BART Shooting - Page 5

Lathum · 01-09-2009, 04:38 PM

dola- I would love to start a poll about how people feel about the death penalty, but I probably know how that would end.

Tekneek · 01-09-2009, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

There are literaly millions of people who commit crims on purpose so they can be in prison instead of a shelter, etc...

Prove it. I've heard this and read this over the years, but never seen anybody back it up with facts.

Buccaneer · 01-09-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

No more ridiculous then some of the other posters in this thread.

Except it is coming from someone admitted to a law school.

Lathum · 01-09-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tekneek

Prove it. I've heard this and read this over the years, but never seen anybody back it up with facts.

How can you possibly produce a stat based on someones intentions?

If you don't think there are people who commit crimes to go to prison intentionaly you are incredibly naive.

Tekneek · 01-09-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

How can you possibly produce a stat based on someones intentions?

If it is a fact, there should be some method of measuring it. How do you know they are doing it if you don't know they are doing it?

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If you don't think there are people who commit crimes to go to prison intentionaly you are incredibly naive.

So, we should shape death penalty policy based around some belief that people commit serious crimes in order to get free room and board for the rest of their life without any evidence to support it? I am the one who doesn't get it? If it is so obvious, there has to be some data out there that proves it.

Noop · 01-09-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except it is coming from someone admitted to a law school.

What difference does that make? I have seen it mentioned a few times in this thread about me being in law school. I gave my feelings on the matter, I can not see how that can be judge by me going to law school or being a law student.

I am positive that I have about a hundred or more stupid statements left in my life.

SFL Cat · 01-09-2009, 08:57 PM

OMG, the truth is out...all us white people might as well quit pretending and pull the white hoods and robes out of those hiding places.

Buccaneer · 01-09-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

What difference does that make? I have seen it mentioned a few times in this thread about me being in law school. I gave my feelings on the matter, I can not see how that can be judge by me going to law school or being a law student.

I am positive that I have about a hundred or more stupid statements left in my life.

And so do the rest of us, including me. But as a professional on the bar, you can't make stupid statements and must act and react according to the rule of law.

Noop · 01-09-2009, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

And so do the rest of us, including me. But as a professional on the bar, you can't make stupid statements and must act and react according to the rule of law.

Understood.

path12 · 01-09-2009, 10:49 PM

An anecdote.

My oldest friend is a regional director for a Fortune 500 corporation. Workaholic -- he's probably averaged 60-70 hours a week for the past 20 years. Makes a damn good salary and earns it. Lives in a very nice neighborhood. Just finished putting his fourth and last kid through college. Takes a cab or gets a ride if he's had one beer. I would consider him an upstanding citizen.

He also gets stopped, ordered out of his car and rousted a couple of times per year (he is black). This has never once happened to me, and I will freely admit to not being nearly as upstanding a citizen as he.

Regardless of the availability of scholarships, to even insinuate that there is a disadvantage to being a white male in our society is to really show that you have much to learn about life.

There is much truth in the Chris Rock line: A black man has to fly to where the white man can walk.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-09-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

There are literaly millions of people who commit crims on purpose so they can be in prison instead of a shelter, etc...

If true, that's a horribly depressing commentary on our society that there are large numbers of Americans wanting to live in a cage.

Greyroofoo · 01-10-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SFL Cat

OMG, the truth is out...all us white people might as well quit pretending and pull the white hoods and robes out of those hiding places.

FINALLY!!!!

DanGarion · 01-10-2009, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

Except it is coming from someone admitted to a law school.

Going to law school doesn't mean someone is smart. (No offense Noop).

TCY Junkie · 01-10-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Going to law school doesn't mean someone is smart. (No offense Noop).

I had sex at a holiday inn last night.

condors · 01-10-2009, 01:51 AM

Waiting for a world where the color of a persons skin is never a point of topic like this.

DaddyTorgo · 01-10-2009, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by condors

Waiting for a world where the color of a persons skin is never a point of topic like this.

as much as i want it to, don't think that'll be in our lifetime

Neon_Chaos · 01-10-2009, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by condors

Waiting for a world where the color of a persons skin is never a point of topic like this.

Once the discussion is over, people can now fight over the amount of money in their wallets.

