2015 NFL Week 3

[BillJasper]

Originally Posted by Galaril

I agree with that and many including me think it was a move to get Manning to hang it up over the offseason.

A power play to make your best offensive player walk away doesn't seem very smart.

Originally Posted by Kodos

When has Kubiak been impressive as a head coach? He seems like a very good OC, but I haven't been impressed with him as the HC.

Not even sure about the OC role. Prior to Baltimore, I don't think he ever called the plays as the offensive coordinator. Pretty sure Shanahan did it in Denver.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Interested to see if KC can remain the only NFL team to never lose at Lambeau.

Not looking likely.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Has any one of those commercials left you with a positive feeling towards DirecTV?

Football on your Phone did!

[Abe Sargent]

Why are te Bears doing a fire sale o their defense right now?

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow. Allen and Bostic gone in a day, for a pair of 6ths. Think Gase is admitting he may as well blow this thing up now.

[BillJasper]

Is TE the first/only read for the QB in the KC passing game?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Why are te Bears doing a fire sale o their defense right now?

Because the team is old, bad, and has a new coaching staff and scheme. Both Bostic and Allen are poor fits for the 3-4. The team needs to go all in on a full scale rebuild.

[MizzouRah]

These Packers are going to beat the Rams 56-10

[EagleFan]

Why not go for 2 there?

[bhlloy]

Hey, maybe on the next drive they will realize they shouldn't be dropping off Cobb at the goal line? Fourth time lucky

[Suicane75]

Crazy rule change suggestion. Outlaw hitting. Make people actually tackle.

[Suicane75]

Why was that not a safety on the kickoff?

[Arles]

It's the "momentum" rule. If the momentum of the catch takes you in the end zone, it's a touchback.

[Suicane75]

Did not know that.

[EagleFan]

That was a really poor spot on that 4th down play. Why didn't they even measure that? It was close even with the bad spot.

[Suicane75]

Packers had no challenges. Refs are dumb.
Classic Andy Reid clock management, waste one of your timeouts. Jesus.

[Suicane75]

Welp, you've wasted a timeout, and burned through the 2 minute warning. Bless him, but his teams are awful at this stuff.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Wow. Allen and Bostic gone in a day, for a pair of 6ths. Think Gase is admitting he may as well blow this thing up now.

I'd like to see the details on the "conditional" part - f.e. if the Bears are picking up $11 million and the Panthers only paying $850k you'd think they could get more than a 6th. But maybe Jared Allen's fallen off more than I realized.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

I'd like to see the details on the "conditional" part - f.e. if the Bears are picking up $11 million and the Panthers only paying $850k you'd think they could get more than a 6th. But maybe Jared Allen's fallen off more than I realized.

He's 33 and would have been released at the end of this season because there would be no dead money in cutting him. He's still an above average player (or least he was last year with 32 hurries and 20 QB hits), but a bad fit in the new defense. With the white flag going up on this season they probably saw a chance to get something for him and jumped.

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

That take on it would require me to believe that this also doesn't involve Elway's ego.

I think Elway does have a massive ego, but I don't think the ego was involved here. It was/is a desire to get some type of running game to take the pressure off of Manning.

The Broncos OLine didn't work well with a zone blocking scheme. Osweiller is more of a rollout type QB as well. So scrap the OLine, tweak the defense a little more and have a second option if the offense wears down.

The early returns on the offense are not good. . . and I'm on record in this thread (and others) as saying if the Oline doesn't improve, Denver is toast. But i don't think this is a massive shock to Elway or Kubiak. I think they expected this was going to take some time and I think they expected the defense to give them enough wins to get through it.

We'll see what happens the rest of the year. I'm not convinced the line is ever going to be good enough. . . . but holy hell if it does get better and the defense avoids major injuries to the pass rushers/corners? This team would be frightening come playoff time. If it doesn't happen, what's the worst thing? We whimper out like last year?

I see the logic in all of this, even if I don't agree with the methods.

[MizzouRah]

Hey look.. they can pass to Macklin.. lost in one of my FF leagues by 0.72 because of Rogers.. but someone dropped Macklin and he did quite well for me this week.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Hey look.. they can pass to Macklin.. lost in one of my FF leagues by 0.72 because of Rogers.. but someone dropped Macklin and he did quite well for me this week.

2 team league?

[BillJasper]

Saw another play where Rodgers drew the defense into the neutral zone and his man jumped as well but the play was allowed to continue.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by BillJasper

Saw another play where Rodgers drew the defense into the neutral zone and his man jumped as well but the play was allowed to continue.

From what I could see on replay, both times the GB linemen moved in concert with the ball being snapped, so it was a good play. Seems like the center is snapping the ball right on the first movement.

