Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER) - Page 5

Schmidty · 10-23-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

I have to vote, so, in order to determine who my initial vote will fall on, I rolled a d20. I'd re-roll a 20. That means there is a 1 in 19 chance that I would vote for anybody, including myself.

I rolled a 14. Who is that?

Me. I rolled my frickin' self.

Well hell

Vote Anxiety

I feel like I'm being tricked, but:

VOTE ANXIETY

ntndeacon · 10-23-2007, 04:36 PM

That's ok Schmidty. I feel you are being tricked as well. I doubt voting either hoops or Anxiety off will help us any.

Telle · 10-23-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I feel like I'm being tricked, but:

VOTE ANXIETY

Hrrmmm.. you do have a point there. But then the question is he being good-tricky or evil-tricky?

hoopsguy · 10-23-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

That's ok Schmidty. I feel you are being tricked as well. I doubt voting either hoops or Anxiety off will help us any.

I 100% agree with half of this statement, but I'm wondering what is the basis for this comment?

ntndeacon · 10-23-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I 100% agree with half of this statement, but I'm wondering what is the basis for this comment?

No real basis, hoops. I do believe that both of the first two people pushed are usually innocent. Plus I don't really see why Anxiety is being piled on. Or that Barkeep found it necc to put 5 on you.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

That's ok Schmidty. I feel you are being tricked as well. I doubt voting either hoops or Anxiety off will help us any.

Unvote Hoops

Anxiety was in and didn't express concern about his having so many votes. It's weird. I'm leaning in that direction but am going to hold off for the time being.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

No real basis, hoops. I do believe that both of the first two people pushed are usually innocent. Plus I don't really see why Anxiety is being piled on. Or that Barkeep found it necc to put 5 on you.

Gah. No real reason? Sheesh.

Well I've unvoted and I'll stay that way for the moment, though this puts hoops right back on my radar.

Racer · 10-23-2007, 05:06 PM

Hey guys, this is only the second game of werewolf I’ve ever played, but doesn’t splitting the vote six ways make it a lot easier for the Titans to manipulate? I might switch this vote later because I don't see much to go on right now, but for now:

Vote: Hoopsguy

Passacaglia · 10-23-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

You guys do know that Anxiety is moving his vote once he realizes that you're all piling on him, right?

That's exactly why I voted for him -- to get him to move his vote. I'm not looking to kill him, or start a bandwagon -- I just want to get a vote out of him. The longer he waits, the more it will be self-preservation, but it is what it is.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 05:08 PM

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE BARKEEP

if he really did commit 5 action points for his vote then he is either a bad guy and perhaps doesn't need action points or he is a villager who isn't very important.

ntndeacon · 10-23-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Gah. No real reason? Sheesh.

Well I've unvoted and I'll stay that way for the moment, though this puts hoops right back on my radar.

I haven't had time to get info on anyone yet, just like everyone else. It wasn't even the idea of hoops being on your radar that was distrirbing to me. It was pouring on the votes so others feel they have to throw in the leading candidate to stay up with you.
As for Anxiety, it seemed reaching to me to vote him after what at least seemedto be a whimsical day 1 vote.
So neither are really trusted, but comparatively they more trusted than those that voted for them.

st.cronin · 10-23-2007, 05:24 PM

Wow, strange day 1. I'm against revealing AP/votes, but I also think nobody should be using more than 1, especially on day 1. How can anybody possibly feel good about their day 1 vote?

VOTE BARKEEP49

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Unvote Hoops

Anxiety was in and didn't express concern about his having so many votes. It's weird. I'm leaning in that direction but am going to hold off for the time being.

I directly responded to one vote and its comments. How is that not expressing concern? Do you want outrage? Me getting really pissed at the people around me? I am rarely that sort of WW player.

I am rarely warlike.

If you feel the need to vote off a fellow god on Day One, well, at least I'm no seer. Someone's gotta go. I hold no grudges if its me. I'd prefer it not to be me, but you won;t see me all red in the face.

Schmidty · 10-23-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

I directly responded to one vote and its comments. How is that not expressing concern? Do you want outrage? Me getting really pissed at the people around me? I am rarely that sort of WW player.

