Werewolf XLIV: The Fightin’ Fundies vs. Them Gays - GAME OVER

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm OK with the "late votes" idea, except that none of the votes were cast particularly late. Cronin was 50 minutes before the deadline. I do think it makes sense to look for data points, even if there doesn't appear to be much flow in this game so far.

Blade, it wouldn't be an early day of werewolf if you weren't giving me the double and triple take looks Like usual, I'm a good guy and you are potentially seeing something that isn't there, but if we are both around long enough I'm sure we'll sort that out.

Hoops...you always claim im always after you...i havent voted for you early in like 10 games. I actually go out of my way not to vote for you early, for much of the same reason you talked about with me regarding your strat when evil.

[LoneStarGirl]

I still have no idea who to vote for and we have less than two hours left. anybody with a vote count?

[st.cronin]

2 - Chief Rum - path12 (185), Tyrith (198)
1 - st.cronin - Chief Rum (179)
1 - bulletsponge - ntndeacon (182)
1 - Blade - st.cronin (183)
1 - DaddyTorgo - bulletsponge (199)

[LoneStarGirl]

Tyrith, any reason for being the second vote on Chief Rum?

[LoneStarGirl]

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.

[Tyrith]

LSG, the sake of getting a second vote and not getting involved in blade/cronin.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Hoops...you always claim im always after you...i havent voted for you early in like 10 games. I actually go out of my way not to vote for you early, for much of the same reason you talked about with me regarding your strat when evil.

I recognize that you don't cast early votes on me often, but I'm sure if I went back looking at games that I'll find a number of "I suspect Hoopsguy" posts based on overly elaborate conspiracy theories. Which normally are not true ...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I recognize that you don't cast early votes on me often, but I'm sure if I went back looking at games that I'll find a number of "I suspect Hoopsguy" posts based on overly elaborate conspiracy theories. Which normally are not true ...

I wouldn't say you're unique in that regard.

[hoopsguy]

Probably not, Cronin.

So, with a little more than an hour left before the deadline I'll get a vote out there. There are six people with votes already at this point, so I'll stick to that list to see if we can create some kind of meaningful voting patterns. Back with vote after checking a couple of Day 1 posts ...

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Yes...especially then...all the wolves, and only some of the good players have secret liberal tendencies. If some mechanic reveals one of these players as liberal, i think we have a better chance of them being evil then normal. That may come back and screw me later, but thats my belief. It is gods will so to say

Originally Posted by st.cronin

And with this post I feel 99% sure that you are a wolf.

I'm dead serious, everybody. Some of you I'm sure will know what I see.

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

[Blade6119]

Id actually take challenge to that hoops, looking over the last 5-6 games we have played together. Im not looking for a argument here, just saying i think a lot of people hold beliefs about me i dont feel are based in fact. I used to play you like that, a fair amount of time ago...i dont think i have for some time though.

And cronin, i saw 2 of the 6 for you where i did that..and one of them you were evil. So im not exactly big bad wolf(here im saying i trust you while you call me a wolf)

[st.cronin]

I'm not a fan of voting bullet, if that means anything to anybody. Does anybody actually think he's a subversive, or is the temptation to vote for him come strictly from roleplay?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

I know what he sees, and i put it out there on purpose...he has to ask himself if he think i would do that if evil. I dont think anyone would, but then again most people think im crazy and out to get everyone so maybe

[Blade6119]

I will not vote bullet...i wanted him marked liberal, becuase he deserved it...but i think hes good

[Ironhead]

Not much to go on at this point - it feels like we are still stuck on Day 1. The only thing I could really come up with was one person has been almost invisible so far, and that is ImtheCrew. Might just be scheduling, but I think the more people we can get active the quicker we are likely to break out of this funk.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.

I am shocked, Sister. Truly I am. How could you even imagine that I would defile myself like ...THAT. I shudder at the very thought. I pray for you sister, that you come to your senses.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, do you want to come back around on this idea at this time? Because I didn't quite follow you at the time and I haven't seen anything since that helps me go where you were leading with this point.

Let's just say that the "99% positive" is hyperbole, but even since then I have seen some red flags. Nothing I can really go into detail yet. I have a good feeling about 1 (possibly 2, depending on the assumptions I make) player, and a very bad feeling about Blade. Its entirely possible I'm wrong about Blade, though, I don't have anything concrete.

And no, I'm not the seer.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, I'll rephrase - I think I know where Cronin was heading with that and he has backed it with votes for you on back-to-back days. But I wanted to see him put it out there a little more directly if he feels strongly enough to push for getting you listed today.

Now, why would you put that out there on purpose? And do you have some knowledge to back up your statement or is it speculation?

Where Tyrith said he wanted to avoid the matchup between you guys, I would rather explore it without any better options at the moment.

[DaddyTorgo]

in my last post, the "3rd person" thing I was referring to was if we ended up with two other people on the liberal list or that were drawing votes, I didn't see why a third who was likely good would make any difference.

I really have little to no idea of who to vote for here. But i'm uncomfortable voting for CR given his usual D1 work schedule so I won't be doing that, even in the interest of self-preservation.

i've got nothin really.

[Blade6119]

Hoops, im not sure which statement exactly your referring to...but in regards to what i was talking about i put it out there to ensure the village has all the information possible that can do it good. If there is info that is best kept secret for now, ill hold it...if there is info that is best in the open, i reveal it. I said what i felt was necessary to be said at the time, and will maintain that policy throughout

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I will not vote bullet...i wanted him marked liberal, becuase he deserved it...but i think hes good

I understand that position, Blade. And you are probably right. But if we as a group have any tendencies in recent games, one of them would not to punish early transgressors and to give them a higher benifit of the doubt than they probably deserve. Am I dead set on bullet being a gay? not really, but I am not ready to give her a clear pass today either. Then we are asking a wolf to take advantage of that idea and "make a mistake" in day one thereby clearing themselves.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

okay, well if there is anything i learned in the past couple of days is that NTN is a hell of a bad guy. so my initial vote goes to him

vote ntndeacon

But if i am on in the next two hours and can prevent a tie, I will do so.