[Thomkal]

are my eyes deceiving me? Did a KC WR score a TD last night? A sure sign of the apocalypse.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Logan

From what I could see on replay, both times the GB linemen moved in concert with the ball being snapped, so it was a good play. Seems like the center is snapping the ball right on the first movement.

Yep, if you watch the center on these plays, he's instructed to snap on any defender going into the neutral zone at home (Rodgers also stays "ready" for any snap pre-play). It can be a little dicey as there have been times this season where the snap occurs and the OL isn't really ready. But, what has helped is the defense tends to stop on an offsides too, so it really hasn't bit Green Bay.

If I was an opposing DC, I would instruct my guys to immediately rush the QB on any offsides to prevent his big play. There's a chance Rodgers could be exposed as the center usually snaps quicker than expected and the OL isn't quite ready. Of course, that's a lot easier said than done as it goes against human nature.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Arles

It's the "momentum" rule. If the momentum of the catch takes you in the end zone, it's a touchback.

The momentum rule does not give you a touchback. It gives you the ball where you caught it. It only applies from the 5 yard line and in.

I didn't see the play but usually when it's caught at the 1 or inside, by philosophy, a touchback is awarded.

[Arles]

OK, the announcers explained that the "momentum rule" made the touchback on the play the correct call. I've seen similar plays before so it made sense.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by TroyF

But i don't think this is a massive shock to Elway or Kubiak. I think they expected this was going to take some time and I think they expected the defense to give them enough wins to get through it.

They scrapped most of their offense by Week 3... I'm pretty sure they figured under center would go better than this. Am I crazy or did this same thing happen in Manning's first season back in 2012, where they tried to "protect him" early, and ended up just letting Manning do what he wanted by the end of the first month, leading to the team's offensive production taking off?

[albionmoonlight]

Saints Trade DE Akiem Hicks to Patriots for TE Michael Hoomanawanui.

Hicks is a physically gifted 3-4 DE who constantly underachieved. Belichick & Co. will probably turn him into a double digit sack guy.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Saints Trade DE Akiem Hicks to Patriots for TE Michael Hoomanawanui.

Hicks is a physically gifted 3-4 DE who constantly underachieved. Belichick & Co. will probably turn him into a double digit sack guy.

Keshawn Martin touchdown last week (Although I think part of that was it being garbage time, I could see him sliding into the Edelman/Welker role if Edelman goes down.)

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

They scrapped most of their offense by Week 3... I'm pretty sure they figured under center would go better than this. Am I crazy or did this same thing happen in Manning's first season back in 2012, where they tried to "protect him" early, and ended up just letting Manning do what he wanted by the end of the first month, leading to the team's offensive production taking off?

Yes, you're crazy. Mannings first year in Denver, they played the Steelers first. Manning looked good, not great. He had a Thomas screen pass that went 71 yards for a score and the Denver defense iced the game with a TD late.

Then Denver went to Atlanta and Manning threw 3 INT's in the first quarter of the game. This was followed by a loss against Houston at home where he looked poor. After a blowout win against the Raiders, Denver faced the Pats and went down 31-7 before mounting a late comeback. Manning looked great, but turnovers killed the team.

The following week, the Broncos played the Chargers on Monday night and fell behind 24-0 at halftime. 35 second half points later and Manning was officially back. They really never tried to run to protect him though. He was behind so much the first 6 games, they couldn't have protected him if they had wanted to. (21-0, 31-11, 31-7 and 24-0 were the deficits in the first 6 career games as a Bronco and those did not come because Denver was trying to run the ball)

As for this year, again, I'll say I think the OLine has to improve and I'm not sure their "plan" is going to work. But I do think judgement needs to wait a little bit. There are 4 new starters on that line and one of them didn't play a single snap with the team until opening day.

I'm sure Elway and Kubiak knew damned well the OLine wasn't going to be all that great from the start. If they didn't, they are lunatics. I think the pistol and all of the other stuff is being done in the hopes the line will come together and the running game will come around. It isn't like the team improved the ground game out of the pistol. It was still horrible. This team is averaging 2.6 yards a rush, it isn't pretty.

On the positive side, the Detroit game saw the first time multiple Denver OLineman graded as a positive in PFF rankings. Maybe things are about to turn. Maybe they aren't. Either way, this is not a surprise to me.

The only surprising thing to me is the team is 3-0. I would not have been shocked at 1-2 before the season started. I thought the Ravens and Lions would be coin flips and the Chiefs would win at Arrowhead on a short week.

This is NOT the 3rd best team in the league right now (like most of the power rankings are saying) But the defense is very, very, very good and the offense can only get better. While I could still see this plan ending in disaster BEFORE the playoffs even start, I can see how it can work.

Time will tell the tale.