I am rarely warlike.

If you feel the need to vote off a fellow god on Day One, well, at least I'm no seer. Someone's gotta go. I hold no grudges if its me. I'd prefer it not to be me, but you won;t see me all red in the face.

You shouldn't have voted for yourself, regardless of why.

It's like playing with a ouija board, and then being suprised and disappointed that you're being tormented by demons.

Schmidty · 10-23-2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

You shouldn't have voted for yourself, regardless of why.

It's like playing with a ouija board, and then being suprised and disappointed that you're being tormented by demons.

By the way, the ouija reference popped into my mind because last night's "Coast to Coast A.M." show was about demons and exorcisms. I get bored at night, and that dumb show entertains me.

Abe Sargent · 10-23-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

You shouldn't have voted for yourself, regardless of why.

It's like playing with a ouija board, and then being suprised and disappointed that you're being tormented by demons.

No probs. I can reveal who I am if i need to, and everybody will feel silly. Just prefer not to give the wolves that info.

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 06:02 PM

I'm really not liking this piling on of anxiety, nor do I like any better the sudden leap onto hoops and barkeep. I haven't seen anything from any of them to really warrent the attention.

Passacaglia · 10-23-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm really not liking this piling on of anxiety, nor do I like any better the sudden leap onto hoops and barkeep. I haven't seen anything from any of them to really warrent the attention.

The thing is, you've seen even less from anyone else.

hoopsguy · 10-23-2007, 06:09 PM

At this point, with no one promising super-votes in my direction, I'll put out a semi-reasoned vote.

I didn't like the vote from Lathum earlier. I thought he was being opportunistic with his vote as a potential pile-on while stating it was to prevent an Anxiety run-away.

Other people that I would consider, for various reasons:
- Ardent: get the impression he is playing his cards very close to the vest so far. Friend or enemy?
- Neon/Barkeep: did not like the idea of mass reveal, felt that these were the two ringleaders

VOTE LATHUM (likely to be a single vote if I'm not in self-preservation mode)

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

At this point, with no one promising super-votes in my direction, I'll put out a semi-reasoned vote.

I didn't like the vote from Lathum earlier. I thought he was being opportunistic with his vote as a potential pile-on while stating it was to prevent an Anxiety run-away.

Other people that I would consider, for various reasons:
- Ardent: get the impression he is playing his cards very close to the vest so far. Friend or enemy?
- Neon/Barkeep: did not like the idea of mass reveal, felt that these were the two ringleaders

VOTE LATHUM (likely to be a single vote if I'm not in self-preservation mode)

you know I unvoted you, right?

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm really not liking this piling on of anxiety, nor do I like any better the sudden leap onto hoops and barkeep. I haven't seen anything from any of them to really warrent the attention.

voting for yourself on day 1 doesn't raise some eyebrows?

RendeR · 10-23-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

voting for yourself on day 1 doesn't raise some eyebrows?

not in the slightest, since he described exactly what he did, the at that he followed through on his random roll made me laugh, but its NOT a reason to vote him IMHO.

I don't trust him, but I don't have a reason yet to DIStrust him either.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

not in the slightest, since he described exactly what he did, the at that he followed through on his random roll made me laugh, but its NOT a reason to vote him IMHO.

I don't trust him, but I don't have a reason yet to DIStrust him either.

everything about this strikes me as odd.

and it is day 1, you really don't need a good reason to vote someone

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Wow, strange day 1. I'm against revealing AP/votes, but I also think nobody should be using more than 1, especially on day 1. How can anybody possibly feel good about their day 1 vote?

VOTE BARKEEP49

It's not that I feel good. It's that I would feel stupid having some action points left at the end of today.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

UNVOTE HOOPS
VOTE BARKEEP

if he really did commit 5 action points for his vote then he is either a bad guy and perhaps doesn't need action points or he is a villager who isn't very important.

