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Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:25 PM

BTW, leftover top sirloin turned into a sandwich = yummy

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:26 PM

Alan

I can always move my vote back. I saw something that stood out, and rather then vote for a guy because of his affiliation to a sports team I actually decided to make an educated vote.

lerriuqs · 11-02-2009, 08:26 PM

Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal.

My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

EagleFan · 11-02-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Well, I have a serious problem with the last 20 minutes. maybe it is because I sped read to catch up on the thread and only really focused on the last twenty minutes...

But in that time I've seen Lathum campaign for Passacaglia.
Eaglefan campaign for me, and then for The Jackal
Lerriuqs move a vote to the jackal immediately after Eaglefan did

Maybe I am reading too much into things, but it feels like these three are actively trying to make a momentum shift here and I haven't seen the reason for it.

I would vote for you in a heartbeat if others voted for you BUT YOU HAD NO VOTES. It's pretty easy logic to follow.

hoopsguy · 11-02-2009, 08:28 PM

Based on the reveal, which is pretty sure to be contested shortly if bogus:

UNVOTE LERRIUQS
VOTE EAGLEFAN

Alan T · 11-02-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Alan

I can always move my vote back. I saw something that stood out, and rather then vote for a guy because of his affiliation to a sports team I actually decided to make an educated vote.

Yeah, I apologize if my timing was off some. Its hard for me to get great feels when speedreading. Just when I read through earlier it felt to me that you wern't using that excuse until it came down to the wire with a neck to neck race. (ie: you could have moved your vote off way earlier today, even when it looked like Eaglefan was going to get some consideration for a vote, but chose not to then).

So it just feels a little weird when considering it all together in one event over the last 30 minutes is all.

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:29 PM

All right, unless the kids wake up I have some time here. I usually like to vote mid day and stick to it rather than jump in at the end. So I'm going to try to think this out.

Main argument against EF seems to be JAG's, which came at post 132, and was that it was odd that EF got up to three votes early and then just stalled there for a good bit of time. I can see that point. Then again I know that my inclination is not to create a runaway early in the game by piling on to a lead vote getter, so I think it's just as likely others were thinking like me.

Main argument against Lerriuqs is that he is quiet, I think, and people wanted to put pressure on an UTR player. I made the same sort of vote against Schmidty that didn't go anywhere. Lerriuqs gathered some steam though with votes by JAG, J23 and Darth putting him in the lead.

More of interest to me is that as soon as Darth put Lerriuqs in the lead, JAG unvoted him and voted EF, putting him back in the lead, and Jackal followed with a vote of EF, then Pass a few more votes on. This seems like the most glaring "suspicious movement" I've found so far.

Case against jackal I think originally was that Hoops thought he was a guy he wanted to get active, similar UTR argument. Didn't gain any momentum after Pass's unvote until recently, with the search for a third candidate. I usually wish for a 3rd candidate day one myself, so it could be just that, especially given that it was largely composed of the two vote getters.

Not really a case against any of these three that i can see. However the movement away from Lerriuqs is the only thing that stand out to me.

EagleFan · 11-02-2009, 08:29 PM

Is he is a seer role than vote for me but a third party makes more sense. I am the witness but his role is more important than mine.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal.

My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

Hmmm, not a great idea to lynch the scanner 1.0 although it seems scanner 2.0 is probably the better one of the two. The issue with moving (even if you are telling the truth is we all have roles, so if EF is a villager we still lose something valuable. That said, I am obviously strongly looking at switching now.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:30 PM

Hmm now we have two reveals. witness and scanner 2.0. I actually am thinking the witness is a better role

Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:30 PM

Sorry, scanner 1.0

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Yeah, I apologize if my timing was off some. Its hard for me to get great feels when speedreading. Just when I read through earlier it felt to me that you wern't using that excuse until it came down to the wire with a neck to neck race. (ie: you could have moved your vote off way earlier today, even when it looked like Eaglefan was going to get some consideration for a vote, but chose not to then).

So it just feels a little weird when considering it all together in one event over the last 30 minutes is all.

I made my change with an hour and a half to deadline.

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Well, scrap all that. Anyone going to contest that reveal? 'cause it shoots a hole in the only inkling of evidence i had. lol

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:31 PM

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN
VOTE THE JACKAL

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Hmm now we have two reveals. witness and scanner 2.0. I actually am thinking the witness is a better role

WAit, where?

