The Democrat Party Headquarters Thread (No Repubs Allowed!!) - Page 5

Lathum · 07-22-2008, 01:48 PM

OK, I like the bill as it stands.

I think it is a bad idea for anyone to know who the BG is just in case.

I am fine with all the nominations for pres, etc...

VOTE KWIT AS DEM LEADER

Lathum · 07-22-2008, 01:49 PM

ok, but if it is a seer bill we would want to support that

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, but if it is a seer bill we would want to support that

That's what I think, but as a centrist district of course I'd say that.

It may hurt you locally to support a heavily repub bill (seer bill). However, we do need the bill to pass to fight the wolves. If you picked popular you should be able to absorb the hit (i think, from the rules) but if you are going powerful then you might want to think about your vote and how it will affect your local election. Nobody is any good to us if you aren't reelected

EagleFan · 07-22-2008, 01:51 PM

We should use some or our support power on our presidential nominee, I would guess.

chesapeake · 07-22-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

ok, but if it is a seer bill we would want to support that

We want it to pass, certainly. But as long as Chubby and the GOP members vote for it, it will. You, me and the others on the liberal end of the spectrum should oppose it to make our constituents happy and help our re-election efforts.

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 01:54 PM

Agreed.

chesapeake · 07-22-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

It may hurt you locally to support a heavily repub bill (seer bill). However, we do need the bill to pass to fight the wolves. If you picked popular you should be able to absorb the hit (i think, from the rules) but if you are going powerful then you might want to think about your vote and how it will affect your local election. Nobody is any good to us if you aren't reelected

There is no reason to hurt your own popularity to add your vote to a bill that is already passing. Whether it passes with 10 votes or 18 is academic. For the good of yourself and your party, make sure you get reelected.

This is a case where you can have the cake (a Seer) and eat it (reelection), too.

Welcome to Washington

Lathum · 07-22-2008, 01:59 PM

my head hurts, I see chubby is getting speaker votes. Is that the direction we are going in?

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:00 PM

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

There is no reason to hurt your own popularity to add your vote to a bill that is already passing. Whether it passes with 10 votes or 18 is academic. For the good of yourself and your party, make sure you get reelected.

This is a case where you can have the cake (a Seer) and eat it (reelection), too.

Welcome to Washington

Oh I agree with you.

I'm just saying that it's going to look bad if you vote no on a bill that doesn't pass that us non-wolves need to pass.

Obvioulsy we need to get reelected but we need to get rid of the Wolf Party as well.

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:00 PM

Hope you're okay with that.

Lathum · 07-22-2008, 02:01 PM

so do I need to claim I am not voting for the republican bill or can I just not vote?

Also, does voting for the Dem bill help me with my constituants?

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:02 PM

CR is looking over our bill now to let me know if "the courts" are likely to let it stand. So I'll be able to submit it on the main thread in just a few minutes.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so do I need to claim I am not voting for the republican bill or can I just not vote?

Also, does voting for the Dem bill help me with my constituants?

Since your district is heavily democratic and our bill is putting forth the most dem role possible, yes voting yes for our bill will def help you locally.

not sure on the no vote vs not voting at all...

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

so do I need to claim I am not voting for the republican bill or can I just not vote?

I'd say abstaining or voting 'no' would be good.

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Also, does voting for the Dem bill help me with my constituants?

Yes, I'd say. Definitely.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

CR is looking over our bill now to let me know if "the courts" are likely to let it stand. So I'll be able to submit it on the main thread in just a few minutes.

cool, this may be a good way to test the limits. I wouldn't push it (give him a new bill every 5 mins changing it by 1%) but I def think having the "courts" look a bill over before submitting for vote is a good idea.

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:05 PM

Just got the okay from CR on our bill. He loved the writing of it. So I'll go post it now in the main thread.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:06 PM

so I'm guessing it's myself vs St Cronin for speaker.

As the more centrist of the two I will be going after the repubs centrists to try and get them to switch onto me.

