2013-14 NBA Offseason/Draft Thread

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't know if this quote actually happened or if someone was trying to be funny but if so .... Noel allegedly said (in response to being told he was traded)

“It’s a great organization. They’ve got an All-Star point guard in Jrue Holiday.”

[Groundhog]

I just don't trust any PG over 6'4.

[Groundhog]

Bizzare pick by Thunder. I really don't get the Adams hype, and that's not just because he's a bloody Kiwi.

[Galaxy]

18 kids??

[Groundhog]

Sounds like Hawks are going after the Mavs #13. That's disappointing, I'd love the Cavs to pickup Olynyk here.

[Izulde]

Adams is a terrible pick for the Thunder. Why not go with someone a lot more ready like Olynk?

[Lathum]

Rumor is the MAvs are drafting Adams sister with this pic

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Izulde

Adams is a terrible pick for the Thunder. Why not go with someone a lot more ready like Olynk?

The Harden trade is going to go down as one of the worst in league history. First the Raptors pick is nowhere near as high as you expected and then you blow it on Adams, who probably isn't going to be good for a while if ever.

[Groundhog]

Celtics trade for Olynyk. Great pickup for them.

[bulletsponge]

god i want someone to punch david stern. hes as annoying, arrogant and smug as john cena

[mckerney]

Ugh. This doesn't make trading Burke seem any better.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by oykib

You don't get something for nothing. Boston just got taken. Not only did they get basically nothing for all the frontline talent on their team besides Rondo, they actively took back Gerald Wallace's terrible contract. There's no rule that said that they had to trade these guys. NJ either gives you something useful or you don't make a deal. The only useful trade piece NJ has is Lopez. Mid-to-late first rounders are not worth much in the NBA. There's no reason to take back fifteen cents on the dollar.

I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Again, no team is going to give up young, excellent talent for guys who are 35+. Thinking that somehow Pierce and Garnett is going to net you someone like Lopez? You might as well think that PP/Garnett is going to net you James and Wade. It's absurd and you suggesting it loses you all credibility.

Also take into consideration that the Cs really need to make a deal. Pierce and Garnett don't really help the team by playing this year. Yes, a healthy Rondo + Pierce + Garnett might get a couple of games over .500, but what does that really do? Nada. So if you need to move them AND you need to work around cap issues AND you need hope for the future AND you need to work around Garnett's no trade, the options are extremely limited.

Finally, you have no idea whatsoever where the picks wind up. By 2014, Williams and Johnson are both in their 30s. Garnett and Pierce may as well be retired. That pick could be decent. By 2016 and 2018, those picks could be mid-1sts, but it's just as likely those picks may be top-5. After all, Williams will be approaching his mid-30s and Johnson, Garnett and Pierce may very well be out of the league. So 15 cents on the dollar? You have no idea.

Me? I can deal with Wallace's contract for a couple of years. The team isn't going anywhere in that time anyway. And I'll take the 20th pick in 2014 with the chance that the 2016 and 2018 picks may very well be lottery picks. That gives the team a lot of trade chips to rebuild. Rebuilding in the NBA is like playing the lottery and the more chances you have at young premium talent, the better off you are.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by korme

He corrected it. It's Holiday for Noel and the Pelicans' 14 1st rounder. Is Vazquez a FA? Who starts at PG in Philly? I'm confused.

I love how Woj did a typo and then everyone reported it and then he corrected himself and everyone did the same. People are just camping on his Twitter feed

SI

[molson]

If all those Nets 1st round picks are unprotected, that is a way bigger haul than I expected for Garnett and Pierce.

[Izulde]

Shabazz to Minny.

[Groundhog]

Shabazz at #14 is pretty good value IMO.

[sterlingice]

Same

SI

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Celtics trade for Olynyk. Great pickup for them.

Not sure how he will work out defensively, but he would seem to be a perfect kind of guy to work with Rondo in the two-man game. Now if they could get Fab Melo to pan out from a rebounding/defensive perspective, then they'd have a good combo in the middle (not even counting Sully, whose skill set should pair well with Olynyk).

[Galaxy]

Boston seems to be loading up on centers.

