2023 NFL Regular Season Thread

[albionmoonlight]

The Jets need a hero to return to save them

[larrymcg421]

How's Steve Deberg doing?

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

No one should celebrate an injury. That's a man's lively-hood and health and it shouldn't be joked about.........but good Lord are the meme's and Tik Tok's funny.

You are absolutely correct....however...

This might be the closest injury situation to be okay to laugh at that we can get. It is not an injury where his life was endangered or involved a gross visual break of some sort.. From what everyone who has had the injury has said, a ruptured Achilles involves an intense bit of pain for a few seconds then barely any pain at all. Next, Rodgers was the oldest active player in the league for the opening weekend and has already has his career for the most part. Finally, it's Rodgers, the Jets, the media, Jets fans and everything that has happened since the end of last season. This should be considered a minuscule sin.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by molson

Former Buccs and Bills WR Mike Williams was reported dead about a week ago, but now he's been upgraded to alive, and breathing on his own.

Former Bucs receiver Mike Williams, 36, dies

Very weird story that has come a sad end. I am not sure what was gained by some of the reporting of this story.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I can't stand Aaron Rodgers, but his injury turns the Jets into an interesting watch each week to something far, far less. As fun as it is to watch Zach Wilson do his thing from time to time, it's not compelling football.

Only four more nationally televised games for Zach Wilson!

[cuervo72]

Yeah, it's not exactly a Greek tragedy, but it does make them a less interesting watch and (Bills result nonwithstanding) another obstacle to the Patriots (and the rest of the division, but I really would only care about them beating the Patriots).

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

I can't stand Aaron Rodgers, but his injury turns the Jets into an interesting watch each week to something far, far less. As fun as it is to watch Zach Wilson do his thing from time to time, it's not compelling football.

Only four more nationally televised games for Zach Wilson!

Well, America survived Russell Wilson and Denver on constant prime time games last year.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by bronconick

Well, America survived Russell Wilson and Denver on constant prime time games last year.

Barely!

[SirFozzie]

Don't forget, they can flex out a bunch of the stuff later in the season and probably will

edit: And yeah, despite the traditional New England-New York rivalry in all things sports, I do feel bad for Jets fans. So much hype, so much good thoughts, so much.. agony.

[SirFozzie]

And a tweet that explains just how FUCKED the Jets are. His cap charges over the next two years are 17.1 million in 2024 and 51.5 Million in 2025. Even if he retires, that 51.5 million accelerates into 2024. (so nearly 70 million in cap hit)

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/sta...28313880404089

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

And a tweet that explains just how FUCKED the Jets are. His cap charges over the next two years are 17.1 million in 2024 and 51.5 Million in 2025. Even if he retires, that 51.5 million accelerates into 2024. (so nearly 70 million in cap hit)

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/sta...28313880404089

The reason he will attempt a come back. The Jets are going to force him to play or they send Tony Soprano to make sure he sleeps with the fishes.

[bronconick]

So basically what the Saints went through with Brees on steroids

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

And a tweet that explains just how FUCKED the Jets are. His cap charges over the next two years are 17.1 million in 2024 and 51.5 Million in 2025. Even if he retires, that 51.5 million accelerates into 2024. (so nearly 70 million in cap hit)

https://twitter.com/AndrewBrandt/sta...28313880404089

[bhlloy]

While I don’t take any pleasure in the injury and really sympathize with Jets fans, I hope it’s OK to cynically wonder if he will call up Joe Rogan and talk about natural ways to recover from a torn Achilles, or just maybe he will trust the doctors and follow the wisdom of the medical community now, y’know he’s in a situation that actually affects him and his health.

[SirFozzie]

best lines from me and elsewhere regarding Aaron Rodgers forgetting to discount double check his Achilles...

1) Aaron Rodgers took four snaps in the game yesterday. Five if you count the Achilles tendon.

2) Someone else joked that the Jets are the only franchise to ever hire a hall-of-fame level head coach and never have him be the head coach for a single game, and to sign a Hall of Fame Level QB, and not have him complete a single pass (Belichick and Rodgers)

3) Speaking of Belichick, the only way this could have been worse is if Rodgers had pulled a Belichick and wrote "I resign as QB of the NYJ" on a napkin and handed it in before week 1.