PackerFanatic · 07-22-2008, 02:10 PM

I would be more than happy to represent the party as the Presidential nominee as well.

chesapeake · 07-22-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

so I'm guessing it's myself vs St Cronin for speaker.

As the more centrist of the two I will be going after the repubs centrists to try and get them to switch onto me.

Let them put a lot of votes on the board before making the hard sell on RendeR and jeheinz. Strategically, you want to make it impossible for the GOP to move votes onto one of those two guys to combat your efforts.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:16 PM

well I already made an appeal

If st cronin is leaving then it's not really going to matter.

Plus, as the 2nd most centrist Dem there's only one more centrist republican they can nominate and if they do, he can't run for Prez I don't think.

I would hold off on annoucing PF as our presidential nominee publically for chesapeake's reasons tho.

EagleFan · 07-22-2008, 02:17 PM

We're clearly the more active of teh two parties thus far.

What are we looking to do for laisson?

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM

We just need someone who can think well on his feet and be active a lot during the day.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

We're clearly the more active of teh two parties thus far.

What are we looking to do for laisson?

221-129 post count agrees with you

Oustanding issues:
liasson
support and slurry measures

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:25 PM

Also, we just start throwing around some ideas around about future bills. Let's think out of the box and come up with something creative for tomorrow.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Also, we just start throwing around some ideas around about future bills. Let's think out of the box and come up with something creative for tomorrow.

- Convert a wolf to regular player/double agent
- what was the spawn role where you got 2 votes if someone else (wolf?) voted for you?
- Impervious
- Brothers
- Extend term limits or president
- reelection save (being able to change the outcome of an election

EagleFan · 07-22-2008, 02:37 PM

National Health Care is needed. Someone who has a chance to heal a person who has been attacked by one of those most evil wolves.

Or...

An investigator who has a chance of deciphering the clues left behind the scene of an attack to tell who the guilty party is.

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:37 PM

Here's the Speaker vote so far:

(Let's keep this tally in our thread for now)

Speaker:
st.cronin: Mrs Schmidty (170), st.cronin (235), Purduefan (237), Tyrith (249), illinifan999 (250)
Chubby: chubby (199), chesapeake (226), eaglefan (231), lathum (234), mccollins (242), Packerfanatic (243), KWhit (244),

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:38 PM

are we linking the bill to anyone?

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:38 PM

And here is the bill vote:

NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL (Proposed in post 238)

Yes: KWhit (239), mccollins (242), PackerFan (245), Chubby (246), EagleFan (247), illinifan999 (250), chesapeake (252), Lathum (255)

No:

PackerFanatic · 07-22-2008, 02:39 PM

I would imagine that the Speaker vote is going to end up tied. I would be surprised if someone voted the opposite party at this stage.

As far as future bills, the investigator sounds really interesting.

Lathum · 07-22-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

We just need someone who can think well on his feet and be active a lot during the day.

at the risk of sounding arrogant this sound alot like me. I am basicly couped up in a hotel room doing nothing.

I am hesitant to take roles like this early in games like this for stated reasons.

Is the only thing you communicate with other liasons about is prospective bills?

If so and you guys are ok with me possibly missing something or having to ask lots of questions then I'll throw my hat in the ring.

I am going to the Mariners-Sox game tonight so I won't be around from about 8:00 on EST.

If you guys have reservation that is cool, I will have no hard feelings

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

are we linking the bill to anyone?

yeah. I put it to Path and Packer.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

Here's the Speaker vote so far:

(Let's keep this tally in our thread for now)

Speaker:
st.cronin: Mrs Schmidty (170), st.cronin (235), Purduefan (237), Tyrith (249), illinifan999 (250)
Chubby: chubby (199), chesapeake (226), eaglefan (231), lathum (234), mccollins (242), Packerfanatic (243), KWhit (244),

henry and path are the only outstanding Dem votes.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

yeah. I put it to Path and Packer.

Ok good. I didn't see it mentioned in the general thread but I didn't know if it was something we HAD to post when we posted the bill or not.

