Werewolf CXVIIIb XTreme - WOLVES WIN

[spleen1015]

Zinto, that is a good point that I hadn't considered.

We don't have any read on Danny because he was inactive yesterday and so far today.

[Zinto]

Yep, it is unfortunate he has not been able to be active so far this game. I am not ready to jump all over him about it at this point and I would love to hear what he has to say about what has gone on so far.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Zinto

Well also Danny could be a wolf in that theory since he had no vote. The reason being is if there where two villagers on the block late why would the wolves stack their votes on Mau?

Because one of the earlier people on the block was a wolf, and pushing Mau ahead was the way to take heat off them? That's the basis of my "one of PF or JAG is bad" theory. Might not be great, but it's the best I have today other than vote Spleen for his no-vote and see what happens.

[Narcizo]

So would I but unfortunately he indicated that he probably wouldn't be around until after I disappear.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Because one of the earlier people on the block was a wolf, and pushing Mau ahead was the way to take heat off them? That's the basis of my "one of PF or JAG is bad" theory. Might not be great, but it's the best I have today other than vote Spleen for his no-vote and see what happens.

True that was something I did not think about.If one of the wolves was on the block Mau was a good scapegoat to use as a way to move the vote onto him. He made a mistake in his reasoning and it was pretty easy to drum up suspicion going his way.

[JAG]

I want to vote bhlloy because of how he has handled his thinking about things thus far vs. how I would have in his position, but for now I'm holding back for one reason (and it may not even be a good one).

bhlloy, you've made your thoughts clear on most of us, but what about Narcizo and Zinto? (you can leave out Danny)

[JAG]

And I'm noticing only one other person gave consideration to things as I was, so maybe I'm just an outlier here.

[PackerFanatic]

I think we can potentially learn the most from lynching bhlloy. If mau was a villager as he so adamantly was stating, then at least 1 wolf was on him. If we lynch bhlloy and he is NOT a wolf, then we need a hard look at Zinto (since if we were villager-villager, it would surprise me if both wolves were stacked on mau).

Granted this is all predicated on the notion that our priest is still alive and will be able to clear our heads.

VOTE BHLLOY

[Narcizo]

Sorry guys - this sucks but I've got to go now. I don't have a great deal to add, unfortunately. I think the small game thing probably isn't for me.

[Narcizo]

I'm fairly happy with my vote where it is, mostly due to spleen's over-reaction. Sure he could be a villager making a mistake but he could also be a wolf making the same mistake of over-reacting. I realise that this vote is pretty crucial to the game but I just don't think there's enough to go on at the moment. I normally need a couple of days to get into a game.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by JAG

bhlloy, you've made your thoughts clear on most of us, but what about Narcizo and Zinto? (you can leave out Danny)

Both are playing their usual game as far as I can see, Narc is putting in good analysis but isn't around for deadline so it's hard to get a read on him and Zinto is very UTR and busting my balls

I see no reason to trust or distrust them at this point. And obviously Danny is in the same boat.

[Zinto]

It has been extremely quiet so far and that hasn't made anything easier. I am really stumped on where I want to place my vote today since this an important vote and we have close to no information to go on.

[Zinto]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Zinto is very UTR and busting my balls .

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Zinto

It has been extremely quiet so far and that hasn't made anything easier. I am really stumped on where I want to place my vote today since this an important vote and we have close to no information to go on.

I am discouraged by the lack of activity as well from some folks.

[JAG]

Well, it's really gonna be a crapshoot I see. I have sone reasons to distrust bhlloy, but there's some reasonable evidence to suggest he's not a great candidate today. I feel alright about Narcizo for the most part, though it seems I don't get a good read on him when he's a wolf. So, into the abyss hoping for the best here:

Vote spleen

[Danny]

I am here now

[Danny]

I think going with the day 1 Mau voters is probably the best bet, though Spleen is tempting with his third candidate vote.

At this point I'd lean toward voting Jag or Packer

[Danny]

Vote Jag

[spleen1015]

169 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)
208 - 14:41 - PackerFanatic votes bhlloy(1)
215 - 18:01 - JAG votes spleen1015(3)
218 - 18:42 - Danny votes JAG(1)

3 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192), JAG(215)
1 - Narcizo - spleen1015(185)
1 - bhlloy - PackerFanatic(208)
1 - JAG - Danny(218)

Yet to vote
Zinto

[JAG]

This is what I waited 1.5 days for?