[GrantDawg]

Desmond Ridder is first in completions and second in quarterback rating in week one. Suck it, haters.





We won't talk about his yards per completion.

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I hear that there's a guy who might be waiting by the phone just in case a surefire playoff team needs a good QB. He may have been in the Boston area on Sunday for a thing. But that is just what I heard.

I think Brady is too smart to throw himself behind that offensive line. He made sure Tampa shored up that offensive line before going there.

Options are pretty grim. Carson Wentz I guess might be an upgrade if you can get him to be a game manager. I think Jameis would be pretty fun, although I don't think they want someone who will sling it that much. The other guys I see being thrown around are just too old and immobile to make it behind that line.

[RainMaker]

I do feel terrible for Jets fans because as a Bears fan, I've seen the scenario where you have an elite defense wasted because your QB is dogshit.

[miami_fan]

Back to the football part of the Rodgers injury, I see there were concerns about the O-line prior to last night. I am definitely Tuesday evening QB-ing here but it just seem too obvious. How can you put Aaron Rodgers behind an offensive line that received the third worst pass block grade from PFF last season without importing some established upgrades coming into a new season?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Options are pretty grim. Carson Wentz I guess might be an upgrade if you can get him to be a game manager. I think Jameis would be pretty fun, although I don't think they want someone who will sling it that much. The other guys I see being thrown around are just too old and immobile to make it behind that line.

I imagine the hypothetical pecking order is something like Wentz and Flacco, maybe Colt Mccoy.

After that, FA pickings are slim to non-existent.

[GrantDawg]

How would they even pay Tom Brady? He is not going to come back and play without getting paid.

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[Solecismic]

I've always wondered what would happen if someone noticed that Jameis has shown improvement in his limited exposure in New Orleans and decided to give him a chance. Jameis with fewer risky deep balls might be more what people imagined when he was drafted.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

How would they even pay Tom Brady? He is not going to come back and play without getting paid.

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They have 9 mil in cap space. They could offer a 2m base salary, 23 mil bonus, 4 voidable years. Incentives for playoff wins. They can get a deal done if they have 5-6M of available space.

[CrimsonFox]

Such a shame. and the pfizer vaccine protects against achilles tendon tears.

[CrimsonFox]

I hear Brady and Colin Kaepernick are dueling it out

[CrimsonFox]

I remember this happening to Trent Green when I HAD Green on my team.

oi the pain....

But then I got Kurt Warner to thank you jesus me

[CrimsonFox]

I don't think ANY of the current free agents are even possibilities. They need to make a trade if they actually want to contend. Otherwise the season is over or else just hope their current backup can do what he just did. And really he played the entire game and won so why not just let him do that. But looking ahead it might just be best to trade away any and all highpriced players they can and stock up on draft picks because of the crappy bloated vaporware called Rodgers

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I imagine the hypothetical pecking order is something like Wentz and Flacco, maybe Colt Mccoy.

After that, FA pickings are slim to non-existent.

Wentz was released by 3 teams in 3 years. No thanks.

[SirFozzie]

Brady would have to divest himself of his Raiders ownership stake, he ain't comin back.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I imagine the hypothetical pecking order is something like Wentz and Flacco, maybe Colt Mccoy.

After that, FA pickings are slim to non-existent.

Feel like McCoy isn't terrible. Not good by any means but someone who won't actively sabotage the team like Wilson.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I don't think ANY of the current free agents are even possibilities. They need to make a trade if they actually want to contend. Otherwise the season is over or else just hope their current backup can do what he just did. And really he played the entire game and won so why not just let him do that. But looking ahead it might just be best to trade away any and all highpriced players they can and stock up on draft picks because of the crappy bloated vaporware called Rodgers

Nobody is trading their starter at this point in the season - well maybe the Cards but you can’t get Murray under the cap if you wanted to although it would be amusing to have two injured QBs with the highest cap hits in the league I suppose.

Are backups any better than Wilson or Wentz? Maybe you hope Mariota can be a better version of Wilson or that you get OK Jameis rather than “fuck it I’m throwing downfield” Jameis, but I can’t see an obvious option that keeps them in contention. Wilson knows the offense and is supposedly showing signs of improvement, he’s almost certainly the guy and they will sign a veteran to backup.

