Official College Football Week 13 Thread

[Easy Mac]

Stellar QB play in CU - UW tonight

[Butter]

I was just thinking I sure do miss Glasses Ref.

[Eaglesfan27]

Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Stellar QB play in CU - UW tonight

Too bad Sam Darnold isn't playing tonight.

[HerRealName]

I didn't have the sound on for the first half - is Browning hurt? He looks bad and it is weird Washington didn't at least try a hail mary at the end of the half.

[bhlloy]

Well, that's a Rapp

[HeavyReign]

Reminds me of every Big 10 game I've watched this year but Washington obviously planned to focus on the run. Pretty shocking how bad Browning has played. Seems like when he presses he locks on to Ross too much. He's been under throwing long balls a ton the 2nd half of the year.

[HerRealName]

Originally Posted by HeavyReign

Reminds me of every Big 10 game I've watched this year but Washington obviously planned to focus on the run. Pretty shocking how bad Browning has played. Seems like when he presses he locks on to Ross too much. He's been under throwing long balls a ton the 2nd half of the year.

I agree. Allowing physical defensive back play has really changed the NCAA. Bama started it but it's everywhere now.

[HeavyReign]

Same with the SEC games I've watched. Huge credit to the Colorado secondary most of the night.

[dawgfan]

I think we can scratch off the idea of Michigan jumping ahead of Washington now, Robert Smith's obvious B1N homerism notwithstanding. Now the question becomes seeding - can the Huskies move up so they play in Arizona?

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Marmel

Or maybe Clemson isn't even great at not committing penalties, but there is a bias at helping them, which of course makes your whining about the Pitt game even more pathetic.

Do College Football Refs Have It In for Your Team? - Bloomberg


Could be why we haven't seen a Clemsoning in a few years too.

But your argument breaks down when they play 2 games a year with sec refs and are less penalized than their opponents in those games.

The fact that you try and troll with the Clemsoning just proves who you are as a poster to me.

This isn't personal to me. It's just discussion. I haven't played in a college game in 18 years. I haven't been paid to coach a college game in 16 years. It's just a form of entertainment. If Clemson loses tonight I'll sleep fine and feel great tomorrow.

I'm not whining about a Pitt game...I'm talking about a statistical trend.


You knowe trying to have a discussion on a discussion board...

[CrescentMoonie]

An hour before the games get started and ESPN.com is down. I wonder how much, if any, revenue they get from the WatchESPN streams.

[CrescentMoonie]

Looks like WMU will get the New Year's Six bowl spot. Navy is down 21-3 with two slot backs and their QB already out.

[CrescentMoonie]

I know it won't last, but I'm feeling less ridiculous about my +1000 moneyline bet on Florida for the moment.

[cuervo72]

Wow, is Florida's QB always ass?

[CrescentMoonie]

This could get really ugly if Bama's offense figures out how to score.

[bhlloy]

Fun game to play - what % of Bama's scholarship defensive players play at least a year in the NFL. Got to be at least 60 I would think

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Wow, is Florida's QB always ass?

Pretty much. For most of the last decade it seems.

[JonInMiddleGA]

UF starters since Tebow (who has been gone seven years now)

John Brantley 2010–2011
Jacoby Brissett 2011–2012 Transferred to NC State.
Jeff Driskel 2012–2014 Transferred to Louisiana Tech.
Tyler Murphy 2013 Transferred to Boston College.
Skyler Mornhinweg 2013 Transferred to Columbia.
Treon Harris 2014–2015
Will Grier 2015 Suspended for PEDs. Transferred to West Virginia.
Luke Del Rio 2016 Transferred from Alabama and Oregon State.
Austin Appleby 2016 Graduate transfer from Purdue.

edit to add: Here's an article from back in April that goes into more details of just how big a mess it has been (and why)

http://www.tampabay.com/sports/colle...-tebow/2272092

[cuervo72]

I mean, I meant this guy, but yeah, that's not a very impressive list.

[Young Drachma]

I want Wyoming to win a conference title, at home no less. But I'd prefer some scenario where they could win the conference title AND play BYU in the bowl game versus some also-ran in the Vegas Bowl.

