WW Corporate Takeover! Game Over! VILLAGERS WIN, DAY FOUR! - Page 5

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 06:27 PM

dola: with that said I really wish I had a better feel for hoops other than the fact that I must be the enemy that he needs to have killed off prior to himself.

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 06:28 PM

double dola: Thoughts on Darth? A wolf would probably want to get their enemy advantage early if we feel that Schmidty was his enemy.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 06:29 PM

I don't have a wolfy feel from Darth right now. A villager would want that too. Especially on day one, if my enemy was one up for lynch, I would go that way without question.

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I don't have a wolfy feel from Darth right now. A villager would want that too. Especially on day one, if my enemy was one up for lynch, I would go that way without question.

He was first vote for Schmidty though, not that it means anything. Just that it's not as simple as, my enemy is up for lynch so I'll vote for him.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 06:32 PM

EF, is Hoops your enemy? And if not, why have you not considered going towards your enemy, especially on day 1 and instead went with Hoops?

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

EF, is Hoops your enemy? And if not, why have you not considered going towards your enemy, especially on day 1 and instead went with Hoops?

Can't say who my enemy is but I am apparantly his enemy.

I don't think it helps the village too much if we are worried about getting our enemy out of the game as much as trying to find the wolves. Would have switched to my enemy if he was a legit candidate at some point but once the voting got going I had to keep my vote on hoops, or the late switch to Schmidty, to make sure I was safe.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 06:39 PM

Regarding other candidates, I lean towards either Barkeep or J23 based on gut, but it's not like there's a compelling case for either.

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 06:54 PM

Lynching me is wrong. You will find that out tonight if the vote stays this way and I come back vanilla. You won't lose a role at least but you will be in a dangerous position.

A couple theories, however...

Schmidty seems to have been Darth's enemy, based upon the speculation (which really puts me in a bind with today's votes).

Granted it says the allegiance isn't associated to the side someone is on but do we think that a wolf would be an enemy of a wolf, or cultist? That theory actually is a good sign for Darth (not that it is in anyway gospel).

Why would hoops push so heavily for me today? He is obviously playing based solely on my being his enemy.

I suspect we had villager/villager/cultist yesterday. I accept that it makes sense to sort this out for certain today.

Let's break down the enemy possibilities:

Wolf with villager as enemy - 2
Cultist with villager as enemy - 1
Villager with Wolf as enemy - 2
Villager with Cultist as enemy - 1
Villager with Villager as enemy - 5

We already know that DT (villager) had hoops as his enemy
It seems obvious that I (villager) am hoops' enemy

5/11 * 5/11 = 20.6% chance that hoops is a villager who not only had a villager as his enemy but was the enemy of another villager

Danny · 07-21-2010, 07:05 PM

Aren't enemies just random though?

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Aren't enemies just random though?

That's what it says but I am thinking that is lip service, could be wrong though.

Chief Rum · 07-21-2010, 07:22 PM

Vote Tally (As of Post #210)

hoopsguy-- EagleFan (159)
EagleFan-- hoopsguy (160), Danny (167), Darth Vilus (181)
henry296-- ntndeacon (188), illinifan999 (197)

Currently No Vote: J23, Barkeep49, henry296

I am headed out to my other job shortly, so this will be my last post until after deadline.

As usual, although I will not be here to run things at the deadline, the deadline still remains 9 p.m. EST/6 p.m. PDT. No votes will be accepted after that time.

I will run the deadline when I come home. As I said yesterday, that could be fairly late and I am on the West Coast, so don't wait up (especially out east).

Good luck, everyone!

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 07:31 PM

Thoughts? anyone?

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:08 PM

A vote for hoops is a vote against Microsoft!!!

Say it with me everyone...

vote hoops

vote hoops

vote hoops

Or if you prefer...

Vote anyone but EagleFan....

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:10 PM

Swfully quiet in here for an hour before deadline. The wolves are comfortable with a villager being lynched tonight I guess...

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:25 PM

unvote hoops

vote illinifan

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 08:26 PM

Well that's mean.

henry296 · 07-21-2010, 08:26 PM

I find it interesting the ntndeacon, one of the quiet ones picked me as a randonm 3rd candidate given that I'm typically a quiet player. Therefore, for now I'm assuming that is enemy move and not a wolf move.