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:32 PM

anyone have a vote count?

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 08:32 PM

Eaglefan 7 - Schmidty (64), Alan T (96), Jag (132), Jackal (134), KWhit (170), lerriuqs (195), Hoopsguy (205)
Lerriuqs 5 - Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), LSG (147), GoldenEagle (179)
The Jackal 3 - DaddyTorgo (139), Eaglefan (173), Passacaglia (214)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Schmidty 1 - Autumn (119)
Pass 1 - Lathum (151)

AS OF POST 216

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:32 PM

God, you guys are posting too fast, lol. Okay I found it. EF next time emphasize that a bit more!

Hmm.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:32 PM

Unvote Lerriuqs
Vote The Jackal

I believe witness is the superior role this game over scanner 1.0, so will switch back if necessary, but might as well test out a 3rd candidate and since I was looking at Jackal anyway, i will go along here.

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

WAit, where?

208

Alan T · 11-02-2009, 08:33 PM

Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways.

UNVOTE Eaglefan

Vote Lathum

Alan T · 11-02-2009, 08:33 PM

Ok, as I mentioned earlier. Falcons game is coming on. So I'm likely out until after deadline.

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways.

UNVOTE Eaglefan

Vote Lathum

WTF is this?

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:34 PM

Unvote Pass
Vote Jackal

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways.

UNVOTE Eaglefan

Vote Lathum

If you believe that both EF and lerriuqs are probably good, doesn't that kind of clear Lathum as well? I mean, if the suspicion is that he's trying to draw people away from the two of them, the fact that they're both good kind of takes that theory away, right?

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:34 PM

at least I am willing to cast a vote that may mean something

lerriuqs · 11-02-2009, 08:35 PM

Unvote Eaglefan

Vote Jackal

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

WTF is this?

It's a vote for you, made by Alan T.

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:36 PM

I don't know if we have enough around to unvote EF and Lerriuqs. I'm going to vote Jackal just to minimize the chances of these two roles getting lynched. Here's hoping he doesn't have a better role.

UNVOTE SCHMIDTY
VOTE THE JACKAL

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

It's a vote for you, made by Alan T.

well Duh.

It is also an ultimate noncommittal vote.

PurdueBrad · 11-02-2009, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Eaglefan 5 - Schmidty (64), Jag (132), Jackal (134), KWhit (170), Hoopsguy (205)
Lerriuqs 4 - J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), LSG (147), GoldenEagle (179)
The Jackal 7 - DaddyTorgo (139), Eaglefan (173), Passacaglia (214), Danny (218), Lathum (224), lerriuqs (227), Autumn (229)
JAG 1 - dubb93 (115)
Lathum 1- Alan T (221)
AS OF POST 231

UPDATED

Alan T · 11-02-2009, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If you believe that both EF and lerriuqs are probably good, doesn't that kind of clear Lathum as well? I mean, if the suspicion is that he's trying to draw people away from the two of them, the fact that they're both good kind of takes that theory away, right?

I didn't say that I believe both of them. It is kind of convenient that we have two important roles in the run off at the same time? I just have always said it is usually a mistake to do the wolves work for them there if you guess wrong.

So instead I am putting my vote somewhere that can possibly tell me more about these two instead of just waiting around to let the wolves possibly do my job for me.

I will not be ramrodded into having only one vote that I possibly can make to make people happy. I like where my vote is just fine. If you don't agree with it then don't join me there. I think it personally tells us a ton more about today than the Jackal vote does though.

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:38 PM

okay, guess we did have enough. Sorry, my kids are both sick and I have to keep running to deal with them, and by then everything's changed.

EagleFan · 11-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

okay, guess we did have enough. Sorry, my kids are both sick and I have to keep running to deal with them, and by then everything's changed.

Sorry to hear about the kids being sick, hope they feel better.

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

So instead I am putting my vote somewhere that can possibly tell me more about these two instead of just waiting around to let the wolves possibly do my job for me.
.

So let me get this straight.

You slam me for switching to Pass an hour and a half prior to deadline, then with 25 minutes left you switch to me, someone with no votes?

Way to distance yourself from the voting records.

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan T

I didn't say that I believe both of them. It is kind of convenient that we have two important roles in the run off at the same time? I just have always said it is usually a mistake to do the wolves work for them there if you guess wrong.

