Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

But to be clear, the alternative is to kill the villager forever. So a 20% chance at clearing them and bringing them back is a lot better, right?

of course

[Lathum]

Unvote USFLTechmo as King

based on him being unavailable at tonights deadline.

[saldana]

checking in....happy to not have 12 pages to read!

my first thought is to treat the out of the gate nomination by barkeep with a serious amount of suspicion, but he has to know that after the shenanigans of dubb and hoops last game that the first king is not going to get by without alot of votes...although i dont rule out him being a wolf, i would be relatively certain Schmidty won't be...BK wouldnt make the one for one this early in the game.

i will admit to having the same schedule trepidations as others have expressed, but i am also willing to give the man a shot since he is saying he will be around alot more.

vote schmidty as king

[Lathum]

vote schmidty as King

looks to be a runaway at this point

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So what's your point?

The wolves can attempt to kill whoever is King.

My point is wasting a scan and block on the king and then electing them the next day may not be the best idea. Your plan came off as being cut and dry, but I don't think we can simply say scan/block and then we have a cleared king and we look good.

[Danny]

Based on the way things are going down, I think it's unlikely Schmidty is a wolf. In general I think being the first king would be bad for the wolves.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Danny

Based on the way things are going down, I think it's unlikely Schmidty is a wolf. In general I think being the first king would be bad for the wolves.

i already said this 4 posts ago, but thanks for portraying it as your original thought

[Danny]

Originally Posted by saldana

i already said this 4 posts ago, but thanks for portraying it as your original thought

At least I didn't steal your lunch too.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Danny

My point is wasting a scan and block on the king and then electing them the next day may not be the best idea. Your plan came off as being cut and dry, but I don't think we can simply say scan/block and then we have a cleared king and we look good.

Well then how do you propose we find a trusted king then?

[RendeR]

Damn, is everybody having a case of the Monday's? You all sound like petulant children today =)

Vote JAIL BK

Two reasons for this: First he jumped out with a real early nomination of someone who has (in the past) had issues with being around, which until he stated that he has most of the week off made very little sense. Secondly, BK is a damn good player, if we jail him he's safely out of teh way and we can scan him until we know what he really is.

As for a King vote today, I really think we ought to have a bit of a runoff instead of everyone voting schmidty just cuz'. so to promote this I will:

VOTE DANNY KING

This is completely random on my part, I looked at who was in thread and picked the third guy that showed up.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Well then how do you propose we find a trusted king then?

I'm not sure we necessarily need to. We need to see how the mechanic plays out, but having a system where we rotate kings every X amount of days by lynching them might not be a bad idea. Especially since we certainly don't want the seer to have to reveal just to clear a king or not.

[MartinD]

VOTE DANNY KING

To try to get out of the 'runaway' scenario, more than anything.

[Lathum]

unvote Schmidty King
vote Danny King

I like the keep it close concept.

[USFLTecmo]

Vote Danny King

I've liked what I've seen out of him in my short time here.

[Schmidty]

GOOD MORNING!!!!!

Catching up as we speak!!

[Autumn]

Anyone have the vote count? My spreadsheet's not even started ;-)

[Danny]

Since it looks like it will be between Schmidty and I, I am going to keep my king vote off both of us for now. If late I am in the lead, I will elect myself. If Schmidty is in the lead, I will elect him. It gives us a good record to keep it close for now, but in the end we have to make sure there is no tie.

[Telle]

As of post #216:

1 - Passacaglia lynch - claphamsa (157)
2 - Barkeep jail - Lathum (177), RendeR (210)

King Election:
4 - Schmidty - Barkeep (78), Schmidty (142), Autumn (192), saldana (203)
1 - hoopsguy - Danny (110)
5 - Danny - Chief Rum (141), RendeR (210), MartinD (212), Lathum (213), USFLTechmo (214)
1 - Tyrith - claphamsa (162)

[Schmidty]

Damn.

My king dreams appear to be dying.

[Schmidty]

Question for dubb - Can the king be scanned by the Seer?


(I'll still go back and read the rules again though)

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Question for dubb - Can the king be scanned by the Seer?

No

[claphamsa]

unvote lynch pass
vote jail pass

[Autumn]

We've still got lots of votes to go, no need to consider it a done deal yet.

Any thoughts on the other vote? This seems a case where it makes more sense to jail a quiet/not checked in person by the end of the day. They get to submit articles and have a chance of getting back in the game.

On the other hand I could see jailing BK on the chance that he put up Schmidty for some nefarious reason. That seems unlikely though, really.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by dubb93

No

Ok. I guess that does make the starting King a goner after day 1 or 2.

[claphamsa]

still wanna be king

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

still wanna be king

Sure. I do not fear death!!!!

[Telle]

vote Schmidty king

If he's not night killed within a couple of days we'd be smart to lynch him ourselves, and then if he turns up wolf we have another likely candidate for lynching in Barkeep.

[Schmidty]

In a way, it would suck to be King because I know it would only be because everyone knows I'm expendable, but oh well. I'll just deal with it.

[SnDvls]

checking in

will read the thread in a bit, but wanted everyone to know I was here.

[Lathum]

jeez, sure got quiet

[RendeR]

SnDvls showed up, we can't talk around him, you know that. SHHHHHHHH!