That leaves me in the same place as this morning, trying to learn more about the candidates from yesterday. I do agree that hoops is making this strong push for EF based more on enemy status than wolf vibe. However, given that I'm on the block and I want to learn about yesterday, the logical vote for me is EagleFan.

Also on the topic of cutlist / wolf as enemy the odds are the same as villager / wolf since I trust CR that they are completely random as we have seen in other games with this mechanic.

Vote EF.

hoopsguy · 07-21-2010, 08:28 PM

EF, I'll be here for a few minutes before deadline. I don't think I'm allowed to comment on the enemy part of the argument one way or the other. But I've presented a math argument earlier that has nothing to do with enemy status in any way, shape, or form.

I do agree that it has been awfully quiet all day.

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by illinifan999

Well that's mean.

Sorry, henry wasn't voting hoops so I thought I would give him a different option.

henry296 · 07-21-2010, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Sorry, henry wasn't voting hoops so I thought I would give him a different option.

I was typing my reply as EF changed his vote. For now I'm staying with EF to learn from yesterday.

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:38 PM

unvote illinifan

vote henry

Need self defense now...

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:42 PM

Vote Tally (As of Post #221)

EagleFan 4 - hoopsguy (160), Danny (167), Darth Vilus (181), henry (217)
henry296 3 - ntndeacon (188), illinifan999 (197), EagleFan (221)

Currently No Vote: J23, Barkeep49

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:46 PM

Is there any suspect that I could throw out there to get a switch to?

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:47 PM

unvote henry

vote BK

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:47 PM

anyone?

Lathum · 07-21-2010, 08:49 PM

barkeep asked me tp

Vote henry

for him

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 08:50 PM

I'd have figured your best shot was to keep your vote for henry and hope that he's BK's enemy.

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 08:50 PM

Well I'll be damned.

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 08:51 PM

I'm thinkin BK is having log-in issues. I've been looking at the "who's online" thing for the last 5 minutes or so and his "status" has been "logging in" the entire time.

hoopsguy · 07-21-2010, 08:52 PM

EF, if you were not going to vote self-preservation then who would you be voting for? Would it be me or someone else?

Do you legitimately think that any of the people you're throwing out there right now are working for Microsoft?

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:52 PM

Lathum's always a wolf, vote Lathum...

Danny · 07-21-2010, 08:56 PM

Unvote EF
Vote BK

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 08:56 PM

BK's play yesterday seemed off but if he was a wolf trying to save anyone yesterday it would have to be you as I am not a wolf and he wouldn't have known about Schmidty.

With that said (sorry, just random thoughts at the moment), that would seem to be a poor play as a wolf as it would lead us to you and him.

To be honest I have nothing to really go on but assuming that you aren't the seer. It seems that I am your enemy and I would guess the seer would scan his enemy first, especially one that was in the running on day one. If you were and had scanned me you wouldn't be voting for me, at least I would hope that you wouldn't.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 08:57 PM

I'm seeing if there is anymore support for BK but may switch again if there isn't

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 08:58 PM

Coming down to the wire.

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 08:58 PM

That said, I do not think BK is a conspirator.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 09:00 PM

Unvote BK
Vote Henry

hoopsguy · 07-21-2010, 09:00 PM

I'm not the seer, but you are 100% right that if I was that I would have scanned you first.

I've pushed for you based on the math that I presented earlier. Anything above and beyond that logic falls under the "gut" element of the game.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 09:00 PM

Not sure this changes the result, but should at least guarentee no tie since my vote is only worth partial.

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 09:02 PM

If I've done my counting right it looks like

BK - 2
EF - 2
henry - 4

1 no vote

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 09:02 PM

good luck village

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 09:02 PM

oh, did I count wrong?

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 09:03 PM

I don't know, with all the re-votes I could be totally wrong.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 09:03 PM

Ef has three and also has Hoops on him who we believe is the enemy of EF, so effectively, EF has 4 votes. Henry has 3.75 unless his enemy voted him.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 09:05 PM

Err actually, I didn't includes BK's vote under Lathum which would actually make it

EF 4
Henry 4.75

This is assuming my vote change counts.

