the finale on DVR tonight. Spoiler -My biggest thought is this: Was this a case of "we knew we were getting cancelled so we threw some crap together to end the season/series" or was there an actual plan there to continue this storyline? I hope it was the latter because the former is what killed The X-Files. They did that 2 or 3 seasons in a row and just wrote themselves into such a corner they could never recover. Then again, we all know there's not a great chance it comes back so maybe they were just trying to throw fans a bone. -If they continued on, they really only have one option I can see. Due to tv budget constraints, we get some low budget future scenes like some of the Derek or Jesse stuff where they're contained in a small environment that is cheap to film in. The Weaver/Connor/John Henry future storyline goes on for a few episodes while we get a little Sarah/Ellison current plotline of looking for John Henry's brother/Skynet. Then they converge back. This isn't an ensemble show with a large cast, especially now in the present with Cameron out of commission and Derek dead- I still don't get why they did that since Brian Austin Green is still under contract for the show and obviously in the future storyline- so you can't leave them split up for too long. Plus, if you make this too futuristic and not "grounded enough to modern reality", you're going to alienate any mainstream audience you have. Then again, it's not like they're drawing a big mainsteam audience as is, looking at the numbers. -For anyone who saw the pretty much awful show that was Enterprise, they were uncharacteristically good with picking up good buzzwords or concepts. Their big problem was that they never had anywhere near the writing talent to flesh out the good ideas they hit upon so the good ideas came off flat. Their largest story arc for the first three seasons, until they hastily killed it off at the end of their mock-DS9 story line that ended season 3, was the "Temporal Cold War" which sounds cool and scary but they never could elaborate on the concept at all. This show feels like a Temporal War- you have both sides sending things back and forth through time like some crazy 4D chess match. While going with alternate universes makes time travel plots easier to write than the one continuum theory where you have to have all of your moves written in advance and reveal them to the viewer slowly, this still takes a lot of writing skill to do well and they have been up to the task so far. -I agree with the comment about Sarah not going with John. That seems out of character- either she would join or, more likely, she would stop him from going with the T-1000. She's not exactly trusting of the machines. -The John-Cameron "see if I'm working scene was just silly. I expect more from the writers of this show. -I loved the little bit of freeze frame fun with the eel being a part of Weaver. That was awesome! -When I went to look up something just now, TSCC was the #1 show on tv.com. I don't think I could reiterate this enough: I would just love for this to come back. Again, I think it might be my favorite right now on tv and it's definitely one of the smartest mainstream shows out there. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 04-13-2009 at 01:15 AM.

04-13-2009, 08:43 AM	#232
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	-I hope they have a plan to keep it going and they didn't write themselves into a corner. I'm somewhat sure that they have a plan - maybe we'll see an interview where someone asks them that. If not, well they gave a hell of a "fuck you" to Fox for canceling them. -I agree with your thoughts on the future direction of the plotlines if things go forward. If the show gets renewed then the liquid+john pickup Derek & Cameron in the future and bring them back to the present day. -As far as the abomination that was Enterprise's "Temporal Cold War" storyline - that shit killed the show for me pretty much. -The reveal of Weaver definately lived up to my expectations, in a major way. I was literally sitting in front of the tv whooping and bouncing.

04-15-2009, 10:49 AM	#236
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	No More Terminator On TV Hopefully this isn't a true report.

04-15-2009, 11:25 AM	#237
gi College Prospect Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Berkley, MI	Hearing a lot of rumors that it's a done deal. It's gone

04-15-2009, 11:28 AM	#238
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Most out there right now are your typical internet echo chamber. They're almost all based on the EW story and quoting the EW story and have no sources of their own. I'd like to see something a little bit more concrete but, as we've been saying for months, it doesn't look good. I doubt Fox will say anything official until after T4 comes out. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 04-15-2009 at 11:28 AM.

05-18-2009, 06:15 PM	#241
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada

05-18-2009, 06:36 PM	#243
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	RIP... Getting sent to Friday nights is the kiss of death. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

05-18-2009, 07:38 PM	#244
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Dang- again, maybe had become my favorite show. I was a little hopeful since stuff that really didn't have much of a shot had been getting renewed like Dollhouse and Chuck but I also had a feeling in the back of my mind that this would be the one exception even tho it didn't make much sense. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

05-18-2009, 07:43 PM	#245
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	scared to see why this was bumped __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-18-2009, 07:46 PM	#246
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	gah. sadness and wait - you made the bet on DOLLHOUSE??? REALLY!?!?! DOLLHOUSE?!?!?! sighs __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature. Last edited by DaddyTorgo : 05-18-2009 at 07:46 PM.

05-18-2009, 07:49 PM	#247
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	As I said in the other thread... SCC has had more than one season. And do not underestimate the power of Whedon fans. They will hype this up beyond all reckoning (though I do like the show) and watching 10 billion times on Hulu or DVD (or both). __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

05-18-2009, 07:59 PM	#248
Marc Vaughan SI Games Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Melbourne, FL	Can't believe this has been canned - especially not with the movie onroute .... just on the back of that it'd get great viewing/DVD sales I'd expect (especially if they managed to tie the storyline into the movie somehow).

05-18-2009, 08:46 PM	#250
Travis Pro Rookie Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada eh	I had hoped both Dollhouse and SCC would make it to next season. As it is I'm glad it appears we'll get one, but still too bad SCC had to be lost. Especially with how many new reality shows will likely be coming out. __________________ "I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it." - Rogers Hornsby

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