The Office Season 4

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Considering I've already started to get a little bored of their relationship, yeah, I'd say it'd be boring if it was happily ever after .

I guess we're looking at this from completely opposite perspectives then. I'd probably stop watching if they went the standard route of will they/won't they tension. They could just hire some writers away from Two and a Half Men to do that.

[ISiddiqui]

There doesn't need to be a will they, won't they. But just some regular relationship tension. Right now they seem like perfect couple Jim and Pam. Haven't even seemed to have any fights even.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

There doesn't need to be a will they, won't they. But just some regular relationship tension. Right now they seem like perfect couple Jim and Pam. Haven't even seemed to have any fights even.

Right, but they can have tension without her declining his proposal. That action would lead us right back to will they/won't they. I think we've seen some glimpses of their career aspirations and i think some tension will evolve from that. I agree with you that small moment tension like that would be good. But you seem to be asking for big moment tension, which I think would be stupid.

[ISiddiqui]

Well, she could easily say, its too soon for that... and Jim grumbles and puts the ring back, but they continue dating.

[Dr. Sak]

Hey Oscar Meyer Weiner...lover...

That quote cracked me up!

[Comey]

What an incredible, and incredibly messed up, episode.

[MikeVic]

That was a good ep. I don't think Michael Scott was as stupid in that one, or if he was, then I was successfully distracted by other stuff.

[ISiddiqui]

That was awesome. When Toby lingered his hand on Pam's knee and then said he was moving to Costa Rica and jumped the fence, I was just DYING!

And Dwight "I'm not going to call". Nice. Michael's telling the woman he was a bank teller, because Ryan told him to tell girls he works in finance had me on the floor.

[ISiddiqui]

Dola

I also liked that in this one Jim totally screwed up. He usually is Mr. Perfect and in this one he couldn't do anything right... well, partly because Dwight had both keys ("When I die, you'll be dead 2 weeks beforehand", LOL)

[Swaggs]

Another good episode tonight. I love the episodes that have a lot of Andy in them -- I think they could get a little more mileage out of him.

Looks like the arc is going to be that Jim's life isn't going to keep running smoothly, since he's had two rough episodes in a row now.

[Crapshoot]

Eh, I thought tonight was just... bad.

[larrymcg421]

I thought it was very good. A little more dramatic than usual, but stayed in tune with the characters. Couple of interesting things...

*Pam responds to Jim's fake proposal by saying, "If you propose to me in Michael's meeting, I will say no." To me, this implies she's planning on saying yes.

*It is well documented on camera that both Ryan and Toby sexually harassed Pam. Ryan can threaten Jim all he wants, but there's no way he's getting fired with that out there, and David Wallace wouldn't approve it anyways.

[ISiddiqui]

I enjoyed last night's episode as well. Michael, actually, well after the crying handled his employee very well (that's fine that you don't respect me, but you can't say that to me in front of everyone).

Dwight pushing the hard sell on Andy and then reselling for a higher price was just hilarious (and did Angela actually smile a bit when Dwight pulled that off?). And then Dwight tried the hard sell with Michael ("the Emergency Plan", LOLOL!!!) and it didn't work at all. Ah, Dwight.

Though, however unrealistic, I would have given anything to see Michael try to tickle Stanley.

[Raiders Army]

Do it. 3-2-1....5, 4, 3, 2, do it. Sell me the car. Do it. Do it.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

I enjoyed last night's episode as well. Michael, actually, well after the crying handled his employee very well (that's fine that you don't respect me, but you can't say that to me in front of everyone).

The funny thing about that is that Stanley agreed to fake respect Michael, which was what he was doing before this episode.

[MikeVic]

DID I STUTTER!?

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Raiders Army

The funny thing about that is that Stanley agreed to fake respect Michael, which was what he was doing before this episode.

I don't think it was a fake respect... but more of a "you can't call me out in front of everyone" anymore. In the very end (when he tells everyone except Phyllis out of the room), Stanley is still doing a crossword. He's just not yelling at Michael when called on.

[Raiders Army]

Ah, but he said something to the effect of "that sounds like your best idea yet".

[Andiamo]

I loved:

Dwight: And... go. [Michael sticks his face in the cement] Force it in as deep as you can.
Michael: [muffled] That's what she said.

[TazFTW]

He is soooo annoying.

I hope that wasn't a hint that the spinoff involves Pam.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by TazFTW

He is soooo annoying.

I hope that wasn't a hint that the spinoff involves Pam.

It won't. One person is leaving at the end of the season, so they are trying to make it look like it could be anyone by giving them all reasons. It will not be Jim, Pam or Micheal, but it could be just about anyone else (though Dwight is unlikely, he would be a spin-off canidate).

This was not one of the better episodes at all, but still decent.

[Butter]

-I would never say this to her face, but Pam is a great artist and a wonderful person.
-Wait, why wouldn't you say that to her face?

[Dr. Sak]

I loved it when Andy flipped the cart into the sand trap.

[ISiddiqui]

Wasn't fond of this episode. Michael as buffoon ones really work when he goes WAAAY overboard, and taking the mic wasn't it.

But yeah, the "why wouldn't you say that to her face" was hilarious. And "kiss her good"... whoa, creepy.

[Subby]

Andy was on fire in this episode.

[Raiders Army]

"The people I didn't bring along are much better."

[Raiders Army]

Oh, and Creed: "I was finished with my work months ago."