[Autumn]

spleen - narcizo (177), bhlloy (192), JAG (215)
narcizo - spleen1015 (185)
bhlloy - packefanatic (208)
JAG - danny (218)

[Danny]

Originally Posted by JAG

This is what I waited 1.5 days for?

[Danny]

I would probably go Packer too.

[spleen1015]

Well, Danny. I dunno man.

You weren't here yesterday and most of today and you throw a vote someone out of the mix right now. It could be said you're doing the same thing I was accused of yesterday, leaving your vote pretty much out of the decision, or at least trying to.

I would be careful.

[JAG]

Seriously, even with my own perspective obviously helping, this vote is hard to understand. I gave Mau every chance to explain himself D1 before I went to him with a vote as opposed to jumping on him immediately as hoops did to Chubby last game for example. When the vote was tied at 1, I went with Chubby (who hadn't voted me) instead of PF (who had voted me), which is not much of a survival-inclined move. I guess if you see us as wolf teammates that would make sense, but then explaining PF's vote on me is difficult.

[JAG]

I don't see a PF-spleen pairing as out of the question though, so I wouldn't have argued with your other thought.

[Zinto]

I really have no idea where to go so I am going to vote towards trying to get as much information as we can and place a vote on Bhlloy. At this point I am not getting to much of a wolfy vibe on anyone so this is the best I can think of doing.

Vote Bhlloy

[Zinto]

I am going to hop into the shower and then reexamine yesterday and see if anything changes my mind.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Well, Danny. I dunno man.

You weren't here yesterday and most of today and you throw a vote someone out of the mix right now. It could be said you're doing the same thing I was accused of yesterday, leaving your vote pretty much out of the decision, or at least trying to.

I would be careful.

Except that we have to get a wolf today or the game is likely lost, so I am going to throw a vote down where I think a wolf will be. There's still a lot of time until deadline. My vote won't end up wasted, I assure you of that. I just think there is a good chance the wolves voted early today to establish non wolf candidates, so going with that and falling in line with who is there already, is dangerous/

[Danny]

Unvote Jag
Vote Packerfanatic

I am ok with either one, but I think this gives a better chance of getting traction from the other villagers (or wolves I suppose if this is a bad vote)

[spleen1015]

169 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)
208 - 14:41 - PackerFanatic votes bhlloy(1)
215 - 18:01 - JAG votes spleen1015(3)
218 - 18:42 - Danny votes JAG(1)
227 - 19:09 - Zinto votes bhlloy(2)
230 - 19:12 - Danny unvotes JAG(0), votes PackerFanatic(1)

3 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192), JAG(215)
2 - bhlloy - PackerFanatic(208), Zinto(227)
1 - Narcizo - spleen1015(185)
1 - PackerFanatic - Danny(230)

[Danny]

I will not be voting bhlloy or narcizo today. Not sure I like Spleen as a candidate either, it's very risky for a wolf to leave their vote off in nothingness like that on day 1 with only two wolves.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Danny

Except that we have to get a wolf today or the game is likely lost, so I am going to throw a vote down where I think a wolf will be. There's still a lot of time until deadline. My vote won't end up wasted, I assure you of that. I just think there is a good chance the wolves voted early today to establish non wolf candidates, so going with that and falling in line with who is there already, is dangerous/

Why would you not vote bhlloy or Narcizo then who:

1. Are early voters today
2. Are Mau voters yesterday

You're not making a lot of sense to me.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JAG

Why would you not vote bhlloy or Narcizo then who:

1. Are early voters today
2. Are Mau voters yesterday

You're not making a lot of sense to me.

I look at this a little differently.

I don't think a wolf would be gone for 1.5 days and then show up and say they weren't going to vote for certain candidates. I don't think Danny would make that mistake as a wolf. I'm seeing him as a villager now.

[JAG]

I never claimed he was acting like a wolf, just that his logic didn't make sense to me and I wanted to know where he was coming from.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JAG

I never claimed he was acting like a wolf, just that his logic didn't make sense to me and I wanted to know where he was coming from.

Yeah, and I never said that you said you thought he was a wolf. I was just pointing out that I didn't think he was a wolf.