[RedKingGold]

I don't know if Penn State is good, but they sure are fun as hell to watch.

[Young Drachma]

Wyoming loses the MWC title 27-24 at home. Sucks, but an overachieving year for the team and I'd prefer they play in the Poinsettia Bowl anyway. Hope it pans out that way.

San Diego State wins MWC title, will face Houston in Vegas Bowl; Wyoming to Poinsettia to play BYU

— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) December 4, 2016

[JPhillips]

I certainly didn't expect Temple's ass kicking of Navy.

[HerRealName]

Good luck to the committee. They are screwed no matter what they do.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by HerRealName

Good luck to the committee. They are screwed no matter what they do.

Roughly what I was just thinking.

[RedKingGold]

Bah, Alabama is going to kill whoever is in the playoff. I'd rather see PSU go to the Rose Bowl, tbh.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by RedKingGold

Bah, Alabama is going to kill whoever is in the playoff. I'd rather see PSU go to the Rose Bowl, tbh.

Clear Favs for sure. Still a numbers game. If Alabama played their worst possible game and one of the other teams played their best could bama be beat. I think so.

Worst game Alabama played this year was Ole Miss(won by 5) and they are a Sagarin 77.74. Mississippi didnt have as many key injuries at that point in time so lets presume they would have been around 85 Sagarin. Game Score would be about 90 at their worst.

Ohio State's best game was probably was probably either Oklahoma(win by 21) or Nebraska(win by 58). Oklahoma is a 89.83 while Nebraska is a 78.22. Games scores of 110 and 136. Lets split them up as and call it 123.

Yes it is simple with many flaws but the entire premise behind it is that any of these teams left or more than capable of beating Alabama on an off game.

Would I bet against Alabama? No. Football has a lot of variance however because of turnovers so yes any of the playoff teams can beat them.

[lungs]

I didn't think Wisconsin was a playoff team and tonight proved it. I probably wouldn't have even called them a playoff team with a win tonight.

[Young Drachma]

As dumb as this wrangling over 4 v 5 is...it's still better than letting computers (or worse, sportswriters) pick the national champion. If you're gonna play a bunch of meaningless exhibitions into January, might as well have them be worth something.

[digamma]

I kind of think we're trying to manufacture a controversy here.

[jbergey22]

Sounds like the big debate with the committee was whether Penn St or Washington is the 4th team.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by digamma

I kind of think we're trying to manufacture a controversy here.

How so? All 3 teams have a compelling argument. Washington - recent eye test, record. Ohio State - overall resume, non-conference wins. Penn State - head to head, conference champion.

Buckeye fans would be the easiest to dismiss if they miss out, but also the most detrimental to fans long-term as it would show that non-con scheduling is worthless and you should only schedule cupcakes. But if the Buckeyes get in (and I think they will), we'll never hear the end of it from whichever of the other fanbases (in UW's case its every Pac-12 fan who feels the west coast is disrespected) is left out, and either will have a legitimate argument to stand on.

[jbergey22]

AD's across the Nation are calling and trying to re-schedule their non conference schedules.

Congrats Washington. Probably deserved but so hard to prove with that awful out of conference schedule.(not only from them but the entire conference)

Penn St #5
Michigan #6

Clemson jumped Ohio State and finished 2nd.

[bronconick]

And next year they'll change the criteria and burn those AD's. It's made up week to week with name recognition coming first

[cuervo72]

No real issue with that. Penn State made a nice run, but I don't know that I can say they deserve it any more than those four.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Seems ... familiar.

J3C College Football Top 25 (after regular season) | Jon's Three Cents

[Brian Swartz]

I put absolutely zero stock in the eye test. It's too easy to be deceived by a good/bad game for the opposition, or by them not being as good as you thought, etc.