INDalltheway · 01-10-2009, 03:21 AM

Noop (first off, your name backwards is "poon"), no offense but you just aren't coming off as a very intelligent person in this thread. You've even admitted to acting on emotion, which is not going to help you if you become a lawyer. My brother is currently a 2nd year law student and I honestly can't see you holding a professional conversation like you will be expected to do. You honestly sound like you would be better off in politics rather than law to be honest. I'm not doing this to flame or anything, but I'm sure I'm not the only person that sees it this way.

I am a white male that has grown up around very little racism. This even coming from a small, mostly white town in Indiana. Sure you have the racist idiots who truly make you ashamed to be white because the assumptions these people cause. I seriously feel like this hate needs to go away and I feel like my generation is becoming much better. Personally, I don't think any different if I see a black or white person walk by. The majority of my peers think the exact same way. I really just wish people would stop thinking the world was out to get them. Take advantage of all your opportunities, and attempt to make up that 40-0 disadvantage if that is what you were dealt. Nothing good is coming out of bringing up history that myself and the other white males had nothing to do with.

Karlifornia · 01-10-2009, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

An anecdote.

My oldest friend is a regional director for a Fortune 500 corporation. Workaholic -- he's probably averaged 60-70 hours a week for the past 20 years. Makes a damn good salary and earns it. Lives in a very nice neighborhood. Just finished putting his fourth and last kid through college. Takes a cab or gets a ride if he's had one beer. I would consider him an upstanding citizen.

He also gets stopped, ordered out of his car and rousted a couple of times per year (he is black). This has never once happened to me, and I will freely admit to not being nearly as upstanding a citizen as he.

Regardless of the availability of scholarships, to even insinuate that there is a disadvantage to being a white male in our society is to really show that you have much to learn about life.

There is much truth in the Chris Rock line: A black man has to fly to where the white man can walk.

Dude..thank you for that.

I am not black. I am not white, but I am not black. Every person that looks at me has a different guess regarding my ethnicity. Even though I am 50% negroid, I don't feel as though I've experienced tribulations that even approach a level that full blooded black people have. That being said, half of my family IS 100% black. My grandmother moved to Ohio from Jamaica in the 1950's. Yeah, black people were free in the 1950's, but they weren't anything that could be considered first-class citizens. My grandmother and grandfather (well-educated people from Jamaica) were segregated for the AMOUNT OF MELANIN IN THEIR SKIN

THE AMOUNT OF MELANIN IN THEIR SKIN

THE AMOUNT OF MELANIN IN THEIR SKIN

THE AMOUNT OF MELANIN IN THEIR SKIN

That is what made them second class citizens. Not even 60 years ago. My 88-year-old grandmother is still alive, and still lives in Painesville, Ohio. She has never committed a crime in her life, but she still lived half of her life being treated as less than human. She goes about it with more grace than I can.

(I say the following just for posterity, so that people don't think I'm just some militant)

I was RAISED by a white woman, a woman I love more than any other person. My father is black, and I couldn't care less about him. He is a soulless piece of money and pussy grubbing GARBAGE, and I tell him this. He don't care, and so I don't care.

(And I return)

Anyone who offers up the "When does it stop being a reason, and become an excuse" statement is wrong. That means you, Lathum (I like you Lathum, but I take your statement as an affront to a lot of people that I think have been treated very poorly, even up until this very day).. Racism ain't dead. It's a losing battle, but there are still soldiers fighting it, whether it be consciously or subconsciously. I feel lucky. I am not a victim of it. I know people who are constantly victims of it. Don't tell me it ain't so. It's so. That doesn't give anyone license to be an asshole, but it does give people other licenses, as Chris Rock said:

"White people complain about the double standard that black folks get to say the word "Nigger", and white folks don't. Well, last time I checked, that was the only advantage of being black."

DanGarion · 01-10-2009, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

as much as i want it to, don't think that'll be in our lifetime

Considering our President is black, I think we are closer then you think. Sure there will always be bigots and ignorant asses, but those types of people will always exist.

Noop · 01-10-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by INDalltheway

Noop (first off, your name backwards is "poon"), no offense but you just aren't coming off as a very intelligent person in this thread. You've even admitted to acting on emotion, which is not going to help you if you become a lawyer. My brother is currently a 2nd year law student and I honestly can't see you holding a professional conversation like you will be expected to do. You honestly sound like you would be better off in politics rather than law to be honest. I'm not doing this to flame or anything, but I'm sure I'm not the only person that sees it this way.