[JPhillips]

WTF ARE WE DOING?
Hard to play QB like this.
Can't take sack.
Who knows wtf this is?
What is this?
85?
Disaster.#DaBears
Full video: https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS

— The QB School (@theqbschool) September 13, 2023

[albionmoonlight]

We live in such a golden age of multiple really smart football people being able to break down stuff for us on All-22.

It used to be that if it wasn't what fit on your TV screen on Sunday, then you just didn't know what was happening.

I have learned more about football X and O stuff over the last 2-3 years than I think I learned in the decades before that.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Nobody is trading their starter at this point in the season - well maybe the Cards but you can’t get Murray under the cap if you wanted to although it would be amusing to have two injured QBs with the highest cap hits in the league I suppose.

Are backups any better than Wilson or Wentz? Maybe you hope Mariota can be a better version of Wilson or that you get OK Jameis rather than “fuck it I’m throwing downfield” Jameis, but I can’t see an obvious option that keeps them in contention. Wilson knows the offense and is supposedly showing signs of improvement, he’s almost certainly the guy and they will sign a veteran to backup.

I was more talking about trading for a #2 on a team that knows it isn't good.

Also...word is that the Jets have already talked to Kaeper's agent and it went no where. They aren't going for him. He's washed up at this point and no one will get him unless they want to sell tickets to the sideshow

[JPhillips]

Colin K. got screwed by the NFL, but he just isn't a viable option at this point. He's 35 and hasn't played in six seasons. He barely offers anything even as a third-string emergency QB.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

We live in such a golden age of multiple really smart football people being able to break down stuff for us on All-22.

It used to be that if it wasn't what fit on your TV screen on Sunday, then you just didn't know what was happening.

I have learned more about football X and O stuff over the last 2-3 years than I think I learned in the decades before that.

Agreed

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

WTF ARE WE DOING?
Hard to play QB like this.
Can't take sack.
Who knows wtf this is?
What is this?
85?
Disaster.#DaBears
Full video: https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS

— The QB School (@theqbschool) September 13, 2023

I mentioned this play earlier. Either someone did the wrong thing or it was play design you shouldn't see at the NFL level. Either way, fields needs to just throw it away.

Watched some more of JT O'Sullivans breakdown. No surprises. Getsy was bad as an OC Sunday, execution was bad by several players, and Fields has to get better at aggressively taking the throws that are there down the field. Getsy really didn't have a good gameplan for Fields on Sunday though. Especially for the first game out the gate.

[CrimsonFox]

Sounds like they are going with Wilson as their dedicated starter and they've said there are no plans to contact brady

I really think Flacco is the guy they should bring in since he's been there before unless there were personal conflicts

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

WTF ARE WE DOING?
Hard to play QB like this.
Can't take sack.
Who knows wtf this is?
What is this?
85?
Disaster.#DaBears
Full video: https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS

— The QB School (@theqbschool) September 13, 2023

CLOWN ROUTES!

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

WTF ARE WE DOING?
Hard to play QB like this.
Can't take sack.
Who knows wtf this is?
What is this?
85?
Disaster.#DaBears
Full video: https://t.co/oGkwkwR8BV pic.twitter.com/cPX7WQbCtS

— The QB School (@theqbschool) September 13, 2023

I'm an OSU grad so I want Fields to succeed even though he's on the Bears. Maybe he's not an NFL QB but how can you tell if he's coached as poorly as everyone else on this play?

[Bobble]

There was a thread on the Lions subreddit about what would it take to sell Bridgewater to the Jets. For me, it would have to be an offer that just knocks my socks off. Not saying I wouldn't ever do the deal, it would just have to be huge.

[rjolley]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

We live in such a golden age of multiple really smart football people being able to break down stuff for us on All-22.

It used to be that if it wasn't what fit on your TV screen on Sunday, then you just didn't know what was happening.

I have learned more about football X and O stuff over the last 2-3 years than I think I learned in the decades before that.

I had a similar thought a few days ago. I find myself watching and thinking about football differently than I did a few years ago. It's more analytical, more akin to the way I follow basketball.

As to the Bears, Sunday was horrible. Not just one player on offense had a bad game, most did. And it was a different issue each play. We rarely called a good play and had all of the players execute effectively. False start here. Missed block there. Passed up opportunity on another. Green Bay has a good defense, but the chances were there if we didn't shoot ourselves in the left foot then shoot the right foot while we're attending to the left.