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 09:05 PM

Ok it should be

EF - 3
BK - 1
Henry - 4

1 no vote

illinifan999 · 07-21-2010, 09:05 PM

Oh yeah, well disregard all my counting then, forgot about the whole enemy vote thing.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 09:06 PM

So with my vote change Henry is the lynch choice.

Danny · 07-21-2010, 09:07 PM

I leaned towards EF not being a wolf as the day went on, we'll see if that change comes back to bite me.

EagleFan · 07-21-2010, 09:07 PM

EagleFan 3 - hoopsguy (160), Darth Vilus (181), henry (217)
henry296 4 - ntndeacon (188), illinifan999 (197), BK (226), Danny (227)
BK 1 - EF (223)

This is what I see, without counting the mutipliers

07-21-2010, 07:22 PM	#211
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Vote Tally (As of Post #210) hoopsguy-- EagleFan (159) EagleFan-- hoopsguy (160), Danny (167), Darth Vilus (181) henry296-- ntndeacon (188), illinifan999 (197) Currently No Vote: J23, Barkeep49, henry296 I am headed out to my other job shortly, so this will be my last post until after deadline. As usual, although I will not be here to run things at the deadline, the deadline still remains 9 p.m. EST/6 p.m. PDT. No votes will be accepted after that time. I will run the deadline when I come home. As I said yesterday, that could be fairly late and I am on the West Coast, so don't wait up (especially out east). Good luck, everyone! __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-21-2010, 08:26 PM	#216
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Well that's mean. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-21-2010, 08:26 PM	#217
henry296 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	I find it interesting the ntndeacon, one of the quiet ones picked me as a randonm 3rd candidate given that I'm typically a quiet player. Therefore, for now I'm assuming that is enemy move and not a wolf move. That leaves me in the same place as this morning, trying to learn more about the candidates from yesterday. I do agree that hoops is making this strong push for EF based more on enemy status than wolf vibe. However, given that I'm on the block and I want to learn about yesterday, the logical vote for me is EagleFan. Also on the topic of cutlist / wolf as enemy the odds are the same as villager / wolf since I trust CR that they are completely random as we have seen in other games with this mechanic. Vote EF. __________________ "It's a great day for hockey" - "Badger" Bob Johnson

07-21-2010, 08:50 PM	#227
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I'd have figured your best shot was to keep your vote for henry and hope that he's BK's enemy. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-21-2010, 08:50 PM	#228
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Well I'll be damned. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-21-2010, 06:27 PM	#201
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	dola: with that said I really wish I had a better feel for hoops other than the fact that I must be the enemy that he needs to have killed off prior to himself.

07-21-2010, 06:28 PM	#202
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	double dola: Thoughts on Darth? A wolf would probably want to get their enemy advantage early if we feel that Schmidty was his enemy.

07-21-2010, 06:29 PM	#203
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I don't have a wolfy feel from Darth right now. A villager would want that too. Especially on day one, if my enemy was one up for lynch, I would go that way without question.

07-21-2010, 06:32 PM	#205
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	EF, is Hoops your enemy? And if not, why have you not considered going towards your enemy, especially on day 1 and instead went with Hoops?

07-21-2010, 06:39 PM	#207
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Regarding other candidates, I lean towards either Barkeep or J23 based on gut, but it's not like there's a compelling case for either.

07-21-2010, 06:54 PM	#208
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Lynching me is wrong. You will find that out tonight if the vote stays this way and I come back vanilla. You won't lose a role at least but you will be in a dangerous position. A couple theories, however... Schmidty seems to have been Darth's enemy, based upon the speculation (which really puts me in a bind with today's votes). Granted it says the allegiance isn't associated to the side someone is on but do we think that a wolf would be an enemy of a wolf, or cultist? That theory actually is a good sign for Darth (not that it is in anyway gospel). Why would hoops push so heavily for me today? He is obviously playing based solely on my being his enemy. I suspect we had villager/villager/cultist yesterday. I accept that it makes sense to sort this out for certain today. Let's break down the enemy possibilities: Wolf with villager as enemy - 2 Cultist with villager as enemy - 1 Villager with Wolf as enemy - 2 Villager with Cultist as enemy - 1 Villager with Villager as enemy - 5 We already know that DT (villager) had hoops as his enemy It seems obvious that I (villager) am hoops' enemy 5/11 * 5/11 = 20.6% chance that hoops is a villager who not only had a villager as his enemy but was the enemy of another villager

07-21-2010, 07:05 PM	#209
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Aren't enemies just random though?

