Werewolf XXXIII: To Crown a King 2 (Game Over) - Page 5

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:21 PM

If his faction has a secret signal, and she has not posted since the start of the day, then ipso facto she has not confirmed herself as being in his faction.

Note that he said, "as far as I can tell".

BrianD · 09-26-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

A major victory is both no free assassins and one's own faction (not necessarily the leader) crowned king.

Getting one's own faction crowned will only result in a "normal" victory.

The leader is the only person who can be crowned. If one leader is killed, someone else becomes the leader.

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

A major victory is both no free assassins and one's own faction (not necessarily the leader) crowned king.

Getting one's own faction crowned will only result in a "normal" victory.

I just looked that up to verify and your correct. Crowing your own king or killing all assasins both result in a normal victory. A major requires what you stated. I apologize if my post mislead anyone

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If his faction has a secret signal, and she has not posted since the start of the day, then ipso facto she has not confirmed herself as being in his faction.

Note that he said, "as far as I can tell".

Maybe their faction message was "dont post tomorrow...miss the vote"

JOKE^^^^

WVUFAN · 09-26-2006, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianD

To be fair, you get your leader crowned (faction win) by killing assassins. Those goals aren't sequential, they are tied together.

Yeah, but killing assassin won't necessarily guarantee that the faction I belong to will be crowed, just A leader will be. My point, though, wasn't that we shouldn't be trying to further our faction, but rather that the emphasis should be killing the assassins.

Are we agreed on that?

Chief Rum · 09-26-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Now, that's a very interesting point.

Agreed. Although, personally, I wouldn't mind if this turns against Blade (as it has with WVU switching), because then I no longer have the first vote on the highest vote getter. That said, if it switches back to hoops, I see no reason yet to change it. I don't think either is a baddie, but such is the crapitude that is the Day 1 vote.

st.cronin · 09-26-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, Post #188:

How do you know she is not in your faction when she has not posted since the start of the day?

I do not know she is not in my faction. I said as far as I can tell she is not in my faction. I reserve the right to change my vote when/if she posts.

If you remember what happened to me in Barkeep's last game, you should be able to read between the lines of what I'm saying.

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WVUFAN

Yeah, but killing assassin won't necessarily guarantee that the faction I belong to will be crowed, just A leader will be. My point, though, wasn't that we shouldn't be trying to further our faction, but rather that the emphasis should be killing the assassins.

Are we agreed on that?

I think killing the assasins is what is going to get your leader crowned, as you gain points by killing assasins. He is right, they are one-and-the-same

bulletsponge · 09-26-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Cronin, Post #188:

How do you know she is not in your faction when she has not posted since the start of the day?

do the assassins know each other? if so i think cronin just made a feudian slip. he just moved up my most likely assassin list

Vote Cronin time to go to jail

st.cronin · 09-26-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bulletsponge

do the assassins know each other? if so i think cronin just made a feudian slip. he just moved up my most likely assassin list

Vote Cronin time to go to jail

lol ... amazing

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 05:28 PM

Bullet, the assassins do know each other.

Cronin, going to refresh my memory of last game - it is a short one so this should not take too long.

WVUFAN · 09-26-2006, 05:29 PM

Wait .. I just read the rules, and it doesn't say anything about the assassins knowing each other.

Barkeep, can we get a rules clarification on this?

bulletsponge · 09-26-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

lol ... amazing

yes, yes i am

st.cronin · 09-26-2006, 05:30 PM

hoops, when I said "what happened to me" I was really referring to what happened to my faction on day 1...

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:30 PM

bulletsponge, the assassins all know each other and are allowed to communicate privately, typ. by PM but it's also been done by IM.

The faction members know only the faction leaders, but hoops has posited that at least one faction is attempting to use code embedded in posts to reveal themselves to their faction leader and each other. Given that this has occurred in the previous iteration of this game, that's a very likely supposition, though it does not necessarily indicate anything of hoops because he could remember it from that game.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:31 PM

dola, I suppose it's possible the assassins don't know one another, but that would be highly unusual for one of these games. That's their advantage, to counteract the disadvantage of being heavily outnumbered.

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 05:32 PM

From the Rules:

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Assassins Powers and Roles

The Assassins may freely communicate with each other.

