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I would want more than Hardy, but Hardy is a pretty great player - 6th best SS offensively last season, 4th best defensively according to Fangraphs. Last edited by Ronnie Dobbs3 : 11-19-2013 at 05:14 AM. |
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What is the point of signing Skip Schumaker?
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If he starts at second base for the Reds next season, you might as well pack up the season now.
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Yeah, I guess it was a pretty weak SS crop last season as Hardy's 3.4 WAR did earn him a tie of 6th. The 8th best was Alexei Ramirez (3.1 WAR) and then it got pretty ugly (the 10th was Brandon Crawford and his 2.2 WAR). What worries me is his age (31), injury history and FA status after the season. If they could get a solid prospect with him I might bite, but Miller is such a bargain and a performer. I would think they could find a capable SS in FA. Don't forget, with Carp, Beltran and Westbrook coming off the books - the Cards will have over $30 mil in available payroll.
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2 years at 2.5 mil per? The Reds are paying @18 mil next year for: Ludwick Broxton Hannahan Shumaker Pena Ondrusek
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Schumaker is a clubhouse guy. And he can play all 3 OF spots and 2B. BP gets hurt every year and Schumaker is a nice fill in for a short period of time.
That is a great signing by the Reds.
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His OPS was .665. Your definition of great isn't the same as mine.
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Again, he is a clubhouse guy. That can play defense. He will hit 250 off the bench. Sure, you dont want him playing 150 games. But you need a fill in and you want to spend money other places then on a back up OF AND a back up mid INF, you sign Schumaker for 2.5 mil a year and spend your money elsewhere. Again, maybe I misspoke saying he is a great player. But he is a great signing and a great player for the Reds.
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11-19-2013, 09:27 PM | #213 |
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The bench consists of Shumaker, Hannahan, Heisey, Pena and one to be named later.
No power. No speed. No +defenders. No youth. I've been very happy with Walt, but his obsession with two year contracts for replacement level players is maddening.
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Overall, I wouldn't do Miller for Hardy straight up, but it's basically another Wil Myers for James Shields trade. A wash (or even a "win" for the Cards if Miller was going to come out of the bullpen) in year one-two, and the potential for a huge Orioles win down the road if Miller stays healthy and develops into a top 2-3 starter. |
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Good deal for Detroit. Upgrades 2nd base, at least defensively, and clears a ton of payroll. Perhaps this means Dombrowski will try to re-sign Scherzer now. They also have Miggy to think about after next year.
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I think it's a trade that works for both teams TBH.
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True. I am somewhat surprised that Detroit was able to unload that massive contract though. I am sure there is money included in this deal to help offset Fielder's contract.
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Yeah, I can't see this as anything but a clear win for Detroit unless there is a ton more going back Texas's way. That Fielder contract is going to be terrible sooner rather than later. |
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Dombroksi won Exec of the Year
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Whoa... what a deal! I do think its a win-win, but Texas gets a bit of a better deal on it.
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Detroit can move Miggy back to first base now and can get a decent fielder to play the hot corner. This was a perfect trade for Detroit. Kinsler may not look the best in traditional categories but he puts up a nice OBP and is known as a great baserunner.
He also was injured the early part of last season which I believe zapped his power production for the season. Shoulder injury if I remember correctly. Texas is probably getting a guy that will hit 40 homers in that stadium and needed to find a home for Profar. I cant think of a more perfect trade where both sides accomplished a lot. Last edited by jbergey22 : 11-20-2013 at 10:46 PM. |
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Detroit gives Texas 30 million in cash. Essentially paying Prince 138 million over 7 years. With getting Kinsler and his 64 million off the payroll the financials in this arent as bad as one might think.
With the Rangers in win now mode I am guessing they would have gladly paid a bat of Prince's caliber 138 million over 7 years if he were a Free Agent this year. Not saying they wont regret it in 3-4 years but I doubt they are looking that far ahead. EDIT Actually the monetary value of this trade is pretty fair as well. Kinsler is 31 years old and will be paid 16.5 million per year(including buyout) until he is 35 years old. Prince is 29 years old and will be paid appx 19.8 million per year(what the rangers are paying) until he is 36 years old. If you consider that you are getting the 2 years of Prince playing at closer to peak years I dont think this is really all that unfair at all. Should be one of them rare trades where both teams improve from it the following year. Last edited by jbergey22 : 11-21-2013 at 12:55 AM. |
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To be fair, he did sign Fielder to begin with That said, I have this general impression that Dombrowski is somewhat underrated. But I want to see his transaction and payroll history. He doesn't work in the uber rich area but he's always had a pretty good payroll, especially since Illitch has been wanting to buy a World Series before he dies. SI
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Local radio here in KC reporting that the Royals will have an announcement at 4:00 PM CST. Rumor is that they've signed Carlos Beltran to come back to the Royals.
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4 years for a guy that's past thirty and has a career high year ERA+ of 104. Wow. I hope this turns out to be another stupid Royals decision and not a marker of what new TV money is going to do to contracts going forward.
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Somebody before talked about all the money out there this off-season, but even last season, I felt like pretty much every signing was greeted with the "that's too much money" criticism. But if almost every free agent contract is for too much money, then we probably need to re-evaluate how much "too much" is, and just accept that this is what these guys cost. Unless my perception on that criticism is off.
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I'd say that's fair value in terms of annual payout for Jason Vargas... but why go four years on him?
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I blame DeLoss Dodds.
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I heard Beltran was going to do the coin flip at the next Chiefs game.
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If he had pitched in any playoff game over the last 4 years, he probably would have gotten $12 million/year.
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Breaking news, Red Sox acquire Burke Badenhop from the Brewers. I think this one will eclipse the Fielder/Kinsler deal as the offseason blockbuster.
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Maybe in ESPN coverage
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I meant to bring this up the other day and forgot.
The Angels have hired for two new positions which I will be very curious to see how they work out. They hired Rick Eckstein (David's brother and former hitting coach for the Nats) as their player information coach and Nick Francona (Terry;s son) as their coordinator of MLB intelligence. These are new positions that will devise scouting plans against upcoming teams, among other things. This tells me the organization is leaning more toward Dipoto's way, rather than Scioscia.
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I hate to see Kinsler go, but from all accounts he didn't want to move from 2B to make room for Profar. This also should allow Andrus to move to the lead-off spot. That makes for an interesting top of the order, which likely will be:
Andrus Rios Fielder Adrian Beltre
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Per MLB Trade Rumors, the two teams have been talking about Freese and OF depth. I must admit, though, I was hoping it would not be Bourjos shipped out.
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