Vanilla Flavored Werewolf-Villagers Win - Page 5

path12 · 02-12-2013, 01:18 PM

One more thing. I was wondering about DT a lot yesterday and mentioned that's how I would have gone if I'd switched at deadline, but reading it again afterwards he came off way better to me.

path12 · 02-12-2013, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I see a saldana tie in yesterday what could be worth exploring:

If saldana is a wolf...
- font looks good
- CR looks good
- mau and DT look not so good (obviously just one of them would be in question here)

If saldana is good...
- font and CR look not so good with their vote (not wolfish but not as good of votes as they would be if saldana was a wolf)
- a known villager would have been the first to lead the charge off saldana, that actually makes font look a little better as I can't see a night kill of JAG if font was a wolf in this case (saldana is still in question and it would appear that JAG and font tried to save him, they would have already eliminated one of the suspects leaving us one left to look at)

I really didn't like the non-vote from saldana yesterday. Best way for a wolf to hide in a small game is to "check in" a day late.

Normally that would automatically get a vote from me. But I'm off on this other tangent......

path12 · 02-12-2013, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

If you think my vote sucks then you must think paths sucks too.

I think path's vote sucked too.

EagleFan · 02-12-2013, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

My reason for going back to Autumn rather than fontisian is more along the lines of:
1) Was fontisian trying to save Autumn with her vote/"switch"?
2) Does her sequence of vote/switch vote/try to switch but mess it up seem more wolflike or cultist-like? Leaning the latter right now. She doesn't strike me as a novice.

It looks like I'm pushing way harder here than I really feel, but there hasn't been a ton of conversation, so I'm just throwing darts blindfolded and hoping to hit something.

Let's explore a bit.

font's unvote was either:

A) mistake
B) wolfish ploy to act like an unvote that wouldn't count. Here is the problem with this assumption. For one it would be a really bad move to bring that much suspicion on yourself if there was only two wolves in the game. Why risk exposing both of you when a vote switch to lynch the other wolf would at least secure potential trust? For another, what if Z said, okay the vote counts. Also, it was not known what would happen with a tie. Leaving too much up to chance and exposing oneself way too much.
C) cultist move. The cultist doesn't know who the wolves are, that would mean absolutely nothing about Autumn.

I have to say Ocam's Razor on this one...

mauchow · 02-12-2013, 02:27 PM

I can see myself switching to font also as that makes sense what ef said.

Chief Rum · 02-12-2013, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mauchow

I can see myself switching to font also as that makes sense what ef said.

Actually, I think EF is saying it was a mistake, unless I am misreading him. I think he is saying we shouldn't read too much into font's unvote.

britrock88 · 02-12-2013, 02:53 PM

2 Autumn - mauchow(184), path12(188)
1 mauchow - EagleFan(193)
1 DaddyTorgo - Danny(197)

hoopsguy · 02-12-2013, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!

Hi kids. Checking in. Been awhile.

I know that dude ...

britrock88 · 02-12-2013, 02:53 PM

Afternoon, all.

britrock88 · 02-12-2013, 02:54 PM

S'pose I'll reread Day 1 now.

mauchow · 02-12-2013, 02:57 PM

Okay. My original point stands one way or another. We need to decipher whether or not it was a collassal mistake or not.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Let's explore a bit.

font's unvote was either:

A) mistake
B) wolfish ploy to act like an unvote that wouldn't count. Here is the problem with this assumption. For one it would be a really bad move to bring that much suspicion on yourself if there was only two wolves in the game. Why risk exposing both of you when a vote switch to lynch the other wolf would at least secure potential trust? For another, what if Z said, okay the vote counts. Also, it was not known what would happen with a tie. Leaving too much up to chance and exposing oneself way too much.
C) cultist move. The cultist doesn't know who the wolves are, that would mean absolutely nothing about Autumn.

I have to say Ocam's Razor on this one...

This is my thinking. Vote me if you want, for happening to be on the firing line. But thinking Font is a wolf saving a wolf strains credulity. It's MUCH MUCH more likely, if I'm a wolf, that the other wolf is on DT and doesn't do anything hoping for a lucky result. A wolf on a wolf me would switch with a perfect excuse. A wolf with a vote somewhere else either votes DT and saves me, or votes me and rides that trust to endgame. I see no possibility that a wolf on DT fake-unvotes to lynch me.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:23 PM

But just as likely (and more to my mind obviously) is that DT could be a wolf, and a wolf is stuck on me, not moving and hoping for a tie.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:24 PM

I will return to DT. Because of the tie I do agree that we can learn something by going back to him and me. Also, he was almost lynched and had no reveal, so I feel better about voting him and not worrying he has a role.

vote daddytorgo

Danny · 02-12-2013, 03:26 PM

unvote dt
vote autumn

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2013, 03:30 PM

Checking in real briefly between my 3PM and 4PM mtg at the hotel. Will have to come back after the meeting and see what's going on...no time really now.