Chief Rum · 09-26-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

hoops, when I said "what happened to me" I was really referring to what happened to my faction on day 1...

st. cropnin, a lot of us weren't in that game. Could you do us a favor and give us a quick recap on what you're hinting at?

bulletsponge · 09-26-2006, 05:33 PM

well im sticking by my vote for sure now. its as good as anyones right now

Fouts · 09-26-2006, 05:38 PM

Lot of stuff being thrown around, but this looks interesting. Wouldn't you know at least 1 person in your faction?

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Originally Posted by BrianD

I may be missing something in the rules, but would people in his faction even know him?

I'm not sure about blade, but it did appear like he was trying to latch onto a code. Not sure who to vote for yet, as half the people haven't even checked in.

st.cronin · 09-26-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

st. cropnin, a lot of us weren't in that game. Could you do us a favor and give us a quick recap on what you're hinting at?

I'll just say that there are probably people in my faction who have posted, but it's impossible for me to say for sure about anybody. There are a couple of reasons why that's possible - either the "code" was too common, and has been used by more people than it's likely are in my faction, or else the "code" was too confusing, and has been mangled by people, or else there was no "code" and our fearless leader gave some other guidance which I am unable to make (public) use of.

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 05:46 PM

Going from memory, and a quick read of the first 150 posts in that game, I think Cronin had a Night 0 message that was pretty confusing for him.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Lot of stuff being thrown around, but this looks interesting. Wouldn't you know at least 1 person in your faction?

If you look at the parent in context, this is a non sequitur. Blade was discussed as a possible faction member, in which case, outside of codes arranged by the faction leader, no-one would know him.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:47 PM

Dola and somewhat OT, I love the new vB feature taking you back to the quoted post... it was always such a royal pain to try to go back and look up the full post that somebody quoted in these games.

Fouts · 09-26-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If you look at the parent in context, this is a non sequitur. Blade was discussed as a possible faction member, in which case, outside of codes arranged by the faction leader, no-one would know him.

Got it. I guess thats why hoops was asking for acknowledgement.

BTW, why do you keep using italics?

Qwikshot · 09-26-2006, 05:48 PM

Checking in

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If you look at the parent in context, this is a non sequitur. Blade was discussed as a possible faction member, in which case, outside of codes arranged by the faction leader, no-one would know him.

To clarify, this is assuming that Blade is not a faction leader himself.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

Got it. I guess thats why hoops was asking for acknowledgement.

BTW, why do you keep using italics?

It's something I commonly do for emphasis. I've done bold on a couple of occasions as well. Hopefully, there isn't another faction using italics as a code that now mistakenly thinks I'm one of their own.

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Going from memory, and a quick read of the first 150 posts in that game, I think Cronin had a Night 0 message that was pretty confusing for him.

I just checked, and his faction won the game...so dont feel too bad for him

Fouts · 09-26-2006, 05:50 PM

I can understand italics being a code, but in every post? That's just silly. It's begging for others to suspect you.

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fouts

I can understand italics being a code, but in every post? That's just silly. It's begging for others to suspect you.

I use italics much as i assumed he was doing. To emphasize key points. I find bolding to be rather distracting from the rest of the post, and underlining to make the post seem jumbled. I use it on a fairly regular basis when i have points i want noticed

st.cronin · 09-26-2006, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fouts

I can understand italics being a code, but in every post? That's just silly. It's begging for others to suspect you.

I agree ... !!!!

Ok, now I'm just being silly.

Fouts · 09-26-2006, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I use italics much as i assumed he was doing. To emphasize key points. I find bolding to be rather distracting from the rest of the post, and underlining to make the post seem jumbled. I use it on a fairly regular basis when i have points i want noticed

So you are insinuating that he has a key point in every post today? Interesting.

bulletsponge · 09-26-2006, 05:59 PM

i hope nobody spots my smiley code

Barkeep49 · 09-26-2006, 06:02 PM

Want to post an important clarification:

It is possible for the game to end before all assassins are dead. If that is the case you only win IF your faction leader was crowned king or if a faction that is tolerated by your faction had its leader crowned king. This means that it is possible for some villagers to win and others to lose.