07-21-2010, 07:31 PM	#212
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Thoughts? anyone?

07-21-2010, 08:08 PM	#213
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	A vote for hoops is a vote against Microsoft!!! Say it with me everyone... vote hoops vote hoops vote hoops Or if you prefer... Vote anyone but EagleFan....

07-21-2010, 08:10 PM	#214
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Swfully quiet in here for an hour before deadline. The wolves are comfortable with a villager being lynched tonight I guess...

07-21-2010, 08:25 PM	#215
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	unvote hoops vote illinifan

07-21-2010, 08:28 PM	#218
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	EF, I'll be here for a few minutes before deadline. I don't think I'm allowed to comment on the enemy part of the argument one way or the other. But I've presented a math argument earlier that has nothing to do with enemy status in any way, shape, or form. I do agree that it has been awfully quiet all day.

07-21-2010, 08:38 PM	#221
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	unvote illinifan vote henry Need self defense now...

07-21-2010, 08:42 PM	#222
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Vote Tally (As of Post #221) EagleFan 4 - hoopsguy (160), Danny (167), Darth Vilus (181), henry (217) henry296 3 - ntndeacon (188), illinifan999 (197), EagleFan (221) Currently No Vote: J23, Barkeep49

07-21-2010, 08:46 PM	#223
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Is there any suspect that I could throw out there to get a switch to?

07-21-2010, 08:47 PM	#224
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	unvote henry vote BK

07-21-2010, 08:47 PM	#225
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	anyone?

07-21-2010, 08:49 PM	#226
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	barkeep asked me tp Vote henry for him

07-21-2010, 08:51 PM	#229
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	I'm thinkin BK is having log-in issues. I've been looking at the "who's online" thing for the last 5 minutes or so and his "status" has been "logging in" the entire time. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-21-2010, 08:52 PM	#230
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	EF, if you were not going to vote self-preservation then who would you be voting for? Would it be me or someone else? Do you legitimately think that any of the people you're throwing out there right now are working for Microsoft?

07-21-2010, 08:52 PM	#231
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Lathum's always a wolf, vote Lathum...

07-21-2010, 08:56 PM	#232
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unvote EF Vote BK

07-21-2010, 08:56 PM	#233
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	BK's play yesterday seemed off but if he was a wolf trying to save anyone yesterday it would have to be you as I am not a wolf and he wouldn't have known about Schmidty. With that said (sorry, just random thoughts at the moment), that would seem to be a poor play as a wolf as it would lead us to you and him. To be honest I have nothing to really go on but assuming that you aren't the seer. It seems that I am your enemy and I would guess the seer would scan his enemy first, especially one that was in the running on day one. If you were and had scanned me you wouldn't be voting for me, at least I would hope that you wouldn't.

07-21-2010, 08:57 PM	#234
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm seeing if there is anymore support for BK but may switch again if there isn't

07-21-2010, 08:58 PM	#235
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	Coming down to the wire. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-21-2010, 08:58 PM	#236
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	That said, I do not think BK is a conspirator. __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"

07-21-2010, 09:00 PM	#237
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unvote BK Vote Henry

07-21-2010, 09:00 PM	#238
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm not the seer, but you are 100% right that if I was that I would have scanned you first. I've pushed for you based on the math that I presented earlier. Anything above and beyond that logic falls under the "gut" element of the game.

07-21-2010, 09:00 PM	#239
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Not sure this changes the result, but should at least guarentee no tie since my vote is only worth partial.

07-21-2010, 09:02 PM	#240
illinifan999 Pro Rookie Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: VA	If I've done my counting right it looks like BK - 2 EF - 2 henry - 4 1 no vote __________________ Chicago Eagles 2 time ZFL champions We're "rebuilding"