If that's the case why the vote on me?

I'm not making this argument because it is me, I am making it because this vote reeks of trying to steer clear of any controversy.

Enjoy the Falcons game.

hoopsguy · 11-02-2009, 08:43 PM

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN
VOTE LATHUM

Honestly, I trust Alan more than I trust this emerging run at the moment. Will try to get back to change if needed, but the double reveal + run on guy who is not here smells very, very fishy to me.

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:44 PM

UNVOTE THE JACKAL
VOTE LATHUM

I'm up for making it interesting, since I doubt EF and lerriuqs will get more votes at this point.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:45 PM

Unvote Jackal
Vote Lathum

Let's turn this back into a two person race and I do happen to trust AlanT's gut more than mine assuming he is good.

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:45 PM

Great minds think alike...and so do ours!

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:46 PM

I hate last minute reveals. No time to work up another candidate. Can you guys point out your dirt on Lathum? Quickly? lol

LoneStarGirl · 11-02-2009, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lerriuqs

Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal.

My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

I guess that I can believe that for now and switch my vote.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Great minds think alike...and so do ours!

JAG · 11-02-2009, 08:47 PM

UNVOTE EAGLEFAN

I don't see much reason to keep this vote, assuming he's telling the truth.

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:47 PM

So speaking of runs...

Autumn · 11-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Well, that was before I saw even more votes. I thought Jackal was getting a last minute run, that was nothing.

lerriuqs · 11-02-2009, 08:47 PM

Unvote Jackal

Vote Lathum

I trust AlanT and I don't really like voting out the guys who aren't here either...

Passacaglia · 11-02-2009, 08:47 PM

I see 5 for The Jackal, 4 for Lathum. 4 each for EF and lerriuqs.

Lathum · 11-02-2009, 08:48 PM

I have no defense here except someone is trying to save someone else.

LoneStarGirl · 11-02-2009, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I made my change with an hour and a half to deadline.

an hour and a half? I only have 13 minutes now till deadline

11-02-2009, 08:32 PM	#217
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Eaglefan 7 - Schmidty (64), Alan T (96), Jag (132), Jackal (134), KWhit (170), lerriuqs (195), Hoopsguy (205) Lerriuqs 5 - Danny (92), J23 (122), Darth Vilius (127), LSG (147), GoldenEagle (179) The Jackal 3 - DaddyTorgo (139), Eaglefan (173), Passacaglia (214) JAG 1 - dubb93 (115) Schmidty 1 - Autumn (119) Pass 1 - Lathum (151) AS OF POST 216 Last edited by PurdueBrad : 11-02-2009 at 08:33 PM.

11-02-2009, 08:33 PM	#221
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Hmm... I guess I don't see a wolf vs wolf reveal against each other. It doesn't hurt to let a possible reveal live longer. if they are what they say they are, they'll likely be night targets sooner then later anyways. UNVOTE Eaglefan Vote Lathum __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

11-02-2009, 08:33 PM	#222
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Ok, as I mentioned earlier. Falcons game is coming on. So I'm likely out until after deadline. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

11-02-2009, 08:25 PM	#201
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	BTW, leftover top sirloin turned into a sandwich = yummy

11-02-2009, 08:26 PM	#202
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Alan I can always move my vote back. I saw something that stood out, and rather then vote for a guy because of his affiliation to a sports team I actually decided to make an educated vote.

11-02-2009, 08:26 PM	#203
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Alright, I may not live much longer than today, but I'm going to reveal. My role is Scanner 1.0. You're lynching one of the half-"seers"

11-02-2009, 08:28 PM	#205
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Based on the reveal, which is pretty sure to be contested shortly if bogus: UNVOTE LERRIUQS VOTE EAGLEFAN