[MrBug708]

Shabazz will work out well for Minnesota. He's a scorer and has a good passer in Rubio

[korme]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Shabazz at #14 is pretty good value IMO.

Pretty sure I'm more athletic than Shabazz Muhammad.

Loving the Giannis Antetokounmpo highlight tape. Looks long and athletic. But I never wanna type his name again.

[korme]

Originally Posted by Galaxy

Boston seems to be loading up on centers.

It's going to Atlanta via Dallas by way of Boston

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Do they even have one? Fab Melo couldn't make it out of the D-league and if Garnett is gone, who else is left beyond the new rookie?

Sullinger

[JonInMiddleGA]

Ah the comedy of an Atlanta Hawks draft.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Sullinger

Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?

[Groundhog]

I kinda like Schroeder. Only seen highlights, but he looks like a pretty legit speedy PG prospect.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I just don't trust any PG over 6'4.

There was this guy named Magic...

[Groundhog]

Originally Posted by cartman

There was this guy named Magic...

But he's literally the only one. Every couple of years one comes along, none of them ever seem to pan out.

[Izulde]

Schroeder is interesting.

[MrBug708]

Originally Posted by korme

Pretty sure I'm more athletic than Shabazz Muhammad.

Crazy talk

[Izulde]

Larkin is a great pickup at #18 IMO.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

I kinda like Schroeder. Only seen highlights, but he looks like a pretty legit speedy PG prospect.

I was thinking more of the 7' matchstick they got from Dallas prior to that.
Even more exciting was the addition of Jared Cunningham in that deal ... I didn't know it was even possible to average less than 3 ppp and 3 mpg in the D-League.

[korme]

Love when teams draft back to back PGs

[Groundhog]

Hoping Cavs go Bullock here.

[Groundhog]

Oh Karasev, I didn't even realise he was still on the board. Very nice.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by korme

Love when teams draft back to back PGs

Well, they did but they didn't. Larkin goes to Dallas for the pick at #16.

[Groundhog]

Cavs came into the draft needing frontcourt offense and shooting from the wings. Tick and tick. Good job.

[Lathum]

do they have both rounds tonight?

[SirFozzie]

ProBasketballTalk's Review of the Celtics pick at #13:

13. Boston Celtics (via the Dallas Mavericks): Kelly Olynyk (7’0” center, Gonzaga): We knew that Dallas wanted out, they get the Celtics No. 16 (which they likely trade) and two future second rounders. Olynyk is more than just that guy with long hair — he has size, moves well and has a really good scoring touch. In a league that values efficient scorers, Olynk is that (he shot 65 percent this season). But coming out of a small conference there are questions about how he deals with the size and athleticism he will see in the NBA. There are questions about his defense. They will love him in Boston, let’s see if he can perform at that level.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by korme

Love when teams draft back to back PGs

Love Simmons asking if Kahn consulted on the picks.

[mckerney]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Love Simmons asking if Kahn consulted on the picks.

It is only a Kahn move if you then trade the best PG one you draft.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

...
Finally, you have no idea whatsoever where the picks wind up. By 2014, Williams and Johnson are both in their 30s. Garnett and Pierce may as well be retired. That pick could be decent.

2014 is next year's pick.

Don't like the Olynyk pick. Would rather have Schroeder, Giannis, Shabazz, even Larkin or Karasev. I also really don't think he was worth trading 2 2nd round picks to move up (and I know those are almost worthless).

[korme]

Sergey Karasev wins the Crappiest English of the Night award

[Lathum]

that was weird

[korme]

Originally Posted by Lathum

do they have both rounds tonight?

Yes. 2nd Rd is 2 min per pick

[Lathum]

LOL at Stern

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

2014 is next year's pick.

Yes. Johnson is already over 30 and Williams is 29. By 2014, both are in their 30s.

[Izulde]

Shocked Snell went that early. Saw him as 2nd rounder.

[MrBug708]

Solomon Hill to Indiana...wow

[mckerney]

And after trading the 26th the Wolves finish the first round getting Shabazz and Dieng. Guess it's time to stop paying attention to them until next years draft lottery.