You seemed suspicious of him to me, that is where I mean I see it differently.

[JAG]

We can't screw up the vote today and Danny has come up with ideas I haven't thought of before, so I want to make sure I'm not incorrectly dismissing something that doesnt make sense to me at first glance.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by JAG

We can't screw up the vote today and Danny has come up with ideas I haven't thought of before, so I want to make sure I'm not incorrectly dismissing something that doesnt make sense to me at first glance.

Then, I hope he can help you change your mind and get your vote off of me.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by JAG

Why would you not vote bhlloy or Narcizo then who:

1. Are early voters today
2. Are Mau voters yesterday

You're not making a lot of sense to me.

I should have clarified better. The reason I do not want to vote Narc is for gut read and the reason for not voting bh is because Packer voted him. I shouldn't have been so strong in my statement though. I played 5 straight games of the resistance last night, so I may just start calling everyone spies at some point today.

[Danny]

I guess a BH and Packer run off isn't a bad thing. The more I look at it though, I don't think Spleen is a wolf.

[Danny]

So if Spleen isn't a wolf, is there likely a wolf on him or do the wolves go for other candidates hoping to set it so that all candidates are villagers.

[spleen1015]

I still don't like that Narc targeted me today, but my vote on him doesn't seem like it is going to do any good. If I manage to live through the day, I want my vote to mean something. I believe strongly that Danny is a villager.

UNVOTE NARCIZO
VOTE PACKER FANATIC

[Zinto]

It looks like my vote on Bhlloy is a throw away depending on if Packer gets back on tonight or not. I am debating if I want to move onto Spleen or Packer but at this point it looks as though it will not matter unless one of the Spleen voters move onto Packer.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Danny

I should have clarified better. The reason I do not want to vote Narc is for gut read and the reason for not voting bh is because Packer voted him. I shouldn't have been so strong in my statement though. I played 5 straight games of the resistance last night, so I may just start calling everyone spies at some point today.

Alright, I'm not trying to pick on you, but if your gut read of Narc is good, why are you so anti his candidate?

[JAG]

Unvote spleen
Vote PackerFanatic

This vote isn't set, but I'll make it so we can at least have a discussion.

[Danny]

Just because I think someone is good, I have to agree with them? Thinking Narc is good doesn't mean he is making a good vote.

[spleen1015]

After the latest votes...

169 - 03:24 - Narcizo votes spleen1015(1)
176 - 05:45 - Narcizo unvotes spleen1015(0), votes Danny(1)
177 - 05:59 - Narcizo unvotes Danny(0), votes spleen1015(1)
178 - 06:18 - spleen1015 votes bhlloy(1)
185 - 08:22 - spleen1015 unvotes bhlloy(0), votes Narcizo(1)
192 - 10:15 - bhlloy votes spleen1015(2)
208 - 14:41 - PackerFanatic votes bhlloy(1)
215 - 18:01 - JAG votes spleen1015(3)
218 - 18:42 - Danny votes JAG(1)
227 - 19:09 - Zinto votes bhlloy(2)
230 - 19:12 - Danny unvotes JAG(0), votes PackerFanatic(1)
242 - 19:56 - spleen1015 unvotes Narcizo(0), votes PackerFanatic(2)
245 - 20:12 - JAG unvotes spleen1015(2), votes PackerFanatic(3)

2 - spleen1015 - Narcizo(177), bhlloy(192)
2 - bhlloy - PackerFanatic(208), Zinto(227)
3 - PackerFanatic - Danny(230), spleen1015(242), JAG(245)

[Autumn]

spleen - narcizo (177), bhlloy (192)
bhlloy - packefanatic (208), zinto (227)
PackerFanatic - danny (230), spleen1015 (242), JAG (245)

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Danny

Just because I think someone is good, I have to agree with them? Thinking Narc is good doesn't mean he is making a good vote.

No, but you were talking about being concerned that the wolves set the early votees. If you think Narcizo is good, then you can at least trust that he made the vote without wolfy intention in mind. If you think he screwed up the vote, then we would have 3 villagers to compete with two wolves and cultist, which isn't a great chance, except that they don't know each other (unless they figured how to signal each other and I didn't notice).

[Danny]

Well. that's true, but considering we don't know who the wolves are, I doubt the cultist has any better idea at this point