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2013, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

I will return to DT. Because of the tie I do agree that we can learn something by going back to him and me. Also, he was almost lynched and had no reveal, so I feel better about voting him and not worrying he has a role.

vote daddytorgo

Don't vote for me. From reading this it looks like it's back to you and me, and I'm not voting for myself.

VOTE AUTUMN

Danny · 02-12-2013, 03:35 PM

Ive seen enough from Autumn to warrant checking into him.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:35 PM

We do have a seer, and a night deadline, so that makes me less keen to vote for DT and me, as we might have been scanned. But generally I don't think we can gather much from yesterday without knowing our allegiances. I'm interested why people left it a tie, which is rather rare.

Danny · 02-12-2013, 03:35 PM

Not sure I want a run away though, so I will flip this way for now

unvote autumn
vote font

Danny · 02-12-2013, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

We do have a seer, and a night deadline, so that makes me less keen to vote for DT and me, as we might have been scanned. But generally I don't think we can gather much from yesterday without knowing our allegiances. I'm interested why people left it a tie, which is rather rare.

I think it was a case of no one being here to break the tie. It didnt look like anyone made a conscious decision not to break the tie.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinto

Official Vote Count:
1-Saldana: Chief Rum(53)
4-Autumn: Brit(43), Mauchow(60), DaddyTorgo(66), RA(77)
4-DaddyTorgo: Autumn(48), Jag(67), Danny(106), Font(110)
1-Mauchow: Path(50)
1-Jag: EF(51)

Yet To Vote:Sal

Moving this up for thinking out loud.

If one of me or DT is a wolf, and Path, EF or Chief were around and wolves, I would think they would have saved us, with a perfect excuse.

If I am a wolf, I expect Brit, Mau or RA to move if they are also a wolf, as they have a pretty good excuse. It's possible they'd shoot for the tie and hope to get lucky and not draw attention to themselves. If JAG, Danny or Font was my fellow wolf, they would either hold still and hope for luck, or make the switch and take the credit. Danny or JAG I could see switching, but wouldn't expect that of a new wolf. Though I suppose if I was a wolf I would have possibly suggested it to Font.

If DT is a wolf, same in reverse, I doubt that JAG, Danny or Font are the fellow wolf, as they would have had clearance to move (unless they weren't around). So likely targets are Brit, Mauchow and RA.

But again, until we know at least one of us, that doesn't narrow it down much.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I think it was a case of no one being here to break the tie. It didnt look like anyone made a conscious decision not to break the tie.

I remember someone saying they chose not to break the tie. In fact there were several eople in thread talking at the time, so I'm not sure that's the case.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:47 PM

Looking back Path, RA, Font and JAG were all in thread in the last few minutes.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 03:48 PM

If Path is a wolf then it was likely villager-villager, as I can't see why he wouldn't save his fellow wolf. Font we've discussed. RA and JAG were on opposite sides, so if one of us turns out to be a wolf we've got a possible suspect there.

britrock88 · 02-12-2013, 03:56 PM

Many good points you raise, Autumn.

britrock88 · 02-12-2013, 03:56 PM

3 Autumn - mauchow(184), path12(188), DaddyTorgo(217)
1 mauchow - EagleFan(193)
1 DaddyTorgo - Autumn(214)
1 fontisian - Danny(220)

britrock88 · 02-12-2013, 03:56 PM

Back to being productive at work. Sigh...

path12 · 02-12-2013, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I know that dude ...

'sup hoops!

path12 · 02-12-2013, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

I think it was a case of no one being here to break the tie. It didnt look like anyone made a conscious decision not to break the tie.

I did in the end. Had a switch ready to post but just kept waiting to see if anyone would jump -- plus I didn't really want to be the deciding last second switch to lynch a villager on day 1 in my first game in two years, y'know?

I deserve scrutiny nonetheless though no matter which way I went. Would have been easier to just not show up 10 minutes before deadline. But I'm having fun being back even if just for a game so I hurried to get online....

Chief Rum · 02-12-2013, 05:29 PM

While EF's logic on fontisian makes some sense, she still made a really odd decision/mistake there. By itself it's not enough, but it's either put up a second candidate or watch Autumn run away with it. I always think we get more information when we have close votes.

