Official 2009-2010 MLB Offseason Thread - Page 5

Lathum · 12-05-2009, 10:17 AM

I think it is a bad deal for the M's. Figgins will be 32 when the season starts and has only played one full season the last three. Four years for an injury prone, 32 year old guy is a lot. I think it may work out the first two years, but I can see them getting really stuck on the back end of this deal.

JPhillips · 12-05-2009, 08:49 PM

Sometimes it works to have two different sets of rules for stars and everybody else. This is Sparky's first spring training speech as told in Posnanski's new book on the Big Red Machine.

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"He announced that the Machine was made up of two different kinds of players. First, there were the superstars. To be more specific, Sparky said, there were four superstars - Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan, and Tony Perez. Those four made their own rules.... Those four were royalty.

"The rest of you," Sparky said, "are turds."

dawgfan · 12-06-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think it is a bad deal for the M's. Figgins will be 32 when the season starts and has only played one full season the last three. Four years for an injury prone, 32 year old guy is a lot. I think it may work out the first two years, but I can see them getting really stuck on the back end of this deal.

I'm not terribly concerned about that. Even considering the economic downturn, $9M per season for Figgins is likely undervaluing him. Even if he regresses a bit from last year's hitting numbers, he'll still be worth the money.

dawgfan · 12-06-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You'll really like him on a personal level, dawgfan. He's always been a good guy, a guy you root for. And he has really improved, a plus defender at 3B and 2B, and he could play SS or any OF spot as well and not embarass himself. Plus, the speed, of course, and his growth as a more patient hitter now. He turned himself from a slap hitter with speed to an elite level leadoff guy.

Him and Ichiro would be a fantastic 1-2 punch for the M's.

It's always cool to have guys that are easy to root for on a personal level - Edgar Martinez will always be beloved in Seattle for much more than his great hitting - but what really excites me about Figgins is getting another patient bat in the lineup and a good on-base guy for the top of the lineup.

I would suspect that Ichiro remains the leadoff hitter, but either way you go it's nice to have those two at the top of the lineup.

sterlingice · 12-06-2009, 10:43 AM

That got me thinking (Ichiro/Figgins). I think I'd rather have Figgins 1st and Ichiro 2nd. Figgins is about 10 points below Ichiro for career OBP but the spread between his BA and OBP is about 70 points where as Ichiro's is only 40 since he doesn't take many walks. So, over the course of the season, I think 10 points of OBP would be wiped out by the extra bases a fast runner like Figgins would take on an extra 30 points in hits.

SI

Chief Rum · 12-06-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

That got me thinking (Ichiro/Figgins). I think I'd rather have Figgins 1st and Ichiro 2nd. Figgins is about 10 points below Ichiro for career OBP but the spread between his BA and OBP is about 70 points where as Ichiro's is only 40 since he doesn't take many walks. So, over the course of the season, I think 10 points of OBP would be wiped out by the extra bases a fast runner like Figgins would take on an extra 30 points in hits.

SI

Also, although Ichiro is fast, too, and steals bases, he doesn't seem to create the kind of trepidation/fear from batteries that Figgins does, who is more along the lines of a Crawford or an Ellsbury in impression/impact. So Ichiro at the #2 would see a lot more fastballs. And he would be able to do more with them than Figgins. A lot of fastballs to Ichiro == nothing good for teams playing the M's.

Dr. Sak · 12-07-2009, 01:01 PM

So Pat Burrell has been reportedly traded to the Cubs who have in turn traded him to the Mets.

If true...poor Pat, he's gone from the Penthouse to the shithouse in little over a year.

Edit: There are some sources denying it so. Hopefully the denials are true.

Logan · 12-07-2009, 01:05 PM

Too bad we don't play in Shea anymore.

Lathum · 12-07-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Too bad we don't play in Shea anymore.

my thought exact.

RedKingGold · 12-07-2009, 01:33 PM

It'll be interesting to see how Philly fans treat Pat the Bat.

JS19 · 12-07-2009, 01:54 PM

I remember hearing a while ago about a deal involving the Cubs, Mets and Rays that involved Burrell, Bradley and Castillo. Pretty much just exchanging one problem for another.... wonder if there is any truth to it.

Atocep · 12-07-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JS19

I remember hearing a while ago about a deal involving the Cubs, Mets and Rays that involved Burrell, Bradley and Castillo. Pretty much just exchanging one problem for another.... wonder if there is any truth to it.

From what I read it was discussed a little, but nothing serious ever came of it. Every team seems to want the cubs to pay some of Bradley's salary and the Cubs are only offering around $5 million.