Seriously what is the point of this? You have no idea what my qualifications are and you're already saying I won't make it in law school. I don't care that your brother is in law school, what does that have to do with me? What does me going to law school have anything to do with this discussion?

I gave my opinion and others gave theirs yet no one is taking a dump about their occupation. That is twice now someone has taken a swipe at my intelligence, really what does that prove? I can spout off my accomplishments but what would that prove? I really don't get what some of you are trying to say... I am an idiot? In my twenty one years on this earth, I'm sure I am no more an idiot then you or anyone else was at twenty one.

Also I have no problem admitting my mistakes and trying to improve upon them, would you rather me continue arguing when I was clearly over the line for what I said? I don't know anything about you, but I think you should be in politics after your done with law school.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 01-10-2009, 10:24 AM

Rather than intelligence, I think what they might have been talking about is rationality in argument vs. emotionality in argument, and how the distinction is an important one for lawyers.

I *hope* no one is calling you an idiot.

Noop · 01-10-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Rather than intelligence, I think what they might have been talking about is rationality in argument vs. emotionality in argument, and how the distinction is an important one for lawyers.

I *hope* no one is calling you an idiot.

I understand the difference clearly, this is a message board and not a seminar. That's why it is puzzling when someone questions whether I am in law school or not. This board is not school, when I'm in school I keep my opinions to myself.

molson · 01-10-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I understand the difference clearly, this is a message board and not a seminar. That's why it is puzzling when someone questions whether I am in law school or not. This board is not school, when I'm in school I keep my opinions to myself.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even law students, so I don't quite understand that attack at all. There's really no legal arguments in this thread, so I don't see how you're "crossing any lines" in that regard.

Starting law school at 21-22 is pretty amazing. It's both a risk and an opportunity. If you succeed, you have a huge head start and can be well on your way by the time you're 30. But a good number of the 1L drop-outs are around that age as well. Bear down in that first semester and you'll be in great shape.

Lathum · 01-10-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Rather than intelligence, I think what they might have been talking about is rationality in argument vs. emotionality in argument, and how the distinction is an important one for lawyers.

I *hope* no one is calling you an idiot.

I was one of the people who ask Noop about being a lawyer. I was in no way attempting to be critical of his intellegence or his chances to become a lawyer. I wish him nothing but the best. Through other conversations I have had with Noop ( especialy about guns) I realize he is younger and comes from a different place then I do, hence he has a far different perspective then I could ever have. I admire him for carrying on the discussions he does here in such a candid manner when most people would just say F off.

I was asking him about being a lawyer because I interpreted his posts as trying, convicting and sentencing the guy before he ever entered a courtroom.

Lathum · 01-10-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

Anyone who offers up the "When does it stop being a reason, and become an excuse" statement is wrong. That means you, Lathum (I like you Lathum, but I take your statement as an affront to a lot of people that I think have been treated very poorly, even up until this very day).. Racism ain't dead. It's a losing battle, but there are still soldiers fighting it, whether it be consciously or subconsciously.

I completly agree with you that racism still exists. My point is that any battle worth winning takes hard work.

I realize minorities are at a huge disadvantage in this country, nut there are opprotunities there. IMO you have no right to complain when there are ways you can get out.

I learned a lesson a long time ago, there are 2 decision you can make. One is the right decision and one is the comfortable decision. The right decision is usually way more diffucult.

I would never for one second pretend I know what it is like to be in a school that doesn't have the proper facilities, etc...but at some point if things are going to change there needs to be actions, no one is going to hand it to you, you need to work hard to take it.

If I offended you or anyone I am truly sorry, that wasn't my intention.

INDalltheway · 01-10-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Seriously what is the point of this? You have no idea what my qualifications are and you're already saying I won't make it in law school. I don't care that your brother is in law school, what does that have to do with me? What does me going to law school have anything to do with this discussion?

I gave my opinion and others gave theirs yet no one is taking a dump about their occupation. That is twice now someone has taken a swipe at my intelligence, really what does that prove? I can spout off my accomplishments but what would that prove? I really don't get what some of you are trying to say... I am an idiot? In my twenty one years on this earth, I'm sure I am no more an idiot then you or anyone else was at twenty one.