I think Alabama, Clemson, and Washington are easy selections. Ohio State and Penn State is the tough one, with WMU thrown in the mix because undefeated is undefeated, full stop. Ohio State has the better record and better wins; Penn State got annihilated by Michigan but won the head-to-head matchup and the conference championship that OSU didn't even play for. I think whichever one gets left out there has a very legitimate gripe(along with WMU), but you can't take 'em both/all.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by bronconick

And next year they'll change the criteria and burn those AD's. It's made up week to week with name recognition coming first

Name recognition?

Agree that the justification will always change on a whim. Dumbest thing the committee does is rank 1-25 instead of just 1-4 each week, then go on TV and try to defend it. There isn't one concrete set of criteria that can stand up to that standard. Just makes it obvious how much they're making it up as they go.

[Brian Swartz]

Also, for consideration, the current S+P rankings, which don't care about transitive stuff, just a team's overall body of work for the season. Predicted margin vs. an average team along with rank in offense, defense, and special teams as well here.

1. Alabama(31.5 pts, 16th offense, 2nd defense, 63rd special teams)
2. Michigan(31.3, 26th, 1st, 56th)
3. Ohio State(27.6, 12th, 3rd, 6th)
4. Clemson(22.7, 11th, 6th, 85th)
5. LSU(22.0, 24th, 4th, 48th)
6. Washington(21.8, 10th, 10th, 53rd)
7. Louisville(21.7, 2nd, 15th, 87th)
8. USC(20.5, 17th, 13th, 16th)
9. Florida State(19.5, 6th, 18th, 65th)
10. Oklahoma(19.2, 1st, 57th, 37th)

Penn State is 12th, Western Michigan 36th.

[BishopMVP]

Btw, if Michigan hadn't lost to Iowa does anyone know who would've been the B10 East-ish representative in the title game? Do they go with the highest ranked team in the CFP poll or flip a coin in case of a 3-way tie?

[Brian Swartz]

Ohio State would have -- that's why they were actually rooting for Michigan to beat Iowa in a strange twist of fate. I don't know the exact tiebreaker that made it so though.

[Brian Swartz]

Found an explanation. Apparently it is the fifth tiebreaker, which is overall winning percentage, that would decide it. That would have eliminated Penn State, allowing Ohio State to make it on head-to-head with Michigan.

Almost makes me glad that didn't happen. I'm not sure coin-flip or CFP rankings wouldn't be better.

[BishopMVP]

Thanks. That would've been doubly interesting, because whichever 1-loss team "missed" the title game in that scenario was probably in for sure, while the title game participant would've been passed by Washington if they lost to Wisconsin, so you'd actually be rooting for the other team to get the title berth.

[JPhillips]

I have no doubt Michigan would give Alabama a better game than Washington, but that's what happens when you lose twice.

I'm surprised OSU is starting as a 3 point favorite against Clemson.

[jbergey22]

Let Vegas pick the teams If they want the best 4 teams who would know better than them.

Vegas had Michigan favored by both Washington/Penn St on a neutral site.

[Eaglesfan27]

USC back in the Rose Bowl!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

I have no doubt Michigan would give Alabama a better game than Washington, but that's what happens when you lose twice.

And I think Washington has the best chance of beating Bama of all the contenders.

They'd have to play out of their minds perfect to do it,and Bama would have to have a bad day but their ability to throw without throwing picks gives them at least a chance.

[MrBug708]

Gotta feel for CU, but it's not worth conference championship games if it costs you the Rose Bowl

[dawgfan]

With all due respect to Clemson which is certainly a great team, I'm scratching my head to figure out all the talk last night and the results from the committee today. Clemson was #3 and Washington was #4 heading into the weekend; Clemson wins by just 7 points over the CFP #22 team; Washington wins by 31 over the CFP #10 team, yet it's Clemson that leapfrogs Ohio State and it's Washington that pundits are debating whether they deserve to be in over Penn State.

[Brian Swartz]

I would say it's probably mostly down to the perception that the Pac-12 has been weaker as a conference this year. Everything I heard leading up was that Clemson was perceived as having a stronger resume all year long, too much to make up. Probably leapfrogged Ohio State because they won their conference. I don't know if this played into it, but I also think the USC loss is the kind of game(in terms of being decisive) that none of the other teams that are in had.