DeToxRox · 12-07-2009, 03:07 PM

1:54pm: Cryptic tweet from Ed Price of AOL FanHouse: "Rumor that Mets acquire Edwin Jackson." Price then updated that the rumor was "heard in the lobby" but not confirmed.

This will be interesting between Dombrowski and Minaya. Is it possible for both GM's to be raped in a trade?

Logan · 12-07-2009, 03:10 PM

Never a good sign for the acquiring team when an already young pitcher is being shopped for more young pitching, especially when it's coming off a 2nd half slide.

DeToxRox · 12-07-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Never a good sign for the acquiring team when an already young pitcher is being shopped for more young pitching, especially when it's coming off a 2nd half slide.

Jackson will be a fine 3 to 4 starter in the NL. Detroit doesn't want to pay him what he'll make in arbitration and he's a Boras guy so I doubt they wanted to even attempt to resign him.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-07-2009, 03:11 PM

A young pitcher that will then be on his fourth team.

Logan · 12-07-2009, 03:12 PM

If the Mets get him, I guarantee they pay more than 3/4 starter price.

DeToxRox · 12-07-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

If the Mets get him, I guarantee they pay more than 3/4 starter price.

Well do you have any young pitchers who touch 100 and need to develop secondary pitches or white middle infielders who are any good?

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-07-2009, 03:19 PM

FWIW Price is backing down hard on that one.

Logan · 12-07-2009, 03:20 PM

Well, David Wright's been hitting like a 1980s middle infielder recently...

DeToxRox · 12-07-2009, 03:39 PM

Sounds like it's not gonna be the Mets, but he will be gone pretty soon.

RomaGoth · 12-08-2009, 12:29 PM

Looks something was brewing with the Yankees, but they backed out.

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Granderson's price tag too high for Yankees

December 8, 2009 10:20 AM | No Comments

By Phil Rogers

INDIANAPOLIS -- No team has been more aggressive in its pursuit of Curtis Granderson than the Yankees. But they backed out of a three-way deal involving Detroit and Arizona when the demands expanded to include four players.

According to Jon Heyman of SI.com, the Tigers asked for center fielder Austin Jackson and three pitchers -- Phil Coke, Ian Kennedy and lefty Mike Dunn, who struck out 99 in 73 1-3 innings between Double-A and Triple-A.

The Cubs, Mariners and Angels also have had recent discussions with the Tigers about Granderson. Talks between the Tigers and the Cubs stalled over Detroit's interest in 19-year-old Starlin Castro.

cmp · 12-08-2009, 02:15 PM

It's looking like Granderson to the Yankees may be a done deal now. Detroit would get Austin Jackson and Phil Coke from New York and Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from Arizona. Arizona would get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy.

cmp · 12-08-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

It's looking like Granderson to the Yankees may be a done deal now. Detroit would get Austin Jackson and Phil Coke from New York and Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from Arizona. Arizona would get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy.

Well reports are now saying Schlereth may not be in the deal. Would be disappointing for me if he wasn't.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 12-08-2009, 02:25 PM

I'm seeing Schlereth still in the deal, per Ed Price a moment ago.

Atocep · 12-08-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

It's looking like Granderson to the Yankees may be a done deal now. Detroit would get Austin Jackson and Phil Coke from New York and Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from Arizona. Arizona would get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy.

If this is the deal then Detroit did really, really well here.

DeToxRox · 12-08-2009, 02:33 PM

I would like to take the time to thank Arizona for being utterly retarded and getting involved in a deal that made no sense from their perspective.

Without what they gave us, this is an awful deal for Grandy, but now with Mad Max (who I love) and Schlereth I am quite a fan.

Grandy is my favorite Tiger in many, many moons. Wish him the best in the Bronx.

ISiddiqui · 12-08-2009, 02:35 PM

Yep, not a bad haul by the Tigers there.

Mustang · 12-08-2009, 02:36 PM

I hope Arizona at least got a reach around included.

ISiddiqui · 12-08-2009, 02:40 PM

ESPN is saying:

Sources: Trade sending Curtis Granderson to New York Yankees nearing completion - ESPN

Arizona just giving up Scherzer and not Schlereth.

DeToxRox · 12-08-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

ESPN is saying:

Sources: Trade sending Curtis Granderson to New York Yankees nearing completion - ESPN

Arizona just giving up Scherzer and not Schlereth.

Interesting. Sure hope it's not the case. It'd be a bad time for an ESPN report to actually be true.

