Who wins House Speaker?

[CrimsonFox]

If only they nominated Trout, they'd get the 50%

[Atocep]

No more votes today, but Jordan is likely going to try again tomorrow.

[SirFozzie]

Who's next in the humiliation conga?

[RainMaker]

It sounds like they tried to get aggressive last night with threats to the holdouts. Reports of calling wives and threats to primary people. That seemed to only piss people off more.

What's the longest the House has ever gone without a real speaker?

[bronconick]

2 months in 1855

[Edward64]

Nice strategy. Be interesting to see what the vote counts are today, hopefully 23+.

But some Jordan critics inside the House Republican conference have decided to stagger their votes, so the votes against Jordan grow with each round, CBS News' Robert Costa reported. This stems from their belief that Jordan won't quit the speaker race unless it's obvious he's losing votes along the way, according to two House Republicans who spoke on background to discuss private deliberations. CNN first reported this development.

[albionmoonlight]

https://www.natesilver.net/p/the-gam...the-republican

Pretty good read for the game theory minded here.

Basically, the GOP does not have a stable equilibrium right now, which is why they basically can't settle into a ground state.

[Edward64]

FWIW

Someone please propose the McHenry compromise ... at least through the conclusion of the Nov 17 budget stuff.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-23/index.html

Multiple GOP sources say that Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan is quickly losing votes and is poised to lose even more Republican support if he goes through with a third ballot Thursday for his House speakership bid. One Republican opponent says there are about 30 GOP "no" votes today.

It’s unclear if Jordan will go through with the anticipated noon ET vote at this moment.

[Thomkal]

Nothing official yet but seeing reporting that Jordan will not have a third vote today and will back the temporary power of the Speaker given to McHenry

[Edward64]

In case you didn't know McHenry's background, see below. Seems like a reasonable chap.

‘The greatest name in politics’: A quick guide to Patrick McHenry - POLITICO

You’re going to read that the 18-year House veteran is the “adult in the room” compared to other GOP hard-liners — a pragmatist who’s ready to govern and even has Democrats clamoring for him to run the House. But it wasn’t always that way.

McHenry hasn’t quite abandoned his conservative ideals in his transition to GOP statesman. But he’s made clear that he can be flexible to get a deal done.

Just take McHenry’s approach at House Financial Services. McHenry has spent years courting Rep. Maxine Waters — the panel’s top Democrat and McHenry’s polar opposite — in a bid to craft legislation that would have a hint of a shot at getting through the Senate and signed by the president. Before taking the gavel, he described the committee as an active nook of bipartisanship.

Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy turned to McHenry earlier this year to help resolve the debt-limit impasse. It warmed hearts on Wall Street because bankers had confidence that McHenry would be a voice of reason and help steer the country away from financial calamity.

McHenry is close to the middle of his party, according to one ideology score. He believes climate change is real and “we have to do something about it.” He’s supported aid for Ukraine. He has sidestepped some of the culture war issues that are dominating GOP politics and even drew flak from the right when he kept diversity and inclusion concerns — a priority of Waters — on the Financial Services oversight agenda.

After a sudden rash of regional bank failures in March, McHenry, unlike some other conservatives, held back from using the crisis atmosphere to attack the Biden administration for their handling of the situation — confirming the full transition from his bomb-throwing days of yore.

[Edward64]

I think I like this.

Jordan won't seek third vote today for House speaker and will back McHenry: reports - MarketWatch

Betting markets have been seeing McHenry as more likely than Jordan to get the speaker job permanently.

[Swaggs]

I don't know much about him, but it seems like a plus that McHenry doesn't particularly want the job. Maybe he won't have the giant ego that seems to come standard for folks seeking leadership in the government.

[Thomkal]

Ha! now Republicans are mad that Republican leadership is now backing the McHenry temp deal.

[Jas_lov]

I'd be shocked if they get the McHenry plan through without Democrat votes.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I don't know much about him, but it seems like a plus that McHenry doesn't particularly want the job. Maybe he won't have the giant ego that seems to come standard for folks seeking leadership in the government.

But changing the speaker's chair because the old one made it clear he is short isn't a good indicator.

[Edward64]

The Dems pov, looks promising if there is a vote …

Three Democratic lawmakers told NBC News that during a closed-door meeting Thursday, Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York told rank-and-file members that Democrats would only support a temporary speaker who meets the following conditions: They voted to certify the 2020 election; have a track record of standing up to extremism” and defending democracy, as well as a “track record of governing”; and agreed to support the original debt limit deal struck between the White House and McCarthy.