On the otherhand, it is also possible to kill all the assassins and not have any faction earn enough points to crown its leader king. In that case all surviving villagers get a normal victory, with the dead ones getting a "minor" victory.

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 06:02 PM

I most certainly do not have a key point in every post. I'm pretty sure that, at most, it's every other post.

(Note -- I repressed my impulse to use bold or italics in this post.

)

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 06:03 PM

I would like to say congratulations on the victory to Faction B...Barkeep has run this game twice before, and both times that faction reigned supreme. So i assume it shall happen again

Lorena · 09-26-2006, 06:03 PM

Well, we'll be leaving shortly and I'm not entirely sure when we're coming back. So my completely random vote:

Jail ntndeacon

C-yall later.

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 06:04 PM

How do people feel about trusted lists at this point? I've got what I feel is a pretty strong one emerging.

UNVOTE BLADE6119
VOTE BULLETSPONGE

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 06:06 PM

Correcting my voting syntax. Bullet is casting a vote right now for a player that I trust in this game.

UNVOTE JAIL BLADE6119
VOTE JAIL BULLETSPONGE

Greyroofoo · 09-26-2006, 06:06 PM

i must've missed something

why bulletsponge?

Mr. Wednesday · 09-26-2006, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

How do people feel about trusted lists at this point? I've got what I feel is a pretty strong one emerging.

I prefer to keep mine on the dl for a day or two... no sense in giving the assassins free targets.

Blade6119 · 09-26-2006, 06:07 PM

Vote count?

bulletsponge · 09-26-2006, 06:08 PM

beats me

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 06:08 PM

Grey, I explained it in the next post. His vote for Cronin is for someone I trust.

I'm moving away from Blade because subsequent posts have moved me away from the ellipsis theory. Blade is now aligned with a emerging trust group (not the strongest one, in terms of certainty) in my mind.

hoopsguy · 09-26-2006, 06:09 PM

Here is what I show for the vote count, as of Post #245:

Blade 3 -- Anxiety (139), MrW (179), WVU (193)
Hoops 2 -- Rum (135), Blade (176)
LSG 1 -- Cronin (188)
Cronin 1 -- Bullet (209)
Bullet 1 -- Hoops (240)
Ntdeacon 1 -- DC (238)

Greyroofoo · 09-26-2006, 06:10 PM

sorry, didn't see the 2nd post before I posted

st.cronin · 09-26-2006, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

How do people feel about trusted lists at this point? I've got what I feel is a pretty strong one emerging.

UNVOTE BLADE6119
VOTE BULLETSPONGE

Well, I'm not really sold on anybody yet.

Barkeep49 · 09-26-2006, 06:11 PM

I have the following vote order

Quote:

Chief Rum Hoopsguy
Anxiety Blade
Blade6119 hoopsguy
Mr. Wednesday Blade
st.cronin Lonestar
WVUFan Blade
Bulletsponge Cronin
Dodgerchick Ntndeacon
Hoopsguy Bulletsponge

Which leads to:
Blade 3 -- Anxiety, Mr. W, WVU
Hoopsguy 2 -- Rum, Blade
Lonestar 1 -- cronin
Cronin 1 -- Bullet
NTN 1 -- Dodgerchick
Bulletsponge 1 -- Hoopsguy

Barkeep49 · 09-26-2006, 06:12 PM

Damn hoopsguy and his efficient vote counting!

Edit: Still no votes from

Lonestargirl
Bek
Ntndeacon
Greyroofoo
Qwikshot
Lathum
BrianD
King
RealDeal
Fouts

09-26-2006, 05:21 PM	#201
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	If his faction has a secret signal, and she has not posted since the start of the day, then ipso facto she has not confirmed herself as being in his faction. Note that he said, "as far as I can tell". __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-26-2006, 05:29 PM	#212
WVUFAN College Starter Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Huntington, WV	Wait .. I just read the rules, and it doesn't say anything about the assassins knowing each other. Barkeep, can we get a rules clarification on this? __________________

09-26-2006, 05:30 PM	#214
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	hoops, when I said "what happened to me" I was really referring to what happened to my faction on day 1... __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

09-26-2006, 05:30 PM	#215
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	bulletsponge, the assassins all know each other and are allowed to communicate privately, typ. by PM but it's also been done by IM. The faction members know only the faction leaders, but hoops has posited that at least one faction is attempting to use code embedded in posts to reveal themselves to their faction leader and each other. Given that this has occurred in the previous iteration of this game, that's a very likely supposition, though it does not necessarily indicate anything of hoops because he could remember it from that game. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-26-2006, 05:31 PM	#216
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	dola, I suppose it's possible the assassins don't know one another, but that would be highly unusual for one of these games. That's their advantage, to counteract the disadvantage of being heavily outnumbered. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-26-2006, 05:28 PM	#211
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bullet, the assassins do know each other. Cronin, going to refresh my memory of last game - it is a short one so this should not take too long.