MrBug708 · 12-08-2009, 02:46 PM

Way to go Tigers!

cmp · 12-08-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Interesting. Sure hope it's not the case. It'd be a bad time for an ESPN report to actually be true.

Gammons just said Schlereth is in the deal. MLB.com is also saying Schlereth is a part of it.

RomaGoth · 12-08-2009, 02:46 PM

I like this move from a Yankees standpoint. Now we don't feel compelled to bring back Damon as a position player, and Granderson is in his prime, right when this team is stacked to win.

I hope Austin Jackson turns into a good player for the Tigers.

DeToxRox · 12-08-2009, 02:47 PM

If Schrlreth is in the deal, MLBTR has it mentioned that the four players are going to be under Tigers control for a combined 22 years. That is a huge, huge aspect to this deal.

DeToxRox · 12-08-2009, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by cmp

Gammons just said Schlereth is in the deal. MLB.com is also saying Schlereth is a part of it.

Figured. I think it was obvious the Tigs wanted to replace the two holes in the pen with any move so a fourth guy had to be in it.

DeToxRox · 12-08-2009, 02:49 PM

The other interesting thing now is that the Tigers have 4 lefties in their bullpen. Seems like an overkill although Seay and Coke are both guys who can come in vs righties. Only Ni seems like a LOOGY.

BishopMVP · 12-08-2009, 03:45 PM

Dammit. Good deal for the Yankees. Even if Jackson and Kennedy are solid 3/4 starters with deflated numbers from pitching in the NL west I agree it makes little to no sense from Arizona's perspective.

Galaril · 12-08-2009, 04:09 PM

Great deal for Yankees damn it. They gave up good prospects but nothing they can't replace or anything that negatively alters the team on the field from last season . I hope the Sox get a move on and sign Matt Holiday. I would like them to get Gonzalez from San Diego also. Plus they need a decent starter not necessarily a ace but a #3 would be good. Halladay is too rich for my blood.

DaddyTorgo · 12-08-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Great deal for Yankees damn it. They gave up good prospects but nothing they can't replace or anything that negatively alters the team on the field from last season . I hope the Sox get a move on and sign Matt Holiday. I would like them to get Gonzalez from San Diego also. Plus they need a decent starter not necessarily a ace but a #3 would be good. Halladay is too rich for my blood.

you'd rather holiday than bay?

i guess i haven't dug in and done enough research to know (to my shame), but is holiday an upgrade over bay, or just a bigger "name?". fine...5 minutes of research shows me that they're basically identical players offensively. give me whoever will come cheaper please.

i'd also like to see gonzalez, but i don't think he's moving. price for halladay is also too rich for me...concentrate on what you've got and a reclamation-project or three for short money (Ben Sheets?).

Atocep · 12-08-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you'd rather holiday than bay?

i guess i haven't dug in and done enough research to know (to my shame), but is holiday an upgrade over bay, or just a bigger "name?"

i'd also like to see gonzalez, but i don't think he's moving. price for halladay is also too rich for me...concentrate on what you've got and a reclamation-project or three for short money.

Holliday is easily an upgrade over Bay.

McSweeny · 12-08-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you'd rather holiday than bay?

i guess i haven't dug in and done enough research to know (to my shame), but is holiday an upgrade over bay, or just a bigger "name?"

i'd also like to see gonzalez, but i don't think he's moving. price for halladay is also too rich for me...concentrate on what you've got and a reclamation-project or three for short money.

Holliday, at worst, is a league average fielder. Bay is at the very least a below average fielder and if you buy into some of the advanced fielding metrics, he's one of the worst fielders in the leauge. I know that from just watching Bay for a season and a half his defense leaves a lot to be desired.

BishopMVP · 12-08-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you'd rather holiday than bay?

i guess i haven't dug in and done enough research to know (to my shame), but is holiday an upgrade over bay, or just a bigger "name?"

Holliday's a year younger and far better defensively than Bay (i.e. league average or slightly better). Bay has "proven he can hit in Boston" - I personally don't think Holliday would have an issue like Renteria did. We'd also gain a 1st and 1st round supplemental in exchange for a 2nd if sign Holliday instead of Bay. But really the main difference is going to be contract length. If we could get Bay for 3 or Holliday for 5 I would love it, but since this is likely the last big deal for each they both obviously want more years. Bay seems to be garnering more interest at the price they're floating, so it's quite possible we could leverage Holliday down if Bay signs with the Angels/Mariners now that the Yankees are out, but Boras is his agent so it wouldn't be easy or quick.