[MikeVic]

Is there a hurricance that's threatening horrible weather in tonight's game?

[Grover]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

Is there a hurricance that's threatening horrible weather in tonight's game?

Not tonight. Hurricane Joaquin Phoenix isn't expected to make US landfall until Saturday. They're predicting a potential of 8-12" of rain in the Myrtle Beach area.

Could effect the Redskins game.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by TroyF

Yes, you're crazy. Mannings first year in Denver, they played the Steelers first. Manning looked good, not great. He had a Thomas screen pass that went 71 yards for a score and the Denver defense iced the game with a TD late.

Then Denver went to Atlanta and Manning threw 3 INT's in the first quarter of the game. This was followed by a loss against Houston at home where he looked poor. After a blowout win against the Raiders, Denver faced the Pats and went down 31-7 before mounting a late comeback. Manning looked great, but turnovers killed the team.

The following week, the Broncos played the Chargers on Monday night and fell behind 24-0 at halftime. 35 second half points later and Manning was officially back. They really never tried to run to protect him though. He was behind so much the first 6 games, they couldn't have protected him if they had wanted to. (21-0, 31-11, 31-7 and 24-0 were the deficits in the first 6 career games as a Bronco and those did not come because Denver was trying to run the ball)

As for this year, again, I'll say I think the OLine has to improve and I'm not sure their "plan" is going to work. But I do think judgement needs to wait a little bit. There are 4 new starters on that line and one of them didn't play a single snap with the team until opening day.

I'm sure Elway and Kubiak knew damned well the OLine wasn't going to be all that great from the start. If they didn't, they are lunatics. I think the pistol and all of the other stuff is being done in the hopes the line will come together and the running game will come around. It isn't like the team improved the ground game out of the pistol. It was still horrible. This team is averaging 2.6 yards a rush, it isn't pretty.

On the positive side, the Detroit game saw the first time multiple Denver OLineman graded as a positive in PFF rankings. Maybe things are about to turn. Maybe they aren't. Either way, this is not a surprise to me.

The only surprising thing to me is the team is 3-0. I would not have been shocked at 1-2 before the season started. I thought the Ravens and Lions would be coin flips and the Chiefs would win at Arrowhead on a short week.

This is NOT the 3rd best team in the league right now (like most of the power rankings are saying) But the defense is very, very, very good and the offense can only get better. While I could still see this plan ending in disaster BEFORE the playoffs even start, I can see how it can work.

Time will tell the tale.

I heard this morning most around the country are discounting the Broncos 3-0 start since we have played teams with a combined 1-8 mark. I think these teams we have played who were all playoff teams last year and picked to be contenders this year are alot better than the records they have at this point. I also agree I am not sure the 'plan" will work this season with Manning and that oline. But ,I also believe with that defense the Kubiak style offense is the offense we need to make work longterm here whether it is with Oswelier or another mobile QB.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Galaril

I heard this morning most around the country are discounting the Broncos 3-0 start since we have played teams with a combined 1-8 mark. I think these teams we have played who were all playoff teams last year and picked to be contenders this year are alot better than the records they have at this point.

Not the Lions. They are pretty much what their record indicates at this point. They are horrible.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Not the Lions. They are pretty much what their record indicates at this point. They are horrible.

Yeah that is fairly accurate. Still they are at least 6 or 7 win team by end of season maybe 8-8. They got the talent.

[Logan]

Cardinals are also 3-0 against teams currently 1-8, and the one win in there was by the Niners which was obviously a fluke.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I think the Lions best shot at winning a game is in three weeks when they play Chicago. By that time, they will be 0-5.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Logan

Cardinals are also 3-0 against teams currently 1-8, and the one win in there was by the Niners which was obviously a fluke.

Not likely to change things this week with the Rams coming to town-though they did beat the Seahawks. I'm more worried about injuries, Palmer and Stanton suffered their season enders in Rams games

[TroyF]

Originally Posted by Galaril

I heard this morning most around the country are discounting the Broncos 3-0 start since we have played teams with a combined 1-8 mark. I think these teams we have played who were all playoff teams last year and picked to be contenders this year are alot better than the records they have at this point. I also agree I am not sure the 'plan" will work this season with Manning and that oline. But ,I also believe with that defense the Kubiak style offense is the offense we need to make work longterm here whether it is with Oswelier or another mobile QB.

Of course everyone is looking down on the team due to the record of the teams we have played.

None of it matters anyway. 3-0 is 3-0. Denver will play the Packers, the Patriots, the Colts and the Bengals before the year is out. If they are frauds, they will be proven as such.

We should all know by now that it doesn't really matter how you look right now. The Patriots came out of week 4 last year looking like washed up clowns who would never contend for anything. How did that turn out exactly?

I don't care much about power rankings this early in the season.