VOTE FONTISIAN

fontisian · 02-12-2013, 05:35 PM

What can I say? I wasn't paying close enough attention to the game and made a really stupid mistake. It will not happen again.

I think it would be best to lynch Autumn or DaddyTogo today, since so many people had opinions and voted or conspicuously decided not to vote on them. I'm going to vote for DaddyTogo for now, because I really don't like the way he overreacted to people voting for him. Is that how he normally behaves?

Vote DaddyTogo

If no momentum builds on him, I'll switch to Autumn.

fontisian · 02-12-2013, 05:51 PM

Actually, looking back, Daddy doesn't look that bad and an Autumn lynch would give more info.
Unvote DaddyTogo

Raiders Army · 02-12-2013, 06:01 PM

Chief Rum was in the thread at the end, which is why I asked him or path or unvote. Their votes were meaningless.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

Raiders Army · 02-12-2013, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

Moving this up for thinking out loud.

If one of me or DT is a wolf, and Path, EF or Chief were around and wolves, I would think they would have saved us, with a perfect excuse.

If I am a wolf, I expect Brit, Mau or RA to move if they are also a wolf, as they have a pretty good excuse. It's possible they'd shoot for the tie and hope to get lucky and not draw attention to themselves. If JAG, Danny or Font was my fellow wolf, they would either hold still and hope for luck, or make the switch and take the credit. Danny or JAG I could see switching, but wouldn't expect that of a new wolf. Though I suppose if I was a wolf I would have possibly suggested it to Font.

If DT is a wolf, same in reverse, I doubt that JAG, Danny or Font are the fellow wolf, as they would have had clearance to move (unless they weren't around). So likely targets are Brit, Mauchow and RA.

But again, until we know at least one of us, that doesn't narrow it down much.

Yeah, I agree that JAG is probably not a wolf.

I know what you're really trying to say.

fontisian · 02-12-2013, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

not knowing what the mechanic would be for a tie, i think trying to be helpful and failing due to technical difficulties looks better than sitting and doing nothing

I'm going to go against what I just said and
Vote Saldana
Because this was seriously his only post so far.

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2013, 06:09 PM

Okay...have some time to catch up before I go out and get dinner...going to be asleep before it gets too late though...4:15 wakeup call tomorrow

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2013, 06:18 PM

I kind of like autumn more based on his analysis he's done today. In the spirit of encouraging that, before I head out to grab dinner, I'm going to

UNVOTE AUTUMN

I'll be back before deadline...probably in like an hour...certainly less than 2 I have to believe.

Chief Rum · 02-12-2013, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

Chief Rum was in the thread at the end, which is why I asked him or path or unvote. Their votes were meaningless.

VOTE CHIEF RUM

I checked the forum on my phone before walking into work at 5:30, but I was not on at deadline.

EagleFan · 02-12-2013, 06:35 PM

We learn much more from a font lynch or sal lynch than from an autumn lynch.

Hell, i think we could learn more from a mau lynch at this point. I think it will show us a lot to be honest. On my phone at the moment but i will try to get to my laptop soon enough so i can elaborate on that statement.

Hopefully the time away cleared my head well as i feel like i have a pretty good grasp on two potential directions to head and either a mau or sal lynch could point to wolf number 2, or narrow it down enough that end game would be close.

path12 · 02-12-2013, 06:35 PM

So am I reading the vote count right?

Autumn 2 -- mauchow, path
fontisian 2 -- Danny, CR
mauchow 1 -- EF
DT 1 -- Autumn
CR 1 -- RA
sal 1 -- fontisian

I'm here for about 30 minutes and then out for sure until later tonight.

path12 · 02-12-2013, 06:37 PM

Right now I could see voting for Autumn, fontisian or saldana but am interested to hear EF's ideas on mauchow.

mauchow · 02-12-2013, 06:47 PM

unvote autumn

I feel a lot better not going autumn now. Perhaps we did have villager/villager last night. Its so tough to say on the new first day.

Zinto · 02-12-2013, 07:01 PM

Official Vote Count
1 Autumn-path(188)
1 Mau-EF(193)
1 DaddyTorgo- Autumn(214)
2 Font-Danny(220), Chief(231)
1 Chief- Raiders(235)
1 Sal- Font(236)

path12 · 02-12-2013, 07:02 PM

OK, have to run. Looks like I'm alone on Autumn now so lets make a move and see what happens.