Also I have no problem admitting my mistakes and trying to improve upon them, would you rather me continue arguing when I was clearly over the line for what I said? I don't know anything about you, but I think you should be in politics after your done with law school.

First off I never said you wouldn't make it in Law school. I'm merely trying to point out that you have some growing up to do. In essence thinking before you speak, and most importantly not butchering the use of "your" and "you're".. This is like the 100th time I've seen you screw it up and it tilts the hell out of me. Sorry, I get agitated easily.

jeff061 · 01-10-2009, 05:35 PM

For christ sake this is a message board. Somehow I tend to think he'll take law school and being a lawyer a little more seriously. People criticizing someone's real life situation based on posts in a thread are causing me to facepalm even more than usual. And christ, grammar attacks? Really?

I mean if you just want to insult a lawyer, that's fine, who doesn't? Just be honest about it damn it!

Noop · 01-14-2009, 06:50 PM

BART Slaying 'Intentional'; Murder Charge Filed - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

Apparently it was intentional.

Edit: The DA thinks it was intentional.

DanGarion · 01-14-2009, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

BART Slaying 'Intentional'; Murder Charge Filed - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

Apparently it was intentional.

Wow that's just sick that someone would take a persons life like that. I hope he is prosecuted to the fullest extent of law.

-edit : if it's actually intentional.

molson · 01-14-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

BART Slaying 'Intentional'; Murder Charge Filed - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

Apparently it was intentional.

Edit: The DA thinks it was intentional.

That's just to get him to plead to manslaughter. I don't see how they can prove murder (from what we know publicly).

Bad-example · 01-15-2009, 11:34 AM

I wonder if those buffoons that marched down the street destroying cars think they forced "the Man" into charging this guy.

ace1914 · 01-21-2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad-example

I wonder if those buffoons that marched down the street destroying cars think they forced "the Man" into charging this guy.

What is this? A blaxsploitation film? Newsflash: Its 2009 and we have a black president, no one really says "The Man" anymore.

The whole issue comes down to education. As our society becomes more and more educated, we'll make fewer and fewer irrational decisions. Rioting in this case was completely irrational.

Or we need to be attacked by an alien race that eats all humans regardless of color. I bet people wouldn't be racist then....

Klinglerware · 01-21-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

Or we need to be attacked by an alien race that eats all humans regardless of color. I bet people wouldn't be racist then....

Wouldn't they be racist against the aliens, though? Once again, the Ronald Reagan theory on world peace and racial harmony, ftw!

Noop · 01-21-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

What is this? A blaxsploitation film? Newsflash: Its 2009 and we have a black president, no one really says "The Man" anymore.

The whole issue comes down to education. As our society becomes more and more educated, we'll make fewer and fewer irrational decisions. Rioting in this case was completely irrational.

Or we need to be attacked by an alien race that eats all humans regardless of color. I bet people wouldn't be racist then....

Just because the president is black doesn't mean there isn't any racism, it means that progress has been made(rather quickly in my opinion) but we have a long way to go before it doesn't exist.

Pumpy Tudors · 01-21-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ace1914

What is this? A blaxsploitation film?

I wish. If it were, I'd grow out my afro, take my pants off, and everyone in this thread would be walking funny until Easter.

Noop · 01-28-2009, 06:35 PM

Video

The video of him punching him.

BART Promises Investigation Of Second Officer's Punch - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

The article.

You know what I am not even angry, I am disappointed and wish that things didn't have to be this way.

RainMaker · 01-28-2009, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

Video

The video of him punching him.

BART Promises Investigation Of Second Officer's Punch - News Story - KTVU San Francisco

The article.

You know what I am not even angry, I am disappointed and wish that things didn't have to be this way.

Damn, that's pretty messed up too. I mean we know this stuff goes on in major cities, but to do it in front of a ton of spectators seems real dumb.

I'd like to give these guys the benefit of the doubt and think it's a big accident. But putting all the videos together, this looks to me like an assault and execution.

RainMaker · 01-28-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

That's just to get him to plead to manslaughter. I don't see how they can prove murder (from what we know publicly).

The videotape says it all. The guy pulls out his gun and shoots the guy. The fact they have another officer beat the crap out of the guy beforehand sort of hurts the whole "accident" argument in my book.

molson · 07-09-2010, 12:40 AM

I didn't even know this trial was going on, but we have a verdict of involuntary manslaughter.