McHenry, the Financial Services chairman and a former member of GOP leadership who helped negotiate the Biden-McCarthy deal, meets all of those criteria.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Edward64

The Dems pov, looks promising if there is a vote …

But the Republicans say no. They refuse to make any concession to get Democrats votes, and the hardliners refuse to vote for this. The only hope at this point if some Republicans defect. The Republicans will never be able to come together on anything, and they would rather the country burn than work with Democrats.

[albionmoonlight]

Is there a rule against that?

It seems like a lot of work to learn something that the other team can easily change up.

[CrimsonFox]

The bitch had this to say which is basically everything we have known about the rpublican party for decades.

I will vote NO on a resolution to empower a short-term Speaker.

I’m not sharing our power with Democrats, after our voters gave us the majority.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Is there a rule against that?

It seems like a lot of work to learn something that the other team can easily change up.

No. They could both name the speaker and change the rules prevent a single person challenging the speaker by majority vote.

[Edward64]

I read Scalise was against it. Guessing he didn’t want to give Jordan 2-3 months extra that he didn’t get.

It might require Jordan stepping aside first.

[Atocep]

Troy Nehls is pushing for Trump to be temporary speaker until 3 January 2024. He said if they don't have a decision on speaker by the end of this weekend he's going to nominate him.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Troy Nehls is pushing for Trump to be temporary speaker until 3 January 2024. He said if they don't have a decision on speaker by the end of this weekend he's going to nominate him.

I love it. The last unprompted attempt to nominate him as speaker failed in humiliating fashion, and don't see why this attempt would be any different. Go for it!

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

No. They could both name the speaker and change the rules prevent a single person challenging the speaker by majority vote.

Too many tabs open. I thought I was responding to the Michigan sign-stealing allegations :-)

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Too many tabs open. I thought I was responding to the Michigan sign-stealing allegations :-)

Lol. That makes your statement more clear.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Troy Nehls is pushing for Trump to be temporary speaker until 3 January 2024. He said if they don't have a decision on speaker by the end of this weekend he's going to nominate him.

Don't they have to change the rules since you can't nominate a speaker who is under indictment?

I feel like this would be Trump's nightmare. The job is a bunch of boring procedural work and he'd actually have to show up.

[GrantDawg]

I think he might be trying to skirt that rule by nominating him Speaker Pro Tem.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Don't they have to change the rules since you can't nominate a speaker who is under indictment?

I feel like this would be Trump's nightmare. The job is a bunch of boring procedural work and he'd actually have to show up.

Yes, he's currently ineligible because of standard house rules.

It would also be open to Supreme Court challenge as I've seen mixed interpretations on whether someone that isn't a member of the house can serve as speaker.

And yeah, he would absolutely hate being speaker. He'd have to work a full day, read and know rules, work on compromise with others, and interact with dems. It's quite possibly the worst job he could imagine.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The Republicans will never be able to come together on anything, and they would rather the country burn than work with Democrats.

As it should.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Yes, he's currently ineligible because of standard house rules.

It would also be open to Supreme Court challenge as I've seen mixed interpretations on whether someone that isn't a member of the house can serve as speaker.

And yeah, he would absolutely hate being speaker. He'd have to work a full day, read and know rules, work on compromise with others, and interact with dems. It's quite possibly the worst job he could imagine.

But he would love the kissing the ring part and becoming President if something should happen to Biden/Harris

[RainMaker]

Per a senior GOP source, “Ferguson told the conference that he‘s had to have a sheriff stationed at his daughter’s school over death threats from the far right. Also one at his house.”

— Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) October 19, 2023

[SirFozzie]

Gym Jordan: "Please Stop Eating My face"

Face-Eating Leopards: "No."

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/stat...23897782141270

also funny... someone took a photo of Jordan's notes from the meeting and Jordan had scrawled on it Joker-style is "WHAT IS THE REAL REASON?"

[Ksyrup]

I basically saw these two tweets back to back in my timeline:

INSIDE THE JORDAN MEETING -- Every Republican who met with Jordan today told him they would not back his candidacy for House speaker, according to multiple sources in the room.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 19, 2023

10 AM VOTE TOMORROW - 3rd vote for Jordan.

Sources tell me @MicaSoellnerDC @bresreports

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) October 19, 2023

[Jas_lov]

So he's going to lose again and then they're going to adjourn and call it a week. What a cluster. Maybe a way out is for 5 gop members just don't show up tomorrow.