09-26-2006, 05:33 PM	#219
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	well im sticking by my vote for sure now. its as good as anyones right now

09-26-2006, 05:46 PM	#222
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Going from memory, and a quick read of the first 150 posts in that game, I think Cronin had a Night 0 message that was pretty confusing for him.

09-26-2006, 05:47 PM	#224
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Dola and somewhat OT, I love the new vB feature taking you back to the quoted post... it was always such a royal pain to try to go back and look up the full post that somebody quoted in these games. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-26-2006, 05:48 PM	#226
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Checking in __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

09-26-2006, 05:50 PM	#230
Fouts College Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California	I can understand italics being a code, but in every post? That's just silly. It's begging for others to suspect you.

09-26-2006, 05:59 PM	#234
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	i hope nobody spots my smiley code

09-26-2006, 06:02 PM	#235
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Want to post an important clarification: It is possible for the game to end before all assassins are dead. If that is the case you only win IF your faction leader was crowned king or if a faction that is tolerated by your faction had its leader crowned king. This means that it is possible for some villagers to win and others to lose. On the otherhand, it is also possible to kill all the assassins and not have any faction earn enough points to crown its leader king. In that case all surviving villagers get a normal victory, with the dead ones getting a "minor" victory.

09-26-2006, 06:02 PM	#236
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I most certainly do not have a key point in every post. I'm pretty sure that, at most, it's every other post. (Note -- I repressed my impulse to use bold or italics in this post. ) __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

09-26-2006, 06:03 PM	#237
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	I would like to say congratulations on the victory to Faction B...Barkeep has run this game twice before, and both times that faction reigned supreme. So i assume it shall happen again __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

09-26-2006, 06:03 PM	#238
Lorena Unregistered Join Date: May 2004	Well, we'll be leaving shortly and I'm not entirely sure when we're coming back. So my completely random vote: Jail ntndeacon C-yall later.

09-26-2006, 06:04 PM	#239
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	How do people feel about trusted lists at this point? I've got what I feel is a pretty strong one emerging. UNVOTE BLADE6119 VOTE BULLETSPONGE

09-26-2006, 06:06 PM	#240
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Correcting my voting syntax. Bullet is casting a vote right now for a player that I trust in this game. UNVOTE JAIL BLADE6119 VOTE JAIL BULLETSPONGE

09-26-2006, 06:06 PM	#241
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	i must've missed something why bulletsponge?

09-26-2006, 06:07 PM	#243
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	Vote count? __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

09-26-2006, 06:08 PM	#244
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	beats me

09-26-2006, 06:08 PM	#245
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Grey, I explained it in the next post. His vote for Cronin is for someone I trust. I'm moving away from Blade because subsequent posts have moved me away from the ellipsis theory. Blade is now aligned with a emerging trust group (not the strongest one, in terms of certainty) in my mind.

09-26-2006, 06:09 PM	#246
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Here is what I show for the vote count, as of Post #245: Blade 3 -- Anxiety (139), MrW (179), WVU (193) Hoops 2 -- Rum (135), Blade (176) LSG 1 -- Cronin (188) Cronin 1 -- Bullet (209) Bullet 1 -- Hoops (240) Ntdeacon 1 -- DC (238)

09-26-2006, 06:10 PM	#247
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	sorry, didn't see the 2nd post before I posted

09-26-2006, 06:12 PM	#250
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Damn hoopsguy and his efficient vote counting! Edit: Still no votes from Lonestargirl Bek Ntndeacon Greyroofoo Qwikshot Lathum BrianD King RealDeal Fouts Last edited by Barkeep49 : 09-26-2006 at 06:13 PM.

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