Jury delivers involuntary manslaughter verdict in Oakland shooting - CNN.com

Izulde · 07-09-2010, 01:16 AM

So that's why a friend of mine in SF posted she hoped there wouldn't be riots cuz she needed to ride the BART.

RainMaker · 07-09-2010, 01:18 AM

Guess they had police telling people to get home from work and such early before the verdict just in case.

larrymcg421 · 07-09-2010, 01:19 AM

Wow. What a bullshit verdict. What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they shot someone in the same manner?

molson · 07-09-2010, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Wow. What a bullshit verdict. What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they shot someone in the same manner?

If a regular guy had a gun legally (and actually had a reason to have the gun besides the killing), had no apparent reason to shoot somebody, and looked surprised after the shot was fired - it might be tough to prove the necessary intent for 1st-degree murder if you didn't have anything else. I don't know if they had anything else, I have no idea what evidence was presented to show state of mind. His reaction afterwards (that we didn't see on video) would be important, I wonder if he said anything to anyone.

AENeuman · 07-09-2010, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Wow. What a bullshit verdict. What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they shot someone in the same manner?

What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they performed surgery on someone in the same manner as a doctor?

larrymcg421 · 07-09-2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AENeuman

What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they performed surgery on someone in the same manner as a doctor?

That's a terrible analogy. Did the doctor randomly stab the patient in the throat and then act surprised that the patient died? If so, then I'd be just as pissed if he got involuntary manslaughter.

molson · 07-09-2010, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Did the doctor randomly stab the patient in the throat and then act surprised that the patient died? If so, then I'd be just as pissed if he got involuntary manslaughter.

That's a good analogy. If his defense was that it was a high stress, emergency situation (maybe some kind of medical intervention outside the hospital, in a potentially dangerous environment) and he fucked up and used a scalpel instead of a needle - It would be difficult to prove malice intent, and especially premeditation (I'm not 100% sure premeditation was a required element of whatever they charged him with in the BART case).

Glengoyne · 07-09-2010, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by larrymcg421

Wow. What a bullshit verdict. What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they shot someone in the same manner?

Seriously? Bullshit verdict? I mean you understand how the trial process works...beyond a reasonable doubt and all of that.

An average person wouldn't be carrying a gun and legitimately pointing it at someone. If this situation stops where the guy pulls the gun and points it at someone, we don't hear of it again. This guy can safely state that he was doing his job right up until the point where he pulls the trigger. If he says that was an accident....How exactly does someone prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is lying, and that it was intentional?

Sgran · 07-09-2010, 06:29 AM

How long is he going to be behind bars?

miked · 07-09-2010, 08:09 AM

Max sentence is 4 years, though the judge could increase it because a gun was used. I'm with Larry here, sort of. Are we really supposed to believe that this guy thought he was drawing and firing his taser? Are cops that dumb? That was his defense, an accident and thought he was drawing his taser. I guess they weigh the same as guns and have the same trigger as well. I can understand heat of the moment, but the dude was pinned down by another cop and subdued.

I also find it a bit odd that a jury of his peers in Oakland encompassed 12 white people.

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path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	An anecdote. My oldest friend is a regional director for a Fortune 500 corporation. Workaholic -- he's probably averaged 60-70 hours a week for the past 20 years. Makes a damn good salary and earns it. Lives in a very nice neighborhood. Just finished putting his fourth and last kid through college. Takes a cab or gets a ride if he's had one beer. I would consider him an upstanding citizen. He also gets stopped, ordered out of his car and rousted a couple of times per year (he is black). This has never once happened to me, and I will freely admit to not being nearly as upstanding a citizen as he. Regardless of the availability of scholarships, to even insinuate that there is a disadvantage to being a white male in our society is to really show that you have much to learn about life. There is much truth in the Chris Rock line: A black man has to fly to where the white man can walk. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia. Last edited by path12 : 01-09-2009 at 10:50 PM.