[CrimsonFox]

so I keep reading all the above reports saying he withdrew, he didn't want to go to vote he withdrew yadaya

Now I saw a news interview with him saying he WILL be speaker. He WILL be speaker.

And now I see another vote coming so quickly. What happened to his support for mchenry? jesus he's such a clown

[CrimsonFox]

almost worried that gym did some heavy duty kidnapping and bribery before tomorrow

[GrantDawg]

They are saying now that they are going to force votes starting tomorrow and go all through the weekend till they get a Speaker. Jordan is just going to try to wear them down.

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[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Gym Jordan: "Please Stop Eating My face"

Face-Eating Leopards: "No."

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/stat...23897782141270

also funny... someone took a photo of Jordan's notes from the meeting and Jordan had scrawled on it Joker-style is "WHAT IS THE REAL REASON?"

This shit made me laugh. Biggest moments of his life and he prepared with half an envelope, to scrawl on. Who wouldn't vote for this guy??

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

They are saying now that they are going to force votes starting tomorrow and go all through the weekend till they get a Speaker. Jordan is just going to try to wear them down.

McCarthy is going to be like Heath Shuler (94) when Ryan Leaf (99) took his spot.

[Edward64]

Nice exchange. I wish there was a YT video.

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At one point, while speaking at the mics during the gathering, McCarthy mentioned Gaetz by name, according to a source in the room. Gaetz stood up to “kind of interrupt him and say something,” per a second source in the room.

McCarthy then shot back, according to the second source.

“Sit your ass down,” McCarthy said, according to the source, prompting Gaetz to “say something back.”

The second source said Rep. Mike Bost (R-Ill.) “was ready to lunge across the room.”

McCarthy said he did not yell at Gaetz.

“I was at the mic, I was speaking and Matt Gaetz tried to interrupt,” McCarthy said. “I told him to sit down.”

“I think the entire conference screamed at him,” McCarthy added. “Listen, the whole country, I think, would scream at Matt Gaetz right now. Remember, it was the crazy eight led by Matt Gaetz and every single Democrat that put us into this situation.”

Gaetz, for his part, said he thought McCarthy “was yielding to me since he had mentioned me.”

[RainMaker]

Feel like this is not a smart way to get people to vote for you but maybe they assume they're cucks like Cruz.

Republican Congressman @RepMcCaul reacts to a threatening voicemail left for wife of Jordan holdout pic.twitter.com/eco7d4ajEW

— The Lead CNN (@TheLeadCNN) October 19, 2023

[CrimsonFox]

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Feel like this is not a smart way to get people to vote for you but maybe they assume they're cucks like Cruz.

I trust the FBI is on it and we’ll hear about an arrest soon.

[miami_fan]

"You're going to be fucking molested like you can't ever imagine. And again, nonviolently."

What a sentence.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

"You're going to be fucking molested like you can't ever imagine. And again, nonviolently."

What a sentence.

Yeah, I'm sure he thinks that’s going to protect him if he gets caught.

‘… but, but I said nonviolently!’

[flere-imsaho]

The party of civility, apparently.

[CrimsonFox]

They need to stop calling this chaos. This is actually order. They are following the rules again and agaain and again.

[Edward64]

Something tells me the Dems won't be compromising with Jordan.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-23/index.html

"At every step of the way, Republicans have rejected bipartisanship and embraced extremism. Jim Jordan is a clear and present danger to our democracy," Jeffries said.

"He wants to end social security as we know it. He wants to end medicare as we know it — doesn't believe that President Biden was elected in 2020. That's disrespectful to the American people," Jeffries added.

Jeffries called Jordan the "poster child for MAGA extremism" and called for Republicans to join Democrats in finding bipartisanship.

"We are saying to our traditional Republican colleagues — good men and women on the other side of the aisle — end the attachment to the extremist Jim Jordan and join with Democrats in finding a bipartisan path forward," Jeffries said.

[flere-imsaho]

The GOP's having a civil war, and the situation in the House is just the currently most visible battlefield (the "debates" were this also, but not as bad). Smart of the Democrats to see if they can drive a wedge between the factions a little bit more.

[Edward64]

Regardless if you agree or not with what McCarty is saying, he did a great job in delivering the Jordan nomination speech.