LoneStarGirl has been moved to the liberal list



EDIT: Forgot to pink up my post

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT, that explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Going into last night I had zero idea about how many people might end up on the Liberal List, and I would expect the same to be true for the majority of the good folks in our town.

I'm expecting that someone who finds their way on the Liberal List has a reasonably good chance of being a "seer" scan this evening. So I don't think putting a vote on someone is a quick path to stoning for a true believer in our Lord and Savior.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

DaddyT, that explanation still doesn't make sense to me. Going into last night I had zero idea about how many people might end up on the Liberal List, and I would expect the same to be true for the majority of the good folks in our town.

I'm expecting that someone who finds their way on the Liberal List has a reasonably good chance of being a "seer" scan this evening. So I don't think putting a vote on someone is a quick path to stoning for a true believer in our Lord and Savior.

I think you and I see things in much the same way.

[hoopsguy]

Blade, do you still feel strongly about voting to stone the first person on the liberal list now that it is actually updated?

[st.cronin]

I'll say it right now, without something concrete, I'm not willing to stone LoneStarGirl. I will not even consider it.

[hoopsguy]

Cronin, would you be willing to consider stoning someone who appears on the list for reasons unknown overnight? Just trying to see what people's abstract measures are for cleansing the town.

[Blade6119]

Yes, i have no problem stoning LSG...its the only way were going to get voting records up and going. If i understand things, we can vote to stone LSG and still put another name on the list. I see no reason not to kill lsg, do you?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, would you be willing to consider stoning someone who appears on the list for reasons unknown overnight? Just trying to see what people's abstract measures are for cleansing the town.

I would consider it; but I would assume SOMEBODY in the village would know the reason, and I would want to hear from that person.

[Blade6119]

I am sooo against that idea cronin...if we have roles doing good for us(re: exposing liberals) i see no reason they should reveal.

You and i seem to be on the exact opposite of every idea

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Yes, i have no problem stoning LSG...its the only way were going to get voting records up and going. If i understand things, we can vote to stone LSG and still put another name on the list. I see no reason not to kill lsg, do you?

You only have one vote. Stone or put someone on the list.

[hoopsguy]

No reason not to, other than feeling bad about doing it over a fairly small slip in her post. But this is werewolf and we play the hands we are dealt.

VOTE/STONE LONESTARGIRL

[Lathum]

STONE LSG

[Tyrith]

Can we do both the stoning and the liberalizing vote today, or no, Anxiety?

[hoopsguy]

I'll stick around for another five minutes or so to hear if people have really strong thoughts on this (including Blade and Cronin, who have already staked out positions) but will be out for awhile after that.

[Lathum]

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Can we do both the stoning and the liberalizing vote today, or no, Anxiety?

You only have so many hands. Your hands can toss stoned or can cast votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

STONE LSG

i guess. I don't feel confident about it or anything, but one way or another it's progress

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

Well, in theory roles can discover information. And we don't have any keen insight into the capabilities of them gays to attack our community just yet.

I agree with your point on a large scale, and agree with enough specific to this game to cast the stoning vote, but I think there is room for reasonable people to disagree in this game.

[Blade6119]

Anxiety, we can only vote or stone...but will both vote counts be counted and processed. Meaning if half vote to stone one person, and the other half vote to add so and so...will both things happen?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am all for lynches early on, how else will we gain information.

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

[Ironhead]

If it's all we have at this point and it will get the ball moving then I say we do the stoning.

VOTE STONE - LoneStarGirl

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

tell me how early in the game other ways to gain information?

If we never lynch people please tell me another way to gain info unless the seer/ bodyguard/ or some other important role comes out.

Is that your goal?

[st.cronin]

Also is a vote to put somebody on the liberal list the same as voting "no stoning". Otherwise, it looks like LSG is getting stoned.

my count:

liberals
2 - Chief Rum - path12 (185), Tyrith (198)
1 - st.cronin - Chief Rum (179)
1 - bulletsponge - ntndeacon (182)
1 - Blade - st.cronin (183)
1 - DaddyTorgo - bulletsponge (199)\
1 - ntndeacon - LoneStarGirl (205)

stoners
3 - LoneStarGirl - hoopsguy (232), Lathum (233), DaddyTorgo (238), Ironhead (242)

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

You can't seriously think lynches are the only way for us to collect information.

Its day 2, so unless your suggesting the seer reveal already then it really is the only way. He said early in his post, and i agree with him 100%. You said your not the seer, so how else besides lynches do you suppose you will gather information?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

tell me how early in the game other ways to gain information?

If we never lynch people please tell me another way to gain info unless the seer/ bodyguard/ or some other important role comes out.

Is that your goal?

I've said this in other games: no lynch > lynching a good guy. Now, this is not a universal, but I think it applies here.

It would be one thing if there was some question about LSG - as it is, she's on the list pretty much at random, and there are other players about whom there are some questions - Blade, DT, Tyrith, etc.

[Lathum]

So St. Cronin. Are you saying we shouldn't lynch LSG?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Its day 2, so unless your suggesting the seer reveal already then it really is the only way. He said early in his post, and i agree with him 100%. You said your not the seer, so how else besides lynches do you suppose you will gather information?

No, no, no, no. I seriously think you are trying to mislead the village.

[Blade6119]

What questions are there about me and tyrith? even DT?

There are questions about everyone, especially you...

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So St. Cronin. Are you saying we shouldn't lynch LSG?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.