PackerFanatic · 07-22-2008, 02:40 PM

I feel that Lathum would be a good liaison. I think you can pretty much discuss anything, but bills and such are important to discuss to convince them to convince their party to agree with us

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

at the risk of sounding arrogant this sound alot like me. I am basicly couped up in a hotel room doing nothing.

I am hesitant to take roles like this early in games like this for stated reasons.

Is the only thing you communicate with other liasons about is prospective bills?

If so and you guys are ok with me possibly missing something or having to ask lots of questions then I'll throw my hat in the ring.

I am going to the Mariners-Sox game tonight so I won't be around from about 8:00 on EST.

If you guys have reservation that is cool, I will have no hard feelings

I think the liasons can talk about anything. I would like for you to post everything you say to him and hear from him into this thread so we're aware of what's going on, but I'd be fine with you doing that if you think you'd be okay with the crazy rule-set.

PackerFanatic · 07-22-2008, 02:41 PM

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The Party Liaison

Each party will have a Party Liaison. The responsibility of this role is to act as the go-between with the other party for when PM communication is needed between the parties, or when bill deals need to be arranged.

The Liaison cannot be the Leader, although should something befall the Liaison within the game), the Leader will take over the role on a temporary basis. As with the Leader, the Liaison may be removed at any point in the game by the Leader and announced by the Leader, and a replacement selected by the party. This role is chosen again every new term, in whatever manner the party sees fit.

The Liaisons will have PM rights with each other. All Liaison PMs must include me, the moderator, and oliegirl (backup moderator). If I find that PM communication between the Liaisons is intentionally done to not include me and oliegirl, those Liaisons will be permanently removed from those roles, and possibly subject to further punishment.

The PM rights are so the Liaisons may carry out their jobs as communicators with the other parties. Otherwise, no "good" faction members will have PM rights with any other members. Wolves, of course, will have PM abilities (detailed later).

Basically our private go-between.

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

I would imagine that the Speaker vote is going to end up tied. I would be surprised if someone voted the opposite party at this stage.

As far as future bills, the investigator sounds really interesting.

As I'm the most centrist, I think we need to play up that fact to try and get one of the GOP centrist people to switch to me otherwise, yes I think it will be a tie down party lines.

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

Ok good. I didn't see it mentioned in the general thread but I didn't know if it was something we HAD to post when we posted the bill or not.

I put it in the wording of the bill itself.

EagleFan · 07-22-2008, 02:42 PM

vote Lathum dem liaisson

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

As I'm the most centrist, I think we need to play up that fact to try and get one of the GOP centrist people to switch to me otherwise, yes I think it will be a tie down party lines.

I bet somebody misses the vote.

mccollins · 07-22-2008, 02:43 PM

Lathum seems like a great choice for liason.

PackerFanatic · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

VOTE LATHUM FOR DEMOCRATIC LIAISON

Serve us proud, good sir!

Chubby · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I bet somebody misses the vote.

That's a good point.

I'm cool with Lathum as liasson if everyone else is too.

vote Lathum Liaison

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

I'd down with lathum.

mccollins · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

dola, looks like there isn't a negative hit in the rules for the liason "working with the GOP" so that's also good.

EagleFan · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

I bet somebody misses the vote.

We need path and henry to get their votes in so we have everything lined up on our side at that point.

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:45 PM

KWhit · 07-22-2008, 02:45 PM

Lathum, looks like you're our liason if you want it.

07-22-2008, 02:00 PM	#209
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Yep.