McSweeny · 12-08-2009, 04:26 PM

dola

2009 OPS+

Holliday - 139
Bay - 134

so you could say they're close to a wash offensively. Holliday is a year and a half younger and a far better fielder. My biggest fear is giving Bay 17 million a year for 4 or 5 years and then watching his defense continue to deteriorate to the point that he's basically a 17 million dollar DH in two years.

DaddyTorgo · 12-08-2009, 04:30 PM

fair enough

RomaGoth · 12-08-2009, 05:00 PM

Gammons is leaving ESPN

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Gammons, 64, leaving ESPN

ESPN.com

Peter Gammons is leaving ESPN following the end of baseball's winter meetings this week.

Gammons
Gammons, who joined ESPN in 1989 after a distinguished print journalism career with the Boston Globe and Sports Illustrated, has decided to pursue other endeavors.
"My decision to leave ESPN and move on at this point in my life has been conflicted," said Gammons in a statement. "I owe a great deal of my professional life to ESPN, having spent more than half of my 40 years in journalism working for the network, and the choice to move on was made with nothing but the strongest feelings for the people with whom I worked. ESPN gave me a great deal more than I gave it, and will always be a huge part of who I am."
Gammons, 64, was named the 2004 J.G. Taylor Spink Award winner for outstanding baseball writing during the 2005 Hall of Fame induction ceremony.
"As a print journalist moving to television, Peter was a pioneer who became a Hall of Famer," said Norby Williamson, ESPN's executive vice president, production. "His contributions to ESPN will never be forgotten. We're sad to see Peter go, but understand his desire for new challenges and a less demanding schedule."

RedKingGold · 12-08-2009, 05:29 PM

I'm actually pretty sad about that. Liked Gammons a lot.

DanGarion · 12-08-2009, 05:36 PM

MLBtv?

Atocep · 12-08-2009, 05:36 PM

Gammon has annoyed me. The way he was a PR person for the Red Sox was tiresome and he seemed to have grown quite a hatred for the statistical community in recent years.

Despite that, the guy did a lot for baseball sportswriting (which could also be bad or good I guess).

samifan24 · 12-08-2009, 11:02 PM

Gammons will be working for NESN and the MLB Network next season per the Globe's Amalie Benjamin.

12-06-2009, 10:43 AM	#205
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	That got me thinking (Ichiro/Figgins). I think I'd rather have Figgins 1st and Ichiro 2nd. Figgins is about 10 points below Ichiro for career OBP but the spread between his BA and OBP is about 70 points where as Ichiro's is only 40 since he doesn't take many walks. So, over the course of the season, I think 10 points of OBP would be wiped out by the extra bases a fast runner like Figgins would take on an extra 30 points in hits. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-07-2009, 01:01 PM	#207
Dr. Sak Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Stuck in Yinzerville, PA	So Pat Burrell has been reportedly traded to the Cubs who have in turn traded him to the Mets. If true...poor Pat, he's gone from the Penthouse to the shithouse in little over a year. Edit: There are some sources denying it so. Hopefully the denials are true. Last edited by Dr. Sak : 12-07-2009 at 01:03 PM.

12-07-2009, 03:11 PM	#216
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	A young pitcher that will then be on his fourth team. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

12-07-2009, 03:19 PM	#219
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	FWIW Price is backing down hard on that one. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

12-08-2009, 02:15 PM	#223
cmp Pro Rookie Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Grand Rapids, MI	It's looking like Granderson to the Yankees may be a done deal now. Detroit would get Austin Jackson and Phil Coke from New York and Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from Arizona. Arizona would get Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy. Last edited by cmp : 12-08-2009 at 02:16 PM.

12-05-2009, 10:17 AM	#201
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think it is a bad deal for the M's. Figgins will be 32 when the season starts and has only played one full season the last three. Four years for an injury prone, 32 year old guy is a lot. I think it may work out the first two years, but I can see them getting really stuck on the back end of this deal.

12-07-2009, 01:05 PM	#208
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Too bad we don't play in Shea anymore.

12-07-2009, 01:33 PM	#210
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	It'll be interesting to see how Philly fans treat Pat the Bat.

12-07-2009, 01:54 PM	#211
JS19 College Prospect Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NY	I remember hearing a while ago about a deal involving the Cubs, Mets and Rays that involved Burrell, Bradley and Castillo. Pretty much just exchanging one problem for another.... wonder if there is any truth to it.

12-07-2009, 03:07 PM	#213
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	1:54pm: Cryptic tweet from Ed Price of AOL FanHouse: "Rumor that Mets acquire Edwin Jackson." Price then updated that the rumor was "heard in the lobby" but not confirmed. This will be interesting between Dombrowski and Minaya. Is it possible for both GM's to be raped in a trade?