UNVOTE AUTUMN
VOTE FONTISIAN

Let's get a wolf today. See y'all later tonight.

path12 · 02-12-2013, 07:02 PM

Sorry Zinto. Your list was instantly out of date.

Chief Rum · 02-12-2013, 07:09 PM

Headed out again to the other job and won't be available at deadline. If I make good time, I might peek in again before walking into the job, but I start a half hour earlier today (5).

DaddyTorgo · 02-12-2013, 07:22 PM

I'm around now. At least until I crash.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 07:48 PM

Wow, quite a spread this late. I can't see voting Fontisian. I think it's clear she only is getting pressure because she made a mistake in her post. If she had unvoted Daddy to break the tie and lynched a villager Autumn, I wouldn't be voting her either (well, you get what I mean). I think we too often take the easy route of focusing on whoever did something, anything!, we can latch onto. But it's usually not a wolf.

I'm interested in hearing EF's thoughts because I have no idea what he's talking about.

Autumn · 02-12-2013, 07:51 PM

Outside of just voting DT for being in the vote yesterday, my thoughts are more on Path, for hesitating to make a deciding vote and break the tie--something a villager might do, but a wolf would be wary of doing and drawing attention as well. The fact that he then started the day by trying to paint Font bad for doing basically the opposite is not in his favor, I don't think.

I can't see a strong reason to vote Chief, Mau or Saldana. At least I haven't heard one yet.

02-12-2013, 01:18 PM	#201
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	One more thing. I was wondering about DT a lot yesterday and mentioned that's how I would have gone if I'd switched at deadline, but reading it again afterwards he came off way better to me. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-12-2013, 05:29 PM	#231
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	While EF's logic on fontisian makes some sense, she still made a really odd decision/mistake there. By itself it's not enough, but it's either put up a second candidate or watch Autumn run away with it. I always think we get more information when we have close votes. VOTE FONTISIAN __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

02-12-2013, 06:09 PM	#237
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Okay...have some time to catch up before I go out and get dinner...going to be asleep before it gets too late though...4:15 wakeup call tomorrow __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

02-12-2013, 06:35 PM	#240
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	We learn much more from a font lynch or sal lynch than from an autumn lynch. Hell, i think we could learn more from a mau lynch at this point. I think it will show us a lot to be honest. On my phone at the moment but i will try to get to my laptop soon enough so i can elaborate on that statement. Hopefully the time away cleared my head well as i feel like i have a pretty good grasp on two potential directions to head and either a mau or sal lynch could point to wolf number 2, or narrow it down enough that end game would be close. __________________ The EagleFan YouTube Channel - Reactions Soarin' & Scratchin' YouTube Channel - We react to music, videos, TV, we talk, we are planning some field trips Soarin' & Soothin' - Meditation, Relaxation, and Sleep Aid; mental health is important

02-12-2013, 06:35 PM	#241
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	So am I reading the vote count right? Autumn 2 -- mauchow, path fontisian 2 -- Danny, CR mauchow 1 -- EF DT 1 -- Autumn CR 1 -- RA sal 1 -- fontisian I'm here for about 30 minutes and then out for sure until later tonight. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-12-2013, 02:27 PM	#205
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I can see myself switching to font also as that makes sense what ef said.

02-12-2013, 02:53 PM	#207
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	2 Autumn - mauchow(184), path12(188) 1 mauchow - EagleFan(193) 1 DaddyTorgo - Danny(197)

02-12-2013, 02:53 PM	#209
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Afternoon, all.

02-12-2013, 02:54 PM	#210
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	S'pose I'll reread Day 1 now.

02-12-2013, 02:57 PM	#211
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Okay. My original point stands one way or another. We need to decipher whether or not it was a collassal mistake or not.

02-12-2013, 03:23 PM	#213
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	But just as likely (and more to my mind obviously) is that DT could be a wolf, and a wolf is stuck on me, not moving and hoping for a tie.

02-12-2013, 03:24 PM	#214
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I will return to DT. Because of the tie I do agree that we can learn something by going back to him and me. Also, he was almost lynched and had no reveal, so I feel better about voting him and not worrying he has a role. vote daddytorgo

02-12-2013, 03:26 PM	#215
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	unvote dt vote autumn

02-12-2013, 03:30 PM	#216
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Checking in real briefly between my 3PM and 4PM mtg at the hotel. Will have to come back after the meeting and see what's going on...no time really now.

02-12-2013, 03:35 PM	#218
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Ive seen enough from Autumn to warrant checking into him.