11-02-2009, 08:29 PM	#207
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	All right, unless the kids wake up I have some time here. I usually like to vote mid day and stick to it rather than jump in at the end. So I'm going to try to think this out. Main argument against EF seems to be JAG's, which came at post 132, and was that it was odd that EF got up to three votes early and then just stalled there for a good bit of time. I can see that point. Then again I know that my inclination is not to create a runaway early in the game by piling on to a lead vote getter, so I think it's just as likely others were thinking like me. Main argument against Lerriuqs is that he is quiet, I think, and people wanted to put pressure on an UTR player. I made the same sort of vote against Schmidty that didn't go anywhere. Lerriuqs gathered some steam though with votes by JAG, J23 and Darth putting him in the lead. More of interest to me is that as soon as Darth put Lerriuqs in the lead, JAG unvoted him and voted EF, putting him back in the lead, and Jackal followed with a vote of EF, then Pass a few more votes on. This seems like the most glaring "suspicious movement" I've found so far. Case against jackal I think originally was that Hoops thought he was a guy he wanted to get active, similar UTR argument. Didn't gain any momentum after Pass's unvote until recently, with the search for a third candidate. I usually wish for a 3rd candidate day one myself, so it could be just that, especially given that it was largely composed of the two vote getters. Not really a case against any of these three that i can see. However the movement away from Lerriuqs is the only thing that stand out to me.

11-02-2009, 08:29 PM	#208
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Is he is a seer role than vote for me but a third party makes more sense. I am the witness but his role is more important than mine.

11-02-2009, 08:30 PM	#210
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Hmm now we have two reveals. witness and scanner 2.0. I actually am thinking the witness is a better role

11-02-2009, 08:30 PM	#211
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Sorry, scanner 1.0

11-02-2009, 08:31 PM	#213
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, scrap all that. Anyone going to contest that reveal? 'cause it shoots a hole in the only inkling of evidence i had. lol

11-02-2009, 08:31 PM	#214
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	UNVOTE EAGLEFAN VOTE THE JACKAL

11-02-2009, 08:32 PM	#216
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	anyone have a vote count?

11-02-2009, 08:32 PM	#218
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	God, you guys are posting too fast, lol. Okay I found it. EF next time emphasize that a bit more! Hmm.

11-02-2009, 08:32 PM	#219
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unvote Lerriuqs Vote The Jackal I believe witness is the superior role this game over scanner 1.0, so will switch back if necessary, but might as well test out a 3rd candidate and since I was looking at Jackal anyway, i will go along here.

11-02-2009, 08:34 PM	#224
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Unvote Pass Vote Jackal

11-02-2009, 08:34 PM	#226
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	at least I am willing to cast a vote that may mean something

11-02-2009, 08:35 PM	#227
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Unvote Eaglefan Vote Jackal

11-02-2009, 08:36 PM	#229
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I don't know if we have enough around to unvote EF and Lerriuqs. I'm going to vote Jackal just to minimize the chances of these two roles getting lynched. Here's hoping he doesn't have a better role. UNVOTE SCHMIDTY VOTE THE JACKAL

11-02-2009, 08:38 PM	#233
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	okay, guess we did have enough. Sorry, my kids are both sick and I have to keep running to deal with them, and by then everything's changed.

11-02-2009, 08:43 PM	#237
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	UNVOTE EAGLEFAN VOTE LATHUM Honestly, I trust Alan more than I trust this emerging run at the moment. Will try to get back to change if needed, but the double reveal + run on guy who is not here smells very, very fishy to me.

11-02-2009, 08:44 PM	#238
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	UNVOTE THE JACKAL VOTE LATHUM I'm up for making it interesting, since I doubt EF and lerriuqs will get more votes at this point.

11-02-2009, 08:45 PM	#239
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Unvote Jackal Vote Lathum Let's turn this back into a two person race and I do happen to trust AlanT's gut more than mine assuming he is good.

11-02-2009, 08:45 PM	#240
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Great minds think alike...and so do ours!

11-02-2009, 08:46 PM	#241
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	I hate last minute reveals. No time to work up another candidate. Can you guys point out your dirt on Lathum? Quickly? lol

11-02-2009, 08:47 PM	#244
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	UNVOTE EAGLEFAN I don't see much reason to keep this vote, assuming he's telling the truth.

11-02-2009, 08:47 PM	#245
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So speaking of runs...

11-02-2009, 08:47 PM	#246
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well, that was before I saw even more votes. I thought Jackal was getting a last minute run, that was nothing.

11-02-2009, 08:47 PM	#247
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	Unvote Jackal Vote Lathum I trust AlanT and I don't really like voting out the guys who aren't here either...

11-02-2009, 08:47 PM	#248
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I see 5 for The Jackal, 4 for Lathum. 4 each for EF and lerriuqs.

11-02-2009, 08:48 PM	#249
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I have no defense here except someone is trying to save someone else.

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