Lathum, the rules make clear that the bad guys need APs as well in the BG example given. I understand the vote, but think you're misguided.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Lathum, the rules make clear that the bad guys need APs as well in the BG example given. I understand the vote, but think you're misguided.

true, but in general the bad guys have a team dynamic in place which means perhaps you can do more with less while eliminating a good player day 1

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

true, but in general the bad guys have a team dynamic in place which means perhaps you can do more with less while eliminating a good player day 1

I think it's interesting that I'm being accused of wasting my votes when I'm simply trying to maximize them.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 06:54 PM

Strike votes and replace that with APs.

st.cronin · 10-23-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

It's not that I feel good. It's that I would feel stupid having some action points left at the end of today.

Really? I would feel far stupider having voted out a villager than having APs left over.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it's interesting that I'm being accused of wasting my votes when I'm simply trying to maximize them.

but why on day 1 when you are voting with the least amount of confidence would you want to maximize them?

And so early in the day to boot?

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Really? I would feel far stupider having voted out a villager than having APs left over.

Because I feel, especially with my voting heavily where others are not, that I am able to combat the D1 advantage the wolves have in coordination of votes.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

but why on day 1 when you are voting with the least amount of confidence would you want to maximize them?

And so early in the day to boot?

I voted early to start discussion. It was not a locked in vote as evidenced by my un-vote. I am, however, evenly divded between putting my vote back there and voting Anxiety.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:04 PM

Alan: Can we get confirmation about whether we learn how many total votes were placed on somebody at the end of the day or simply who died?

Alan T · 10-23-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Alan: Can we get confirmation about whether we learn how many total votes were placed on somebody at the end of the day or simply who died?

You are told whom votes for whom (which can be found in the thread anyways), and who the lynchee is. You do not find out how close it is or how many voting points each person spends or receives.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Because I feel, especially with my voting heavily where others are not, that I am able to combat the D1 advantage the wolves have in coordination of votes.

c'mon, how often do the wolves coordinate day 1 votes?

if anything they spread it out.

Alan T · 10-23-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Can you choose to not do your action, maybe? Although I think the rules did state that you have three points that can be added towards votes or actions.. so that would indicate you could only use up to 4 on a vote.

This is correct. You have 5 total APs each day (unless your role says otherwise). You MUST use 1 AP on a vote for that day or be penalized. You have 1 AP reserved for an action (which is optional and does not have to be performed if you do not choose). The remaining 3 AP can be spent either on strengthening your vote or strengthening your Action, or just left unused.

Anyone who sends in a PM stating a vote of 5 AP will be assumed to be 4 AP on the vote and the 1 AP for the action left unused/wasted. Anyone who votes but does not send in a PM will be assumed to spend 1 AP on the vote and leaving 4 AP unused/wasted.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

c'mon, how often do the wolves coordinate day 1 votes?

if anything they spread it out.

They do it when one of their own is in jeopardy which happens about what one would expect to happen randomly and this is why we've had a non random amount of d1 bad guys being lynched.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 07:21 PM

bah, a wolf gets the axe day 1 the other wolves cut him lose.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

bah, a wolf gets the axe day 1 the other wolves cut him lose.

Really? When's the last game a wolf was killed Day 1? And when did it happen the game before that? I think you're going to have to go far back to find one example and even farther to find a second.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Really? When's the last game a wolf was killed Day 1? And when did it happen the game before that? I think you're going to have to go far back to find one example and even farther to find a second.

whats the point?

the wolves spread their vote out so one of them doesn't get killed, not so that they gang up on someone.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

whats the point?

the wolves spread their vote out so one of them doesn't get killed, not so that they gang up on someone.

That's my point. The wolves coordinate and make sure wolves don't get killed. A super vote combats that.

st.cronin · 10-23-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

That's my point. The wolves coordinate and make sure wolves don't get killed. A super vote combats that.

And, I think Lathum's point is, "not if its on some random person for no real reason."

It would only work if you were voting for a wolf, which you concede you have no confidence that you are.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

And, I think Lathum's point is, "not if its on some random person for no real reason."

It would only work if you were voting for a wolf, which you concede you have no confidence that you are.

I think it creates pressure. Pressure creates results.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

And, I think Lathum's point is, "not if its on some random person for no real reason."

It would only work if you were voting for a wolf, which you concede you have no confidence that you are.