[Raiders Army]

Double dola, Office trivia game on nbc.com: http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/justforfun/trivia.shtml

I played single player and the first time got 14/20.

[Doug5984]

Damn that was tough, got a 16, but there were a couple blind lucky guesses

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

And "kiss her good"... whoa, creepy.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It won't. One person is leaving at the end of the season, so they are trying to make it look like it could be anyone by giving them all reasons. It will not be Jim, Pam or Micheal, but it could be just about anyone else (though Dwight is unlikely, he would be a spin-off canidate).

This was not one of the better episodes at all, but still decent.

I think creating a spin-off with any of the main characters would be a real bad idea. I still think there is a chance it'll be Jim considering his career as an actor has taken off and he may not want to be playing the supporting actor for too long. I hope not and believe that removing Jim, Pam, Michael, or Dwight would hurt the show.

My guess is that it'll be Andy, although they haven't led on about this at all. I'd also love to see Creed in a more prominent role in a spin-off (he is my favorite character). I'm just hoping they don't pluck someone big from the cast as they really work together well. But from a TV perspective, they have to figure this show has maybe 1 or 2 years left in it. The storylines are starting to get dull and many of the main actors are getting bigger and bigger in the movie industry.

Which leads to a longshot that they'd remove Jim and Pam (or just Jim) for a new show. Their storyline is complete now and there isn't anywhere else to go. Taking both out of the show and bringing in new blood (I think Amy Ryan is joining the cast) might liven up the show a bit without pissing off all the people who feel invested in the Jim/Pam stuff. I still think removing big names like that is bad, and the Jim/Dwight banter is one of my favorite parts of the show, but NBC is retarded and will probably do it.

[cody8200]

I played single player and the first time got 14/20. Very tough indeed.

[larrymcg421]

It's not going to be one of the major characters in the spinoff. If they bring any character over, it would be Andy. He's the funniest/most notable character that they could lose without much problem.

Jim/Pam? No way, they would lose about half of their demographic if they did that. The ratings would sink faster than Phyllis' friend in a rowboat.

[dervack]

Not sure if this is actually the answer to the spinoff, however I just saw the title for the episode somewhere...

Spoiler

Goodbye, Toby.

[MikeVic]

I really don't want a spin-off to get started. I think the current cast is great together, and even though I don't like the show as much as I used to, I don't want to see anyone gone. Maybe Michael.

[Raiders Army]

Originally Posted by dervack

Not sure if this is actually the answer to the spinoff, however I just saw the title for the episode somewhere...

Spoiler

Goodbye, Toby.

Spoiler

Toby doesn't have the chops nor the star power to do a spinoff. Then again, nobody thought Enos from the Dukes of Hazzard would get his own show. Anyhow, maybe Toby spins off into another show and he isn't the main character...could that be a possibility?

The season finale is a goodbye party for Toby and Angela quits the Party Planning Committee.

[OldGiants]

Originally Posted by MikeVic

I really don't want a spin-off to get started. I think the current cast is great together, and even though I don't like the show as much as I used to, I don't want to see anyone gone. Maybe Michael.

On the other hand, one from Toby, Andy, Kevin et al. could be the next Gomer Pyle, USMC.

One never knows with network TV.

[Passacaglia]

I think Ryan would make a good choice.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think Ryan would make a good choice.

Surprised that Ryan hadn't been brought up yet.

He is certainly expendable and has already made his exit. And, just my opinion, but I think he brings very little to the show. I never really understood/understand why he was/is a featured castmember.

[Dr. Sak]

Swaggs has a man crush on Ryan.

[Draft Dodger]

Ryan, Kelly and Toby are all regular producers / writers on the show, not that that necessarily precludes any of them from moving to a spinoff.

personally, the only character beyond the main 4 (Michael, Dwight, Jim, Pam) that I can picture in a larger role would be Andy.

[larrymcg421]

Wasn't sure if anyone else had mentioned this here, but Mike Schur (writer, producer, Cousin Mose) is Ken Tremendous from the Fire Joe Morgan blog.

[Philliesfan980]

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[Comey]

In what way? I rather really, really enjoyed that episode. It was the first time in a very long time I was actually on the edge of my seat, for almost the entire show.

I thought it was absolutely superb.

[Philliesfan980]

edit for spoiler

[Comey]

The one thing that the writers have proven with this show, as far as we've seen so far, is that they know the line between "right amount of JAM" and "too much PBJ".

I have faith that they'll be able to keep that going, especially since now, they each have new stories to have play out.

Also, just a heads up...we probably shouldn't be talking about any specifics of the show until the west coast people get to see it (ie the stuff about Pam and an artsy guy). I know I'd have been *pissed* if I was spoiled tonight, no matter how little or ambiguous the comment. That's how much I was looking forward to this show.

[Raiders Army]

Spoiler

Can't find that video on youtube.

[Raiders Army]

It was a good episode and it started at the beginning. The part before the opening credits harkened back to season 1 or 2 with Jim messing with Dwight.

[larrymcg421]

Spoiler

The Jim/Pam resolution was stupid. If they want to stretch it out longer before the engagement, that's fine, but they used a stupid sitcom contrivance to do it. This was something out a shit show like Two and a Half Men and not worthy of the superior writing we usually get from The Office. Very disappointing.

[Raiders Army]

I won't rehash the whole spoiler argument, but why would you pop in the thread if you haven't seen it yet? So you can post speculation?

Anyhow: "Mr. Andrew Bernard...has a nice ring to it."