12-07-2009, 03:10 PM	#214
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Never a good sign for the acquiring team when an already young pitcher is being shopped for more young pitching, especially when it's coming off a 2nd half slide.

12-07-2009, 03:12 PM	#217
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	If the Mets get him, I guarantee they pay more than 3/4 starter price.

12-07-2009, 03:20 PM	#220
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Well, David Wright's been hitting like a 1980s middle infielder recently...

12-07-2009, 03:39 PM	#221
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Sounds like it's not gonna be the Mets, but he will be gone pretty soon.

12-08-2009, 02:25 PM	#225
Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	I'm seeing Schlereth still in the deal, per Ed Price a moment ago. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

12-08-2009, 02:33 PM	#227
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I would like to take the time to thank Arizona for being utterly retarded and getting involved in a deal that made no sense from their perspective. Without what they gave us, this is an awful deal for Grandy, but now with Mad Max (who I love) and Schlereth I am quite a fan. Grandy is my favorite Tiger in many, many moons. Wish him the best in the Bronx.

12-08-2009, 02:35 PM	#228
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	Yep, not a bad haul by the Tigers there. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-08-2009, 02:36 PM	#229
Mustang Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wisconsin	I hope Arizona at least got a reach around included. __________________ You, you will regret what you have done this day. I will make you regret ever being born. Your going to wish you never left your mothers womb, where it was warm and safe... and wet. i am going to show you pain you never knew existed, you are going to see a whole new spectrum of pain, like a Rainboooow. But! This rainbow is not just like any other rainbow, its...

12-08-2009, 02:40 PM	#230
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	ESPN is saying: Sources: Trade sending Curtis Granderson to New York Yankees nearing completion - ESPN Arizona just giving up Scherzer and not Schlereth. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-08-2009, 02:46 PM	#232
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Way to go Tigers!

12-08-2009, 02:46 PM	#234
RomaGoth Favored Bitch #2 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Here	I like this move from a Yankees standpoint. Now we don't feel compelled to bring back Damon as a position player, and Granderson is in his prime, right when this team is stacked to win. I hope Austin Jackson turns into a good player for the Tigers.

12-08-2009, 02:47 PM	#235
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	If Schrlreth is in the deal, MLBTR has it mentioned that the four players are going to be under Tigers control for a combined 22 years. That is a huge, huge aspect to this deal.

12-08-2009, 02:49 PM	#237
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	The other interesting thing now is that the Tigers have 4 lefties in their bullpen. Seems like an overkill although Seay and Coke are both guys who can come in vs righties. Only Ni seems like a LOOGY.

12-08-2009, 03:45 PM	#238
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Dammit. Good deal for the Yankees. Even if Jackson and Kennedy are solid 3/4 starters with deflated numbers from pitching in the NL west I agree it makes little to no sense from Arizona's perspective.

12-08-2009, 04:09 PM	#239
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	Great deal for Yankees damn it. They gave up good prospects but nothing they can't replace or anything that negatively alters the team on the field from last season . I hope the Sox get a move on and sign Matt Holiday. I would like them to get Gonzalez from San Diego also. Plus they need a decent starter not necessarily a ace but a #3 would be good. Halladay is too rich for my blood. Last edited by Galaril : 12-08-2009 at 04:12 PM.

12-08-2009, 04:26 PM	#244
McSweeny College Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Somerville, MA	dola 2009 OPS+ Holliday - 139 Bay - 134 so you could say they're close to a wash offensively. Holliday is a year and a half younger and a far better fielder. My biggest fear is giving Bay 17 million a year for 4 or 5 years and then watching his defense continue to deteriorate to the point that he's basically a 17 million dollar DH in two years.

12-08-2009, 04:30 PM	#245
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	fair enough __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

12-08-2009, 05:29 PM	#247
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	I'm actually pretty sad about that. Liked Gammons a lot.

12-08-2009, 05:36 PM	#248
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	MLBtv? __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

12-08-2009, 05:36 PM	#249
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Gammon has annoyed me. The way he was a PR person for the Red Sox was tiresome and he seemed to have grown quite a hatred for the statistical community in recent years. Despite that, the guy did a lot for baseball sportswriting (which could also be bad or good I guess).

12-08-2009, 11:02 PM	#250
samifan24 Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NC	Gammons will be working for NESN and the MLB Network next season per the Globe's Amalie Benjamin. __________________ "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton

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