02-12-2013, 03:35 PM	#219
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	We do have a seer, and a night deadline, so that makes me less keen to vote for DT and me, as we might have been scanned. But generally I don't think we can gather much from yesterday without knowing our allegiances. I'm interested why people left it a tie, which is rather rare.

02-12-2013, 03:35 PM	#220
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Not sure I want a run away though, so I will flip this way for now unvote autumn vote font

02-12-2013, 03:47 PM	#224
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Looking back Path, RA, Font and JAG were all in thread in the last few minutes.

02-12-2013, 03:48 PM	#225
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	If Path is a wolf then it was likely villager-villager, as I can't see why he wouldn't save his fellow wolf. Font we've discussed. RA and JAG were on opposite sides, so if one of us turns out to be a wolf we've got a possible suspect there.

02-12-2013, 03:56 PM	#226
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Many good points you raise, Autumn.

02-12-2013, 03:56 PM	#227
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	3 Autumn - mauchow(184), path12(188), DaddyTorgo(217) 1 mauchow - EagleFan(193) 1 DaddyTorgo - Autumn(214) 1 fontisian - Danny(220)

02-12-2013, 03:56 PM	#228
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Back to being productive at work. Sigh...

02-12-2013, 05:35 PM	#232
fontisian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2013	What can I say? I wasn't paying close enough attention to the game and made a really stupid mistake. It will not happen again. I think it would be best to lynch Autumn or DaddyTogo today, since so many people had opinions and voted or conspicuously decided not to vote on them. I'm going to vote for DaddyTogo for now, because I really don't like the way he overreacted to people voting for him. Is that how he normally behaves? Vote DaddyTogo If no momentum builds on him, I'll switch to Autumn.

02-12-2013, 05:51 PM	#233
fontisian College Prospect Join Date: Jan 2013	Actually, looking back, Daddy doesn't look that bad and an Autumn lynch would give more info. Unvote DaddyTogo

02-12-2013, 06:01 PM	#234
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Chief Rum was in the thread at the end, which is why I asked him or path or unvote. Their votes were meaningless. VOTE CHIEF RUM

02-12-2013, 06:18 PM	#238
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I kind of like autumn more based on his analysis he's done today. In the spirit of encouraging that, before I head out to grab dinner, I'm going to UNVOTE AUTUMN I'll be back before deadline...probably in like an hour...certainly less than 2 I have to believe.

02-12-2013, 06:37 PM	#242
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Right now I could see voting for Autumn, fontisian or saldana but am interested to hear EF's ideas on mauchow. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-12-2013, 06:47 PM	#243
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	unvote autumn I feel a lot better not going autumn now. Perhaps we did have villager/villager last night. Its so tough to say on the new first day.

02-12-2013, 07:01 PM	#244
Zinto College Starter Join Date: Jan 2011	Official Vote Count 1 Autumn-path(188) 1 Mau-EF(193) 1 DaddyTorgo- Autumn(214) 2 Font-Danny(220), Chief(231) 1 Chief- Raiders(235) 1 Sal- Font(236)

02-12-2013, 07:02 PM	#245
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	OK, have to run. Looks like I'm alone on Autumn now so lets make a move and see what happens. UNVOTE AUTUMN VOTE FONTISIAN Let's get a wolf today. See y'all later tonight. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-12-2013, 07:02 PM	#246
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Sorry Zinto. Your list was instantly out of date. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-12-2013, 07:09 PM	#247
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Headed out again to the other job and won't be available at deadline. If I make good time, I might peek in again before walking into the job, but I start a half hour earlier today (5). __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

02-12-2013, 07:22 PM	#248
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I'm around now. At least until I crash.

02-12-2013, 07:48 PM	#249
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Wow, quite a spread this late. I can't see voting Fontisian. I think it's clear she only is getting pressure because she made a mistake in her post. If she had unvoted Daddy to break the tie and lynched a villager Autumn, I wouldn't be voting her either (well, you get what I mean). I think we too often take the easy route of focusing on whoever did something, anything!, we can latch onto. But it's usually not a wolf. I'm interested in hearing EF's thoughts because I have no idea what he's talking about.

02-12-2013, 07:51 PM	#250
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Outside of just voting DT for being in the vote yesterday, my thoughts are more on Path, for hesitating to make a deciding vote and break the tie--something a villager might do, but a wolf would be wary of doing and drawing attention as well. The fact that he then started the day by trying to paint Font bad for doing basically the opposite is not in his favor, I don't think. I can't see a strong reason to vote Chief, Mau or Saldana. At least I haven't heard one yet.