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Ronnie Dobbs2 Pro Rookie Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Bahston Mass	Rather than intelligence, I think what they might have been talking about is rationality in argument vs. emotionality in argument, and how the distinction is an important one for lawyers. I hope no one is calling you an idiot. __________________ There's no I in Teamocil, at least not where you'd think

01-10-2009, 05:35 PM	#228
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	For christ sake this is a message board. Somehow I tend to think he'll take law school and being a lawyer a little more seriously. People criticizing someone's real life situation based on posts in a thread are causing me to facepalm even more than usual. And christ, grammar attacks? Really? I mean if you just want to insult a lawyer, that's fine, who doesn't? Just be honest about it damn it! __________________

01-14-2009, 06:50 PM	#229
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	BART Slaying 'Intentional'; Murder Charge Filed - News Story - KTVU San Francisco Apparently it was intentional. Edit: The DA thinks it was intentional. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater. Last edited by Noop : 01-14-2009 at 07:01 PM.

01-28-2009, 06:35 PM	#237
Noop Bonafide Seminole Fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Miami	Jan 27 - New Video of another BART Officer punching Oscar Grant prior to his slaying Video The video of him punching him. BART Promises Investigation Of Second Officer's Punch - News Story - KTVU San Francisco The article. You know what I am not even angry, I am disappointed and wish that things didn't have to be this way. __________________ Subby's favorite woman hater.

01-09-2009, 04:38 PM	#201
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- I would love to start a poll about how people feel about the death penalty, but I probably know how that would end.

01-09-2009, 08:57 PM	#207
SFL Cat College Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South Florida	OMG, the truth is out...all us white people might as well quit pretending and pull the white hoods and robes out of those hiding places.

01-10-2009, 01:51 AM	#215
condors College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Waiting for a world where the color of a persons skin is never a point of topic like this.

01-10-2009, 03:21 AM	#218
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Noop (first off, your name backwards is "poon"), no offense but you just aren't coming off as a very intelligent person in this thread. You've even admitted to acting on emotion, which is not going to help you if you become a lawyer. My brother is currently a 2nd year law student and I honestly can't see you holding a professional conversation like you will be expected to do. You honestly sound like you would be better off in politics rather than law to be honest. I'm not doing this to flame or anything, but I'm sure I'm not the only person that sees it this way. I am a white male that has grown up around very little racism. This even coming from a small, mostly white town in Indiana. Sure you have the racist idiots who truly make you ashamed to be white because the assumptions these people cause. I seriously feel like this hate needs to go away and I feel like my generation is becoming much better. Personally, I don't think any different if I see a black or white person walk by. The majority of my peers think the exact same way. I really just wish people would stop thinking the world was out to get them. Take advantage of all your opportunities, and attempt to make up that 40-0 disadvantage if that is what you were dealt. Nothing good is coming out of bringing up history that myself and the other white males had nothing to do with.

01-15-2009, 11:34 AM	#232
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	I wonder if those buffoons that marched down the street destroying cars think they forced "the Man" into charging this guy.

07-09-2010, 12:40 AM	#240
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I didn't even know this trial was going on, but we have a verdict of involuntary manslaughter. Jury delivers involuntary manslaughter verdict in Oakland shooting - CNN.com

07-09-2010, 01:16 AM	#241
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	So that's why a friend of mine in SF posted she hoped there wouldn't be riots cuz she needed to ride the BART. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

07-09-2010, 01:18 AM	#242
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Guess they had police telling people to get home from work and such early before the verdict just in case.

07-09-2010, 01:19 AM	#243
larrymcg421 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Georgia	Wow. What a bullshit verdict. What are the odds that the average person could get an involuntary manslaughter verdict if they shot someone in the same manner? __________________ Top 10 Songs of the Year 1955-Present (1976 Added) Franchise Portfolio Draft Winner Fictional Character Draft Winner Television Family Draft Winner Build Your Own Hollywood Studio Draft Winner

07-09-2010, 06:29 AM	#249
Sgran High School Varsity Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Budapest	How long is he going to be behind bars? __________________ What the hell is Mike Brown diagramming for them during timeouts? Is he like the guy from "Memento" or something? Guys, I just thought of something … what if we ran a high screen for LeBron?

07-09-2010, 08:09 AM	#250
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Max sentence is 4 years, though the judge could increase it because a gun was used. I'm with Larry here, sort of. Are we really supposed to believe that this guy thought he was drawing and firing his taser? Are cops that dumb? That was his defense, an accident and thought he was drawing his taser. I guess they weigh the same as guns and have the same trigger as well. I can understand heat of the moment, but the dude was pinned down by another cop and subdued. I also find it a bit odd that a jury of his peers in Oakland encompassed 12 white people. __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

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