The defense, where we should be hanging our hat, couldn't pressure Love and he made us pay. Not sure how that gets fixed with this line and this scheme. The most obvious answer is to blitz more, but do we have blitz packages in place to call more often?

I didn't agree with the sentiment that we would challenge for the NFC North title, but I did think we should win 6-7 games with improvements shown in all phases. Let's see where we are after 4 games.

[Solecismic]

You wonder how much trust there is in the group of quarterbacks who are always available on practice squads. The Jet version is Tim Boyle, who has thrown a remarkable eight interceptions in 106 career passes in this role. Boyle had beaten out Chris Streveler for the Jets' practice squad.

The Michigan board is excited because Hackett is connected to Chad Henne (hence the headline "Henne and the Jets", which would be fun). Henne is 38, though, and hasn't seen much action in years. He wasn't very good when he had his chance to start regularly long ago. It's been 36 years since a Michigan quarterback wasn't in the league, and it's likely J.J. McCarthy will stick next year, so continuity has a plus for them.

The Jets have a recent history with Flacco, who is also 38. Nick Foles, Colt McCoy and Trevor Siemian are presumably available backups with some history of playing.

I don't see the argument for Brady coming back. Kaepernick is "only" 35, but his game was more a running game and it's rare for running quarterbacks to still be effective at that age. He's been out of the game a long time, too. There's a difference between staying in shape and football shape. And could the team handle the media aspect - there would be a lot of pressure to bench Wilson at the first sign of weakness, which probably won't take long.

I wouldn't expect a trade. Winston might be the most intriguing name, but New Orleans just saw the guy they drafted in the fourth round suspended. But if Wilson really fails, someone could shake loose for a low pick.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

best lines from me and elsewhere regarding Aaron Rodgers forgetting to discount double check his Achilles...

1) Aaron Rodgers took four snaps in the game yesterday. Five if you count the Achilles tendon.

2) Someone else joked that the Jets are the only franchise to ever hire a hall-of-fame level head coach and never have him be the head coach for a single game, and to sign a Hall of Fame Level QB, and not have him complete a single pass (Belichick and Rodgers)

3) Speaking of Belichick, the only way this could have been worse is if Rodgers had pulled a Belichick and wrote "I resign as QB of the NYJ" on a napkin and handed it in before week 1.

How bout this killer take?

Former #NFL RB OJ Simpson speaking about the Aaron Rodgers injury:

“9/11 is just a bad day for New York.”

This is a new low. pic.twitter.com/zWHvu2Ii5j

— JPAFootball (@jasrifootball) September 13, 2023

[cuervo72]

What's Tim Tebow doing?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I mentioned this play earlier. Either someone did the wrong thing or it was play design you shouldn't see at the NFL level. Either way, fields needs to just throw it away.

Watched some more of JT O'Sullivans breakdown. No surprises. Getsy was bad as an OC Sunday, execution was bad by several players, and Fields has to get better at aggressively taking the throws that are there down the field. Getsy really didn't have a good gameplan for Fields on Sunday though. Especially for the first game out the gate.

I think this is really a simple play that 85 missed his assignment. He was supposed to block the free man on the edge, but instead moved to the second level. It was a run/pass option that with that guy blocked gave Fields choices. With him coming on touched, the play was blown.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, I think that's a decent take on it. He acted like he was going to stay in to help block, didn't pick up anybody, then floated downfield without really running a route (but sort of hovered near the linebacker, accomplishing I don't know what). I don't know if he expected the backer to come so he didn't pick up the guy on the outside or wtf he was doing.

[cuervo72]

Or safety maybe. I don't know anymore without any number rules.

[rjolley]

Fields relies too much on his athletic ability in those plays. Granted, it served him very well last year. It's also why he takes questionable sacks. In that play, the QB thing to do is throw it away. For a playmaker, you think you're going to make that guy miss and be able to make a play. When you do, it's glorious. When you don't, you get severely questioned. Can you even teach someone with that kind of ability to throw it away when he could and has gotten away and made big plays consistently?

[GrantDawg]

Stetson Bennett has been put on the non-football injury reserve list. Sean McVay would not disclose the reason saying they will keep it in-house. Rehab?

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