07-22-2008, 02:10 PM	#219
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I would be more than happy to represent the party as the Presidential nominee as well. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-22-2008, 02:39 PM	#231
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I would imagine that the Speaker vote is going to end up tied. I would be surprised if someone voted the opposite party at this stage. As far as future bills, the investigator sounds really interesting. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-22-2008, 02:40 PM	#236
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I feel that Lathum would be a good liaison. I think you can pretty much discuss anything, but bills and such are important to discuss to convince them to convince their party to agree with us __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-22-2008, 02:44 PM	#244
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	VOTE LATHUM FOR DEMOCRATIC LIAISON Serve us proud, good sir! __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-22-2008, 01:48 PM	#201
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	OK, I like the bill as it stands. I think it is a bad idea for anyone to know who the BG is just in case. I am fine with all the nominations for pres, etc... VOTE KWIT AS DEM LEADER

07-22-2008, 01:49 PM	#202
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, but if it is a seer bill we would want to support that

07-22-2008, 01:51 PM	#204
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	We should use some or our support power on our presidential nominee, I would guess.

07-22-2008, 01:54 PM	#206
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Agreed.

07-22-2008, 01:59 PM	#208
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	my head hurts, I see chubby is getting speaker votes. Is that the direction we are going in?

07-22-2008, 02:00 PM	#211
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Hope you're okay with that.

07-22-2008, 02:01 PM	#212
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so do I need to claim I am not voting for the republican bill or can I just not vote? Also, does voting for the Dem bill help me with my constituants?

07-22-2008, 02:02 PM	#213
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	CR is looking over our bill now to let me know if "the courts" are likely to let it stand. So I'll be able to submit it on the main thread in just a few minutes.

07-22-2008, 02:05 PM	#217
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Just got the okay from CR on our bill. He loved the writing of it. So I'll go post it now in the main thread.

07-22-2008, 02:06 PM	#218
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	so I'm guessing it's myself vs St Cronin for speaker. As the more centrist of the two I will be going after the repubs centrists to try and get them to switch onto me.

07-22-2008, 02:16 PM	#221
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	well I already made an appeal If st cronin is leaving then it's not really going to matter. Plus, as the 2nd most centrist Dem there's only one more centrist republican they can nominate and if they do, he can't run for Prez I don't think. I would hold off on annoucing PF as our presidential nominee publically for chesapeake's reasons tho.

07-22-2008, 02:17 PM	#222
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	We're clearly the more active of teh two parties thus far. What are we looking to do for laisson?

07-22-2008, 02:18 PM	#223
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	We just need someone who can think well on his feet and be active a lot during the day.

07-22-2008, 02:25 PM	#225
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Also, we just start throwing around some ideas around about future bills. Let's think out of the box and come up with something creative for tomorrow.

07-22-2008, 02:37 PM	#227
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	National Health Care is needed. Someone who has a chance to heal a person who has been attacked by one of those most evil wolves. Or... An investigator who has a chance of deciphering the clues left behind the scene of an attack to tell who the guilty party is.

07-22-2008, 02:37 PM	#228
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Here's the Speaker vote so far: (Let's keep this tally in our thread for now) Speaker: st.cronin: Mrs Schmidty (170), st.cronin (235), Purduefan (237), Tyrith (249), illinifan999 (250) Chubby: chubby (199), chesapeake (226), eaglefan (231), lathum (234), mccollins (242), Packerfanatic (243), KWhit (244),

07-22-2008, 02:38 PM	#229
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	are we linking the bill to anyone?

07-22-2008, 02:38 PM	#230
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And here is the bill vote: NATIONAL WOLF SECURITY BILL (Proposed in post 238) Yes: KWhit (239), mccollins (242), PackerFan (245), Chubby (246), EagleFan (247), illinifan999 (250), chesapeake (252), Lathum (255) No:

07-22-2008, 02:42 PM	#241
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	vote Lathum dem liaisson

07-22-2008, 02:43 PM	#243
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Lathum seems like a great choice for liason.

07-22-2008, 02:44 PM	#246
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	I'd down with lathum.

07-22-2008, 02:44 PM	#247
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	dola, looks like there isn't a negative hit in the rules for the liason "working with the GOP" so that's also good.

07-22-2008, 02:45 PM	#249
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Yep.

07-22-2008, 02:45 PM	#250
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Lathum, looks like you're our liason if you want it.

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