[Passacaglia]

We're tied on the king vote now, right? And isn't a tie some sort of 'dire consequence' for the village? I'd rather the king be someone I don't like instead of a tie.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by Lathum

My king vote would be for sndvls. Really solid player who hasn't payed for a while and I would love to give him a cool role on his first game back.


that being said I also think we should kill the original King early. So I say the seer should scan sndvls N1 and if we haven't heard anything bad about him by D2-3 we elect him King.

thanks....I guess

I'd be up for this if it helped as I'm just a villager, but it sure would suck as a come back game.

Vote Jail Barkeep
Vote King Hoopsguy

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Okay, looking back at the rules it seems to make sense to me to jail for the first day at least. First day votes are random, and this gives some chance for the King to get a scan and free a villager or kill a wolf. Seems like the way to go to me.

I guess that the King vote should be based on activity, to my mind. We're probably not going to elect someone like Hoops, since though he'd be good at it he'd be just as good at it as a wolf. So, someone who tends to be around and vocal, but isn't considered dreadfully dangerous. If we don't want to go with the random idea.

ME!

[DaddyTorgo]

I <3 Schmidty. Be nice to him.

VOTE JAIL BARKEEP

no king vote yet

[Danny]

Right now we have BK in a runaway, I realize this is jail instead of a lynch, but I think we need to treat it as if it was a lynch. Let's make sure we make this a meaningful vote.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Danny

Right now we have BK in a runaway, I realize this is jail instead of a lynch, but I think we need to treat it as if it was a lynch. Let's make sure we make this a meaningful vote.

There is no downside to a lopsided jail vote. We jail him, we scan him, we decide what to do with him after that.

A lynch is a one way ticket, be it a good one or bad one.

[Passacaglia]

Not sure if I will be back at any point today, so here we go.


VOTE KING DANNY
VOTE JAIL CLAPHAMSA

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

There is no downside to a lopsided jail vote. We jail him, we scan him, we decide what to do with him after that.

A lynch is a one way ticket, be it a good one or bad one.

And we're going to trust the scan?

[Passacaglia]

And, why scan him if he's in jail -- why not just wait for the 20% to kick in, and use the scan on someone else? It's not particularly effective, but there's no risk of wasting a scan.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RendeR

There is no downside to a lopsided jail vote. We jail him, we scan him, we decide what to do with him after that.

A lynch is a one way ticket, be it a good one or bad one.

If we do that, we basically waste an entire day and only gain anything useful on one player. I would advise not scanning whatever player is jailed today. I also think we need meaningful voting records (not saying it has to be a lynch) as a runaway tells us nothing.

[RendeR]

Because by scanning him we canthen USE him, either as the next king or an immediate lynch vote, or at worst a basis for a CoT.

The 20% doesn't stack, it never gets better and 1-5 chances aren't good odds, why wait for it when we can do something else?

[RendeR]

I understand the idea of waiting for the 20% chance to hit, but what then? we just keep tossing people in jail? thats gonna make for a pretty boring game.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Because by scanning him we canthen USE him, either as the next king or an immediate lynch vote, or at worst a basis for a CoT.

And that can all be done with a player who is not in jail. Plus there is additional chance of someone in jail ending up killed or scanned by the king. Plus, it's not like the seer is going to come out on day two and let us know about the jailed player.

[hoopsguy]

I don't think the seer comes out to "clear" the person in jail, even if they do decide to scan him. So the person in jail is going to be there for at least a couple of days, depending on the whims of the king.

As far as the "lynch the King" every couple of days, I'm fine with that if elected. I'm not sure how much of an issue that is (my support, or lack thereof), but I've got a couple of votes for the position so I figured I might as well chime in on this. I'm also pretty sure of how I would handle my King repsonsibilities if put in office, but I'm not sure I want to share them just yet as it would be yielding info to the wolves that they could potentially use as part of their decision process.

Finally, I'm probably not going to be very high participation tomorrow. If that is a good enough reason to jail me over someone else, so be it. I would just hope that if I am sent to jail for that day that I get a "get out of jail free" pass at some point in the near future as I think I'll be around and active from Wed - Fri at the very least.

[dubb93]

Vote Count:

BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235)
Pass Jail - 1 - Clap (222)
Clap Jail - 1 - Pass (238)

King Election Count:

Danny - 6 - CR (141), Render (210), MartinD (212), Lathum (213), USFL (214), Pass (238)
Schmidty - 5 - Barkeep (78), Schmidty (142), Autumn (192), Saldana (203), Telle (226)
Hoops - 2 - Danny (110), SnDvls (223)
Tyrith - 1 - Clap (162)

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I understand the idea of waiting for the 20% chance to hit, but what then? we just keep tossing people in jail? thats gonna make for a pretty boring game.

I will say this, if I am king, I may not wait for a scan to remove a jailed player if I feel that player is likely to be a wolf. Since right now the collection of prisoners would be very small, I doubt that would happen, but at some point for me or other kings, I think this would be true.

[Schmidty]

Here's what I don't get. Let's say we jail a very good player like BK to see if he's clean, and he does end up being fine and ready to really help us out. Why would the wolves even let him live? Wouldn't it be like wasting a vote and another day?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Here's what I don't get. Let's say we jail a very good player like BK to see if he's clean, and he does end up being fine and ready to really help us out. Why would the wolves even let him live? Wouldn't it be like wasting a vote and another day?

I agree with this. I am fine with jailing over lynching, but we need to treat the jailing as if it was a lynch vote and would prefer scans to be on players not in jail.

[RendeR]

Yeah, I'm not real certain what the best way is to handle the jailing mechanic