Oh and I do have confidence that you're not voting for a wolf

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

And, I think Lathum's point is, "not if its on some random person for no real reason."

It would only work if you were voting for a wolf, which you concede you have no confidence that you are.

exactly, the only way you could vote so confidently is if you knew someones aligience. And the only way to know that is if you are a wolf.

st.cronin · 10-23-2007, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think it creates pressure. Pressure creates results.

Again, only if you're voting for a wolf. If you're voting for a villager it does the opposite.

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Again, only if you're voting for a wolf. If you're voting for a villager it does the opposite.

More than a single vote? I don't think so.

ArlingtonColt · 10-23-2007, 07:58 PM

anyone have a vote count at this point? It's feeling like a pretty standard random day 1 vote today.

I like Lathum's reasoning behind voting barkeep, but I'm not ready to pin my vote on him just yet.

Lathum · 10-23-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

More than a single vote? I don't think so.

well when you insinuate you are going to use all 5 AP's on it...

Barkeep49 · 10-23-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

well when you insinuate you are going to use all 5 AP's on it...

I'm not insinuating, I'm stating that I am going to use 5 APs. And how does this action lead to less pressure on the wolves if I vote for a villager than if I vote with 1 AP?

PurdueBrad · 10-23-2007, 08:11 PM

Out of lack of other options, I'm going to keep my vote on Neon_Chaos mainly because of the mass reveal thing. I see what Anxiety tried to do and am watching it backfire, so I'll be curious to see if there is a late switch or not.

10-23-2007, 05:24 PM	#212
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Wow, strange day 1. I'm against revealing AP/votes, but I also think nobody should be using more than 1, especially on day 1. How can anybody possibly feel good about their day 1 vote? VOTE BARKEEP49 __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

10-23-2007, 06:02 PM	#217
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I'm really not liking this piling on of anxiety, nor do I like any better the sudden leap onto hoops and barkeep. I haven't seen anything from any of them to really warrent the attention. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

10-23-2007, 04:36 PM	#202
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	That's ok Schmidty. I feel you are being tricked as well. I doubt voting either hoops or Anxiety off will help us any.

10-23-2007, 05:06 PM	#208
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Hey guys, this is only the second game of werewolf I’ve ever played, but doesn’t splitting the vote six ways make it a lot easier for the Titans to manipulate? I might switch this vote later because I don't see much to go on right now, but for now: Vote: Hoopsguy

10-23-2007, 05:08 PM	#210
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	UNVOTE HOOPS VOTE BARKEEP if he really did commit 5 action points for his vote then he is either a bad guy and perhaps doesn't need action points or he is a villager who isn't very important.

10-23-2007, 06:09 PM	#219
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	At this point, with no one promising super-votes in my direction, I'll put out a semi-reasoned vote. I didn't like the vote from Lathum earlier. I thought he was being opportunistic with his vote as a potential pile-on while stating it was to prevent an Anxiety run-away. Other people that I would consider, for various reasons: - Ardent: get the impression he is playing his cards very close to the vest so far. Friend or enemy? - Neon/Barkeep: did not like the idea of mass reveal, felt that these were the two ringleaders VOTE LATHUM (likely to be a single vote if I'm not in self-preservation mode)

10-23-2007, 06:54 PM	#228
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Strike votes and replace that with APs.

10-23-2007, 07:04 PM	#232
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Alan: Can we get confirmation about whether we learn how many total votes were placed on somebody at the end of the day or simply who died?

10-23-2007, 07:21 PM	#237
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	bah, a wolf gets the axe day 1 the other wolves cut him lose.

10-23-2007, 07:58 PM	#247
ArlingtonColt H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: arlington, tx	anyone have a vote count at this point? It's feeling like a pretty standard random day 1 vote today. I like Lathum's reasoning behind voting barkeep, but I'm not ready to pin my vote on him just yet.

10-23-2007, 08:11 PM	#250
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Out of lack of other options, I'm going to keep my vote on Neon_Chaos mainly because of the mass reveal thing. I see what Anxiety tried to do and am watching it backfire, so I'll be curious to see if there is a late switch or not.

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